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We see his tomb on Korriban with a big statue with Sith cheek fins. The rumors indicate he was the first 'Darth' Sith Lord from Jedi vs. Sith as well.

And 'surprised' and murdered by?' No. Well aware they're turning on you while you do nothing more constructive than yell at them with your back to the wall and a scratch on your arm? Which implies they've already attacked and your one recourse is to...flee to the wall and yell at them? And again, the miserable failures on three planets? The whole 'can't erect a force bubble to protect myself from toxic gas?' We see Memit Nadill engaging in single combat with the ranking Sith Lord on Coruscant...next we see Memit, said ranking Sith Lord is gone and Memit isn't even scratched...the entirety of all these Sith attacking the Galactic Capital and they cannot even succeed in INJURING Four Jedi?

And nobody has ever held the Jedi Council in the PT in NEARLY the same esteem as they do the Ancient Sith.

And the men with guns had the benefit of being alone in front of dozens to hundreds of these guys, shot in the back when they couldn't perceive the Clones' intentions via the Force and generally were isolated. Horak Muul was only attacked by TWO Massassi, too. Even then, quite a few Jedi managed to put up some semblance of a fight...More than the ultra powerful, ultra cautious, treacherous and violent Ancient Sith did.

So is it speculated that andeddu was the first darth?

Originally posted by LS
And the men with guns had the benefit of being alone in front of dozens to hundreds of these guys, shot in the back when they couldn't perceive the Clones' intentions via the Force and generally were isolated.

If the clone troopers had shot as poorly as the storm troopers did when attempting to stop Han from taking off of Tatooine in A New Hope, Order 66 would have failed epically.

Order 66 was deliberately designed so that the Jedi could not sense the murderous intent of the clones through the Force. When they were alerted, they owned hard. Hell, that one brat (Zett Jusakka [sp?]) butchered nearly a squad of stormtroopers singlehandedly.

Originally posted by LS
We see Memit Nadill engaging in single combat with the ranking Sith Lord on Coruscant...next we see Memit, said ranking Sith Lord is gone and Memit isn't even scratched...

Memit is one bad dude. He's depicted at one point moving so fast that it looks as though he's wielding 5 lightsabers, when in actuality he's only using one. Both Memit and Odan-Urr were legendary Jedi. Odan for more knowledge-based studies, and Memit as the warrior. Don't hate. 😉

I'll have an assessment of Naga up tonight hopefully. Putting it together as we speak, barring no interuptions.

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Originally posted by Enyalus

Memit is one bad dude. He's depicted at one point moving so fast that it looks as though he's wielding 5 lightsabers, when in actuality he's only using one. Both Memit and Odan-Urr were legendary Jedi. Odan for more knowledge-based studies, and Memit as the warrior. Don't hate. 😉

I'll have an assessment of Naga up tonight hopefully. Putting it together as we speak, barring no interuptions. [/B]

And ODan is 'legendary' only in founding a big library. His other 'legendary' status is being a worthless failure in anything that mattered.

~~~~~Naga Sadow's Assessment~~~~~

Raw Power: This is a bit tricky to gage. In my estimation, he is the second most powerful of the Ancient Sith – behind Marka Ragnos. The Ancient Sith used amulets, Sith Swords, and other items to increase their power – as well as doing Sith experiments on themselves to alter their physical and Force strength. So, that makes it difficult. However, On Ziost at a council of the Sith Lords, (they are voting on a new Dark Lord of the Sith), one Sith Lord pronounces: “The strongest of the Sith Lords. The bloodline is strong in Naga Sadow.” Quite the ringing endorsement, and about the best power estimate we can get on that front.

Force Mastery: Naga Sadow certainly excels in this department, although again – we don't get to see a whole lot of it directly. He was an extraordinarily gifted Sith Sorcerer. He was able to use Sith alchemy and sorcery to alter numerous races and bend them to his will, even creating the Sith wyrm through his experiments. His knowledge was great enough to turn Freedon Nadd into a powerful Sith Lord; allow Aleema and Satal Keto to found the powerful Krath secret society using Sadow's Sith Sorcery teachings; and turn Exar Kun from an Anakin Skywalker-like saber master into a powerful Dark Lord of the Sith with incredible knowledge and mastery of Sith alchemy and sorcery. Naga Sadow's ship – powered by a Sith crystal probably designed by Sadow himself – was powerful enough to use the Force to rip the cores from stars.

Naga comments on the Old Republic's blaster technology: his thoughts? “Not very impressive.” Implying the Sith had access to more advanced stuff. Or at least, Sadow himself did. During their battle, he doesn't throw a brick at Ludo Kressh, he rips three out of the tomb wall to slam into Ludo. That takes a lot of precision and control. Clearly, he doesn't want to damage or destroy the temples. He is capable of using Force Drain. His amulets – we all know – are incredibly powerful. They amplify the wielder's rage a hundred thousand fold (no, I didn't make a mistake there), and “with every pulse of anger, the amulet doubles the power of its discharge.” Capable of vaporizing several Massassi warriors at once and destroying stone walls easily, as well as blowing massive holes through the Sith wyrm. He's a master of Sith illusions, and might have actually taken Coruscant had Gav Daragon not betrayed him. Over the skies of the capital city, one spectator cries out, “It's an incredible fleet! Tens of thousands of ships!” Naga himself says that:
“Here in my meditation chamber I can see the galaxy in my mind's eye. I can visualize vast armies, powerful fleets, invincible warriors. And with my Sith arts, my imagination can make them real!”

Combat Ability: Here's where it gets really tricky. We only actually see him fight one opponent ever. Sadow's Sith Sword glowed when he struck it to the ground. He says, “I call upon the power of the Sith, the power of my Jedi blood, the power of the Dark Side!” It answered the call. For those of you not very familiar with Sith Swords:

”The alterations [of the Sith Sword] allow the blade to deflect blaster bolts and lightsabers, just as lightsabers themselves do. The blade also focuses the Force energy of the user, giving an unnatural sharpness. As the wielder grows more proficient in the power of the Dark Side, the blade becomes more deadly...Sith Swords are effective against lightsabers because of the way their alchemically altered metal refracts the lightsaber's energy.”

They do weigh much more than your typical lightsaber, though (2 kg for a saber, 6.5 kg for a Sith Sword), which would make them slower. This taken into account, his Sith Sword is seen as four blades at one point, while Ludo's is depicted as two, indicating that Naga Sadow was pretty fast. Before the battle ends, Ludo is the one bleeding and Naga has his sword extended directly out, while Ludo's is down and looking worried. Then, Ragnos interrupts. Added to his saber abilities are his tremendously overpowered amulets, his talisman, and lightsaber resistant armor which also increases his physical strength. It is safe to say that his combat abilities are certainly dangerous to just about anyone in the mythos.

Conclusion: Here's where it gets fun. I think Naga is definitely top tier. Not on his own, no. But with all of his equipment and whatnot? Definitely. And its wrong to hold it against him for using his equipment. It'd be like Batman without his belt, or Ironman without the suit. Naga, presumably, made all of his equipment. He even gives a Sith amulet to Gav Daragon, who was essentially expendable. If he hadn't made them himself, I don't see why he would be so generous with them. The Sith Council calls him 'the strongest of the Sith Lords' and acknowledges the power in his bloodline. Ludo fears him and his proficiency with Sith alchemy, saying so at several points:

“Your rebellious actions and experiments are a threat to us all.”
“Stepping in dangerous waters, unleashing powers you do not understand.”

Sadow, personality-wise, seems like the Sith we're used to seeing. Arrogant, devious, powerful, brilliant. He's clever enough to stage an attack on Ziost and frame the Old Republic for it, getting himself declared Dark Lord of the Sith in the process. He lures Ludo, his archrival, into attacking a useless base and then counterattacks with his own massive fleet. He uses his Massassi warriors to slay numerous Sith Lords, and personally kills Lord Simus – the wisest Sith Lord and personal teacher and mentor of Naga. Then he summons up the largest fleet the Sith empire had even assembled, faster than 'any force in the history of the galaxy.' His attacks on the New Republic would have been successful, despite being vastly outnumbered – if his meditation sphere hadn't been struck by laser-fire from Gav and disabled. Nonetheless he manages to escape, destroying large numbers of Empress Teta's fleet as well as Ludo Kressh's, before staging his death and living out the rest of his days on Yavin.

He seems to not be nearly as frightened of Marka Ragnos as other Sith Lords are (which either indicates a higher level of common sense or a higher level of power). When confronted by Ragnos himself on Korriban (as a ghost), he's actually blatantly rude:

“What is so important that you could not leave us in peace to resolve our own differences?”

After Ragnos commands Ludo Kressh and Naga Sadow to make peace (an offer which Ludo is eager to do), Naga rejects this notion outright: “It requires more than the pronouncement of a ghost for me to forget my sworn enemy, Ludo Kressh.” So, yes, Sadow is definitely a badass. Plus, he is definitely the coolest looking Ancient Sith (and he's bald!). Combine this with his powerful amulets, strong Sith Sword, stronger magic, and impressive knowledge of “ancient” (even by the Ancient's standards) Sith knowledge – I would say that Naga Sadow is definitely a top tier combatant and Force user, capable of beating nearly anyone if he were to fight smart...which is a given, seeing how cerebral he is.

Good thing you specified. There are plenty of other highly intelligent Force users out there, Enyalus.

Offhand - Sidious, Ragnos, Traya, Revan, Exar Kun, and Caedus come to mind.

Not many LS users come to mind, though. Obi-Wan. Heh.

Originally posted by Gideon
In a manner of speaking; Crimzon is merely an extention of my omnipotent will.

I am my own, independent person, and I am the absolute ruler of my private, secluded realm. I'm the extention of no one's will. My own way of assessing characters is still used by Enyalus, proving that he is subconsciously under my dominance. Even if he doesn't know that.

And I'm really sorry I hadn't posted before. Admittedly, I totally forgot about this thread.

In any case, I really, really want to do an assessment on Bane. Can I? Pretty please?

Edit: Since we're dealing with the Ancient Sith at the moment, I'll make a short assessment of how I see them as a group, not as individuals. Note; my assessment is based off of speculation and logical deductions more than actual quotes. I figured we needed a new angle.

Here we go. The Ancient Sith were, as far as we know, the first large and dominant organization of Sith Lords, which already asserts their extreme importance to the mythos. But that's somewhat irrelevant, all things considered, as this is a power-estimation thread.

My belief is that the Ancient Sith, as a group, weren't incredibly powerful force users on an individual level. HOWEVER, it is worth knowing that the vast majority of prominent force user's knowledge- such as Revan's- should come from the Ancient Sith, it's more than plausible that their level of force mastery, or, at least, force knowledge, is top-notch. Considering that they were the first large organization of Sith Lords (does any one wish to correct me?), it's likely that they were the first ones to embody the dark side in the way we know it, namely the Drain, Choke, and Lightning abilities we all know. Therefore, it's worthy to note that their contribution to the actual dark side is perhaps the biggest out of anybody. Revan took the Ancient Sith's knowledge, added his own, Bane took that, Sidious took that- but it's all traced back to the Ancient Sith.

On another note, while I can't be convinced that they were top-tier force users (except for maybe Ragnos) regularly, they were EXTREMELY talented alchemists and technological geniuses. Clearly, they managed to add their somewhat limited power with such overpowered artifacts like the Amulets, which form arguably one of the most destructive personal-level force abilities in the mythos. Their saber abilities? Unknown at best. They used swords; I doubt they would handle themselves well with sabers, considering it's an entirely different fighting style. Any decent, fast user of lightsaber combat should school your typical Ancient Sith in saber combat, but that's disregarding the amulets and such.

Conclusion? They're technological 'wizes', they're the fundamental source of dark side knowledge for the mythos.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
I am my own, independent person, and I am the absolute ruler of my private, secluded realm. I'm the extention of no one's will. My own way of assessing characters is still used by Enyalus, proving that he is subconsciously under my dominance. Even if he doesn't know that.

I didn't know we were citing sources for evaluations of power. But yes, I used yours as a template. I'll openly admit it. 😉

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Considering that they were the first large organization of Sith Lords (does any one wish to correct me?), it's likely that they were the first ones to embody the dark side in the way we know it, namely the Drain, Choke, and Lightning abilities we all know. Therefore, it's worthy to note that their contribution to the actual dark side is perhaps the biggest out of anybody.

Small correction here - technically, yes, they were the first 'Sith Lords' in the way we think of them. Prior to the Jedi Exiles invading, though, the Sith species had one Dark Lord to command them, and was given the title of Sith'ari. The Jedi Exiles were so powerful that even to the Sith and their crude magic, they were worshipped as gods among the Sith people and interbred with them. The Exiles were the first ones to use the Dark Side of the Force in a way we'd recognize, and they - by all accounts - were more powerful than the Ancient Sith themselves (due to interbreeding watering down the Jedi bloodlines with Sith slaves). They also had techniques and used magic that was powerful enough to be forgotten or forbidden - considered "ancient" - even during the time of the Sith Empire.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Their saber abilities? Unknown at best. They used swords; I doubt they would handle themselves well with sabers, considering it's an entirely different fighting style. Any decent, fast user of lightsaber combat should school your typical Ancient Sith in saber combat, but that's disregarding the amulets and such.

Because they didn't use sabers, they probably weren't limited by the typical seven lightsaber forms the Jedi knew and practiced, and thus if ever they were to fight a Jedi, their unfamiliar style coupled with the unique metallic properties of their blade should give a Jedi fits. I think top tier Ancient Sith would be able to compete bladewise with most Jedi Knights, Kaan's Brotherhood, and the like.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I didn't know we were citing sources for evaluations of power. But yes, I used yours as a template. I'll openly admit it. 😉

Good, Enyalus. Goooood. I have powers beyond your very imagination, Enyalus. Embrace the Crim Side, and you will achieve a power unknown to mankind as of yet.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Small correction here - technically, yes, they were the first 'Sith Lords' in the way we think of them. Prior to the Jedi Exiles invading, though, the Sith species had one Dark Lord to command them, and was given the title of Sith'ari. The Jedi Exiles were so powerful that even to the Sith and their crude magic, they were worshipped as gods among the Sith people and interbred with them. The Exiles were the first ones to use the Dark Side of the Force in a way we'd recognize, and they - by all accounts - were more powerful than the Ancient Sith themselves (due to interbreeding watering down the Jedi bloodlines with Sith slaves). They also had techniques and used magic that was powerful enough to be forgotten or forbidden - considered "ancient" - even during the time of the Sith Empire.

Damn the technicalities. Well, they were the first 'real' Sith, anyway. Just like my template is your template, the Ancient Sith are the template of all following Sith Lords- they're the base, and therefore, the most important (albeit arguably the weakest, outside of technology) to the 'Dark Side Evolution'.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Because they didn't use sabers, they probably weren't limited by the typical seven lightsaber forms the Jedi knew and practiced, and thus if ever they were to fight a Jedi, their unfamiliar style coupled with the unique metallic properties of their blade should give a Jedi fits. I think top tier Ancient Sith would be able to compete bladewise with most Jedi Knights, Kaan's Brotherhood, and the like.

Right. The seven forms aren't 'limitations'; they're extremely well-developed styles that the Ancient Sith don't have the slightest knowledge of. Add that to a weapon they don't have any experience fighting, and I really have my doubts about them being able to compete with the likes of Windu, Kenobi, or even Fisto.

The lightsaber, blade to blade, is inferior to a Sith Sword. Lightsabers do not amplify and focus one's Dark Side power, lightsabers do not naturally attract and absorb Force Lightning, lightsabers do not increase in strength and lethality as the power of the user increases, lightsabers do not screw up and mess with the ions in a Sith Sword when coming into contact with them....

Sith Swords do all of the above that I've mentioned. Yes, they are three times heavier - but the Ancient Sith seem to be very physically strong and were proven to have the ability to alter their body's properties (like strength) with their alchemy.

So, I don't see the big advantage lightsabers have over Sith Swords. Unless you take a ridiculously fast lightsaber user such as Mace, Yoda, or Sidious into account. On average, I would say a Sith Sword is superior in a duel.

Originally posted by Enyalus
The lightsaber, blade to blade, is inferior to a Sith Sword. Lightsabers do not amplify and focus one's Dark Side power, lightsabers do not naturally attract and absorb Force Lightning, lightsabers do not increase in strength and lethality as the power of the user increases, lightsabers do not screw up and mess with the ions in a Sith Sword when coming into contact with them....

Sith Swords do all of the above that I've mentioned. Yes, they are three times heavier - but the Ancient Sith seem to be very physically strong and were proven to have the ability to alter their body's properties (like strength) with their alchemy.

So, I don't see the big advantage lightsabers have over Sith Swords. Unless you take a ridiculously fast lightsaber user such as Mace, Yoda, or Sidious into account. On average, I would say a Sith Sword is superior in a duel.

No. The simple fact is, a lightsaber is a far more flexible and fast weapon than a Sith Sword- that > anything the Sith Sword has to offer. The blade is utterly a weightless; a heavy or a regular-weight sword cannot compete with a weapon that takes absolutely no strength to use. It's cutting power is also a LOT higher, simply because a beam composed of a gazillion degrees that can burn through virtually anything that isn't composed of energy is superior to a Sith Sword, that may be able to cut through tough materials, but with considerably more effort and limitation.

Also, the Jedi's knowledge of the saber is far more developed than what we know of the Ancient Sith's actual skill.

but if s sith sword is wielded by someone as strong as a sith(species) orany other strong race like a stenax they will be able to put their weight into the swings of the sith sword, something you can't do very well if at all with a lightsaber.

it's the same difference as taking a swing at somebody with a stick vs taking a swing at someone with a metal pipe.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
No. The simple fact is, a lightsaber is a far more flexible and fast weapon than a Sith Sword- that > anything the Sith Sword has to offer. The blade is utterly a weightless; a heavy or a regular-weight sword cannot compete with a weapon that takes absolutely no strength to use. It's cutting power is also a LOT higher, simply because a beam composed of a gazillion degrees that can burn through virtually anything that isn't composed of energy is superior to a Sith Sword, that may be able to cut through tough materials, but with considerably more effort and limitation.

Also, the Jedi's knowledge of the saber is far more developed than what we know of the Ancient Sith's actual skill.

I've already posted the weights, Crimzon. A normal sized, single bladed lightsaber weighs 2 kg. A Sith Sword weighs 6.5. Factor in the superior strength which the Sith race in general has when compared to most humans, plus their ability to agument themselves, and that weight difference is probably negligible. Naga Sadow was depicted moving so fast it looked as though he were wielding four blades at once.

Besides that, we're comparing combat applications. Sith swords are capable of cutting through anything a Jedi would be wearing - and it tends to distort a lightsaber blade when impacted, due to the alchemic properties in the metal. So no, Jedi to Ancient Sith combat wise it wouldn't be an advantage.

Furthermore, just because the Ancient Sith's sword styles are unknown, doesn't mean we can assume that they didn't even have any.

Originally posted by Enyalus
[b]~~~~~Naga Sadow's Assessment~~~~~

Raw Power: This is a bit tricky to gage. In my estimation, he is the second most powerful of the Ancient Sith – behind Marka Ragnos. The Ancient Sith used amulets, Sith Swords, and other items to increase their power – as well as doing Sith experiments on themselves to alter their physical and Force strength. So, that makes it difficult. However, On Ziost at a council of the Sith Lords, (they are voting on a new Dark Lord of the Sith), one Sith Lord pronounces: “The strongest of the Sith Lords. The bloodline is strong in Naga Sadow.” Quite the ringing endorsement, and about the best power estimate we can get on that front.

Force Mastery: Naga Sadow certainly excels in this department, although again – we don't get to see a whole lot of it directly. He was an extraordinarily gifted Sith Sorcerer. He was able to use Sith alchemy and sorcery to alter numerous races and bend them to his will, even creating the Sith wyrm through his experiments. His knowledge was great enough to turn Freedon Nadd into a powerful Sith Lord; allow Aleema and Satal Keto to found the powerful Krath secret society using Sadow's Sith Sorcery teachings; and turn Exar Kun from an Anakin Skywalker-like saber master into a powerful Dark Lord of the Sith with incredible knowledge and mastery of Sith alchemy and sorcery. Naga Sadow's ship – powered by a Sith crystal probably designed by Sadow himself – was powerful enough to use the Force to rip the cores from stars.

Naga comments on the Old Republic's blaster technology: his thoughts? “Not very impressive.” Implying the Sith had access to more advanced stuff. Or at least, Sadow himself did.

During their battle, he doesn't throw a brick at Ludo Kressh, he rips three out of the tomb wall to slam into Ludo. That takes a lot of precision and control.

Clearly, he doesn't want to damage or destroy the temples. He is capable of using Force Drain.

His amulets – we all know – are incredibly powerful. They amplify the wielder's rage a hundred thousand fold (no, I didn't make a mistake there), and “with every pulse of anger, the amulet doubles the power of its discharge.” Capable of vaporizing several Massassi warriors at once and destroying stone walls easily, as well as blowing massive holes through the Sith wyrm. He's a master of Sith illusions, and might have actually taken Coruscant had Gav Daragon not betrayed him. Over the skies of the capital city, one spectator cries out, “It's an incredible fleet! Tens of thousands of ships!” Naga himself says that:
“Here in my meditation chamber I can see the galaxy in my mind's eye. I can visualize vast armies, powerful fleets, invincible warriors. And with my Sith arts, my imagination can make them real!”

Combat Ability: Here's where it gets really tricky. We only actually see him fight one opponent ever. Sadow's Sith Sword glowed when he struck it to the ground. He says, “I call upon the power of the Sith, the power of my Jedi blood, the power of the Dark Side!” It answered the call. For those of you not very familiar with Sith Swords:

”The alterations [of the Sith Sword] allow the blade to deflect blaster bolts and lightsabers, just as lightsabers themselves do. The blade also focuses the Force energy of the user, giving an unnatural sharpness. As the wielder grows more proficient in the power of the Dark Side, the blade becomes more deadly...Sith Swords are effective against lightsabers because of the way their alchemically altered metal refracts the lightsaber's energy.”

They do weigh much more than your typical lightsaber, though (2 kg for a saber, 6.5 kg for a Sith Sword), which would make them slower.

This taken into account, his Sith Sword is seen as four blades at one point, while Ludo's is depicted as two, indicating that Naga Sadow was pretty fast.

Before the battle ends, Ludo is the one bleeding and Naga has his sword extended directly out, while Ludo's is down and looking worried.

Then, Ragnos interrupts. Added to his saber abilities are his tremendously overpowered amulets, his talisman, and lightsaber resistant armor which also increases his physical strength.

It is safe to say that his combat abilities are certainly dangerous to just about anyone in the mythos.

Conclusion: Here's where it gets fun. I think Naga is definitely top tier. Not on his own, no. But with all of his equipment and whatnot? Definitely.

And its wrong to hold it against him for using his equipment. It'd be like Batman without his belt, or Ironman without the suit. Naga, presumably, made all of his equipment. He even gives a Sith amulet to Gav Daragon, who was essentially expendable.

If he hadn't made them himself, I don't see why he would be so generous with them.

The Sith Council calls him 'the strongest of the Sith Lords' and acknowledges the power in his bloodline. Ludo fears him and his proficiency with Sith alchemy, saying so at several points:

“Your rebellious actions and experiments are a threat to us all.”
“Stepping in dangerous waters, unleashing powers you do not understand.”

Sadow, personality-wise, seems like the Sith we're used to seeing. Arrogant, devious, powerful, brilliant. He's clever enough to stage an attack on Ziost and frame the Old Republic for it, getting himself declared Dark Lord of the Sith in the process.

He lures Ludo, his archrival, into attacking a useless base and then counterattacks with his own massive fleet.

He uses his Massassi warriors to slay numerous Sith Lords, and personally kills Lord Simus – the wisest Sith Lord and personal teacher and mentor of Naga.

Then he summons up the largest fleet the Sith empire had even assembled, faster than 'any force in the history of the galaxy.'

His attacks on the New Republic would have been successful, despite being vastly outnumbered – if his meditation sphere hadn't been struck by laser-fire from Gav and disabled.

Nonetheless he manages to escape, destroying large numbers of Empress Teta's fleet as well as Ludo Kressh's, before staging his death and living out the rest of his days on Yavin.

He seems to not be nearly as frightened of Marka Ragnos as other Sith Lords are (which either indicates a higher level of common sense or a higher level of power).

When confronted by Ragnos himself on Korriban (as a ghost), he's actually blatantly rude:

“What is so important that you could not leave us in peace to resolve our own differences?”

After Ragnos commands Ludo Kressh and Naga Sadow to make peace (an offer which Ludo is eager to do), Naga rejects this notion outright: “It requires more than the pronouncement of a ghost for me to forget my sworn enemy, Ludo Kressh.” So, yes, Sadow is definitely a badass.

Plus, he is definitely the coolest looking Ancient Sith (and he's bald!). Combine this with his powerful amulets, strong Sith Sword, stronger magic, and impressive knowledge of “ancient” (even by the Ancient's standards) Sith knowledge – I would say that Naga Sadow is definitely a top tier combatant and Force user, capable of beating nearly anyone if he were to fight smart...which is a given, seeing how cerebral he is. [/B]

Originally posted by Enyalus
I've already posted the weights, Crimzon. A normal sized, single bladed lightsaber weighs 2 kg. A Sith Sword weighs 6.5. Factor in the superior strength which the Sith race in general has when compared to most humans, plus their ability to agument themselves, and that weight difference is probably negligible. Naga Sadow was depicted moving so fast it looked as though he were wielding four blades at once.

Besides that, we're comparing combat applications. Sith swords are capable of cutting through anything a Jedi would be wearing - and it tends to distort a lightsaber blade when impacted, due to the alchemic properties in the metal. So no, Jedi to Ancient Sith combat wise it wouldn't be an advantage.

Furthermore, just because the Ancient Sith's sword styles are unknown, doesn't mean we can assume that they didn't even have any.

Sources for the exact weights, please? Just wondering.

And really, it's not like talented Jedi can't imbue themselves with the force, can they? And really, the only material that 'disrupts' lightsabers and is usable in the construction of swords is Cortosis. When did an Ancient Sith vs. Jedi duel result in the Jedi's saber being 'distorted'?

However, ultimately, I see your point, but I have my doubts about Ancient Sith being capable of defeating celebrated swordsmen, like Fisto, Kenobi, and Kolar.