Re: Re: Cyclops runs a gauntlet
Originally posted by vansonbee
1. Riddler = 9/10 Cyclops2. Captain America = 8/10 Captain America win: Shield, Strength, speed, H2H combat expert
3. Joker = 8/10 Cyclops
4. Batman = 7/10 Cyclops
5. Spider-Man = 8/10 win for Spiderman: Spider Sense, Speed, Strength
6. Clayface = Tie I say. Clayface getting blast to bits and it take him too long to regenarate to continue the battle, or Clay take hold and swallow Cyclop and squeeze him to death.
Originally posted by occultdestroyer 1. Riddler
* even if the Riddler has some kind of gadgets, i doubt that it would be faster than Cyke blasting him in almost less than a second, Cyke takes this 10/10...
Originally posted by occultdestroyer 2. Captain America
* with considerable distance, Cyke takes this 10/10... why? eventhough Cap has his indestructible shield, it would not cover his entire body, so Cyke would blast parts of Cap's body not covered by the shield... if Cap throws the shield, Cyke can blast the shield away and Cap would be vulnerable... yes, Cyke can blast the shield away because the shield being indestructible is not a factor, it's the force of the throw, and optic blasts are more powerful force than Cap's superhuman throw...
* if somehow Cap managed to get close, he better make a quick one-shot hit to confuse or KO Cyke, if not, Cyke is also an aikido & judo expert, taking him down in hand-to-hand plus a close range optic blast will not be an easy task even if it's Cap... if it's far, Cyke 10/10... if it's close, still Cyke 7-8/10...
Originally posted by occultdestroyer 3. Joker
* same as Riddler, Cyke takes this 10/10...
Originally posted by occultdestroyer 4. Batman
* just like in the Cyclops vs. Batman thread, Cykes takes this one...
* if somehow Bats managed to get close, he better make a quick one-shot hit to confuse or KO Cyke, if not, Cyke is also an aikido & judo expert, taking him down in hand-to-hand plus a close range optic blast will not be an easy task even if it's Bats... if it's far, Cyke 10/10... if it's close, still Cyke 7-8/10...
Originally posted by occultdestroyer 5. Spider-Man
* Cyke has managed to tag Northstar and Quicksilver both with superhuman speed, Cyke has managed to tag Wolverine and Nightcrawler both with superhuman agility... in my opinion, if there's enough distance between them, Cyke takes this... aiming is not problem, Cyke has uncanny ability of spatial (trigonometry/geometry/whatever) awareness which he can use to ricochet his blast... Spidey's senses might alarm him but consider the speed of the blast...
* if somehow Spidey managed to get close, he better make a quick one-shot hit to confuse or KO Cyke, if not, Cyke is also an aikido & judo expert, taking him down in hand-to-hand plus a close range optic blast will not be an easy task even if it's Spidey... if it's far, Cyke 10/10... if it's close, still Cyke 7-8/10...
Originally posted by occultdestroyer 6. ClayfaceCyclops wears his visor at all times.
"Get off my lawn" blasts NOT allowed.
* this is the problem... as far as i know, Clayface can regenerate any part of his body if it's cut off, without Mega blasts, Cyke loses this battle, 0/10... unless someone can think of ways how Cyke can defeat Clayface without the use of Mega blasts... 🙂
1. Why is Clayface above Batman and the Captain?
2. Why is the Joker above Captain America?
3. What is the Riddler doing here? He can't fight for sh*t. He's the only Bat-villain worthy of the title "W-I-M-P!".
Anyway, Cyclops could lose to everyone above the Riddler. Captain? He has his shield and superb H2H skills, which easily outclass Cyclops' own. He's easily faster and physically stronger, and as good as Cyclops is in H2H, he's no Captain America. It depends, really, if Captain America can close in or not.
The Joker? With prep, he curbstomps Cyclops. Without prep? Cyclops probably has this. While the Joker's gadgets, extreme levels of speed (Batman-level) and manic strength should give him an edge in close-quarters combat, I really don't see how he can get to Cyclops through the optic blasts. Aside from guns, most of his weaponry work best at medium-to-close range, so unless he's carrying smoke bombs somewhere, he won't close in on Cyclops and will be owned by one of the blasts.
Or he could just nail Cyclops with Joker Venom and cause good ol' Cykes to die with a smile on his face.
Batman? Same deal as Captain America, only that Batman is more resourceful, smarter, and has a superior arsenal of gadgets, enabling him to potentially blind Cyclops, nail him with a batarang, and one-hit KO him in melee. (Leopard Blow, pressure point strike. Anything works)
I'll avoid making an argument about Clayface. I don't know 'nuff of the Clay boy to make an informed argument.
stops at captain america. cap knows a lot about cyclops, they have fought side by side and cap knows that cyclops had deadly accurate powers.
cap won't dare toss the shield since it's perfectly suited to block the optic blasts since it absorbs and displaces all manner of strikes directed against it. he will make his way closer to scott and once he is within close combat proximity, he will take him down asap, like a true soldier would.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
stops at captain america. cap knows a lot about cyclops, they have fought side by side and cap knows that cyclops had deadly accurate powers.
* Cyke obviously knows a lot about Cap... heck, everyone in Marvel Universe knows who Cap is... Cyke sure as hell knows that Cap is an excellent fighter... Cyke is a strategist & a tactician like Cap and he will effective use the things he has advantage over Cap - enough distance and his optic blasts...
Originally posted by psycho gundam
cap won't dare toss the shield since it's perfectly suited to block the optic blasts since it absorbs and displaces all manner of strikes directed against it. he will make his way closer to scott and once he is within close combat proximity, he will take him down asap, like a true soldier would.
* you just said "deadly ACCURATE powers"... if Cyke is that accurate, he can hit Cap's body parts not covered by the shield... unless you want Cap to squeeze his entire body behind the shield...
* if the fight ever came to close range, i doubt Cap can take out Cyke "ASAP" because Cyke is an aikido & judo expert, Cyke might not last long in hand-to-hand combat, but few seconds is enough for Cyke to make an opening and unleash a close range optic blast to Cap...
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Batman? Same deal as Captain America, only that Batman is more resourceful, smarter, and has a superior arsenal of gadgets, enabling him to potentially blind Cyclops, nail him with a batarang, and one-hit KO him in melee. (Leopard Blow, pressure point strike. Anything works)
* Cyke might not be superhumanly agile but he is agile enough to dodge, heck he is agile enough to blast an opponent's leg while doing a cartwheel... plus being a freakin' surgeon with his blasts, Cyke can blitz blasting Batman and his batarang at the same time or heck, just blasting Batsy even before he can draw any gadgets... Cyke's visor is thought-controlled and neutral-activated due to advanced technology... all he had to do is look, think and blast...
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Anyway, Cyclops could lose to everyone above the Riddler.
* seriously... do you know the capabilities of Scott Summers?
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
The Joker? With prep, he curbstomps Cyclops. Without prep? Cyclops probably has this. While the Joker's gadgets, extreme levels of speed (Batman-level) and manic strength should give him an edge in close-quarters combat, I really don't see how he can get to Cyclops through the optic blasts. Aside from guns, most of his weaponry work best at medium-to-close range, so unless he's carrying smoke bombs somewhere, he won't close in on Cyclops and will be owned by one of the blasts.Or he could just nail Cyclops with Joker Venom and cause good ol' Cykes to die with a smile on his face.
* without prep, Cyke 10/10... 🙂
Originally posted by peejayd
* Cyke might not be superhumanly agile but he is agile enough to dodge, heck he is agile enough to blast an opponent's leg while doing a cartwheel... plus being a freakin' surgeon with his blasts, Cyke can blitz blasting Batman and his batarang at the same time or heck, just blasting Batsy even before he can draw any gadgets... Cyke's visor is thought-controlled and neutral-activated due to advanced technology... all he had to do is look, think and blast...
True. Only that Batman has plenty of flash bombs, batarangs, ropes, and all sorts of complicated gadgets to take care of Scott; granted, Scott isn't slow, but he is far from on par with Batman, who represents that absolute pinnacle of human perfection. One strike is all Batman needs to beat him in close-ranged combat.
Originally posted by peejayd
* seriously... do you know the capabilities of Scott Summers?
COULD, not WOULD. All people above the Riddler can beat Cyke. Even the Joker, if he ambushes Cyke, acid-squirts his face, electrecutes him, and stabs him can, technically, win (although that is an unlikely scenario).
Originally posted by peejayd
* without prep, Cyke 10/10... 🙂
Yeah, unless the Joker is clever enough to distract Cyclops somehow long enough for him to get into close range, he's no match for optic blasts.
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
True. Only that Batman has plenty of flash bombs, batarangs, ropes, and all sorts of complicated gadgets to take care of Scott;
* yeah, unless Cyke blasts him first before even drawing any of those gadgets...
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
granted, Scott isn't slow, but he is far from on par with Batman, who represents that absolute pinnacle of human perfection. One strike is all Batman needs to beat him in close-ranged combat.
* right, Bats really NEEDS a one-hit strike... because if it tolls any longer, there's a close range optic blast waiting for perfect timing...
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
COULD, not WOULD. All people above the Riddler can beat Cyke. Even the Joker, if he ambushes Cyke, acid-squirts his face, electrecutes him, and stabs him can, technically, win (although that is an unlikely scenario).
* with that logic, it's also safe to say Cyke COULD beat all in the list...
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Yeah, unless the Joker is clever enough to distract Cyclops somehow long enough for him to get into close range, he's no match for optic blasts.
* if the Joker is more clever than Cyke... 🙂
Originally posted by peejayd
* yeah, unless Cyke blasts him first before even drawing any of those gadgets...
Batman is faster and has better reflexes than Cyke. Therefore, it's logical that he would move faster than him, and get the first hit.
Originally posted by peejayd
* right, Bats really NEEDS a one-hit strike... because if it tolls any longer, there's a close range optic blast waiting for perfect timing...
Yeah. But what would prevent him from getting a one-hit KO on Cykes in H2H? Cykes isn't as fast, strong, resourceful, or skilled.
Originally posted by peejayd
* with that logic, it's also safe to say Cyke COULD beat all in the list...
And you'd be correct. Cykes COULD beat anyone on this list- aside from the Riddler, there doesn't exist a truly massive power difference between Cykes and any of the combatants listed.
Originally posted by peejayd
* if the Joker is more clever than Cyke... 🙂
He is. Don't even try to argue this.
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Batman is faster and has better reflexes than Cyke. Therefore, it's logical that he would move faster than him, and get the first hit.I agree Batman is faster then cyclop if H2H combat, but this is reasnable distance and cyclop has his Optic blast, please don't argue with this fact.
Yeah. But what would prevent him from getting a one-hit KO on Cykes in H2H? Cykes isn't as fast, strong, resourceful, or skilled.
Take away Cyclop optic blast ability then, OP stated this be straight up fight. If your unhappy about this result go make thread Cyclop vs Batman in H2H combat.... don't worry I support you 🙄
And you'd be correct. Cykes COULD beat anyone on this list- aside from the Riddler, there doesn't exist a truly massive power difference between Cykes and any of the combatants listed.
Spiderman, Clayface and maybe Captain America has chance
He is. Don't even try to argue this.
Joker is clever then Cyclop, if this was scenarios plot fight with prep, but op stated this is straight up fight.
Re: Re: Re: Cyclops runs a gauntlet
I agree Batman is faster then cyclop if H2H combat, but this is reasnable distance and cyclop has his Optic blast, please don't argue with this fact.
I won't. But Batman is clever enough to use his gadgets, speed, and ropes in order to avoid the optic blasts and get to Cyclops; flash bombs, maybe. Cyclops can't do jackshit against that.
Take away Cyclop optic blast ability then, OP stated this be straight up fight. If your unhappy about this result go make thread Cyclop vs Batman in H2H combat.... don't worry I support you roll eyes (sarcastic)
Yes. So? Gadgets can be used in non-prep fight.
Spiderman, Clayface and maybe Captain America has chance.
Ugh. Captain America is not better than Batman.
Re: Re: Re: Cyclops runs a gauntlet
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
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Wha? Spidey can easily evade just about anything Cyke throws at him. Then clocks Cyke for the win. The 2 is just if Cyke gets a lucky shot off.
And my Clayface vote is in agreement with a previous poster. It's a stalemate, in my opinion, because Cyke can't hurt CF, but he also won't let CF get to him either.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Cyclops runs a gauntlet
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
[B]I agree Batman is faster then cyclop if H2H combat, but this is reasnable distance and cyclop has his Optic blast, please don't argue with this fact.I won't. But Batman is clever enough to use his gadgets, speed, and ropes in order to avoid the optic blasts and get to Cyclops; flash bombs, maybe. Cyclops can't do jackshit against that.
Take away Cyclop optic blast ability then, OP stated this be straight up fight. If your unhappy about this result go make thread Cyclop vs Batman in H2H combat.... don't worry I support you roll eyes (sarcastic)
Yes. So? Gadgets can be used in non-prep fight.
Spiderman, Clayface and maybe Captain America has chance.
Ugh. Captain America is not better than Batman. [/B]
Yes Batman can use his gadget, but another poster already stated that cyclop can blast his weapons or him during that process,
It's straight up fight, I didn't say Op stated H2H combat
Captain America is enhanced fighter and has shield to protect him against cyclop,
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cyclops runs a gauntlet
Originally posted by vansonbee
Yes Batman can use his gadget, but another poster already stated that cyclop can blast his weapons or him during that process,It's straight up fight, I didn't say Op stated H2H combat
Captain America is enhanced fighter and has shield to protect him against cyclop,
Straight up fights can involve H2H.
And Captain America is enhanced to THE PINNACLE OF HUMAN PERFECTION- not beyond it. He and Batman are physical equals.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cyclops runs a gauntlet
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Straight up fights can involve H2H.And Captain America is enhanced to THE PINNACLE OF HUMAN PERFECTION- not beyond it. He and Batman are physical equals.
Yes this fight could involve H2H combat, but Batman won't have that chance.
Captain America has strength of 10 men, Batman could beat 10 men... Sorry, but Captain America punches will leave Batman hurting in H2H combat,
Captain America is indeed peak human, but in higher level then Batman. Cap Bench presses 1100 lb for reps and run a mile less then minute.
I also compare Bane to Cap. Bane without vemon is equal to Batman in speed/strength/fighting. With vemon Bane is Superhuman level tier. Which Batman has found a way to beat him. (not in H2H) Bane is indeed stronger then Cap in strength when using vemon