Cyclops runs a gauntlet

Originally posted by vansonbee
Yes this fight could involve H2H combat, but Batman won't have that chance.

Captain America has strength of 10 men, Batman could beat 10 men... Sorry, but Captain America punches will leave Batman hurting in H2H combat,

Captain America is indeed peak human, but in higher level then Batman. Cap Bench presses 1100 lb for reps and run a mile less then minute.

I also compare Bane to Cap. Bane without vemon is equal to Batman in speed/strength/fighting. With vemon Bane is Superhuman level tier. Which Batman has found a way to beat him. (not in H2H) Bane is indeed stronger then Cap in strength when using vemon

Batman is the absolute apex of what a human can be; not only can he move fast enough to easily dodge bullets at extremely close ranges, he has advanced levels of agility and can speed blitz the vast majority of opponents.

Batman can support- without any indication of extreme effort- a ceiling weighing 1000 pounds. He is regularly commented to be extremely physically strong.

Not only that, but is vastly more skilled than Captain America, being a master of both forbidden/nearly exclusive techniques and a master of all 137 known form of martial arts- Steve can't claim as much.

This is really unnecessary.

Cyke clears this list except for Spidey and Clayface.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
vastly more skilled than Captain America, being a master of both forbidden/nearly exclusive techniques and a master of all 137 known form of martial arts- Steve can't claim as much.

True, Steve can only claim to know all forms and everyone knows that 137 >>>> all

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Batman is the absolute apex of what a human can be; not only can he move fast enough to easily dodge bullets at extremely close ranges, he has advanced levels of agility and can speed blitz the vast majority of opponents.

Batman can support- without any indication of extreme effort- a ceiling weighing 1000 pounds. He is regularly commented to be extremely physically strong.

Not only that, but is vastly more skilled than Captain America, being a master of both forbidden/nearly exclusive techniques and a master of all 137 known form of martial arts- Steve can't claim as much.

tsk

Batman might more MA then Cap, but his enhance strength of 10 men balance that out as well

Speed blitz? please he move before they even shoot and how did get into this position? I can even vouch cyclop never misses in his comic, lolz Oh wait what this image. Stop boasting that Batman has superhuman abilities when he near peak human only

Originally posted by vansonbee
tsk

Batman might more MA then Cap, but his enhance strength of 10 men balance that out as well

Speed blitz? please he move before they even shoot and how did get into this position? I can even vouch cyclop never misses in his comic, lolz Oh wait what this image. Stop boasting that Batman has superhuman abilities when he near peak human only

You just posted an impressive feat of Batman's. While at almost point-blank range, in an uncomfortable position, Batman avoided 13 out of 14 bullets fired at him.

Batman already depicted Captain America-class strength feats- lifting a 1000 pound ceiling with no indication of incredible effort, for once. He displayed similar speed feats.

For god's sake, what's so tough to understand? Both Captain America and Batman are absolute peak human. Neither have any sort of superhuman ability.

Only difference is, Batman is far more intelligent and skilled. Put 1 and 1 together.

Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, Batman was showing as good deal of effort during that lift seeing as he was bent over even further in the next panel, which would mean that it was pushing him down.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, Batman was showing as good deal of effort during that lift seeing as he was bent over even further in the next panel, which would mean that it was pushing him down.

I don't remember seeing any groaning or excruciating looks of effort from him. I'm sure he was challenged, but definetly not to "Oh my god... I can't take it any more..." stage.

IMO, that is still trumped by Cap casually benching between 1100 and 2200 pounds.

Plus, there is no proof that Batman is vast;y more skilled.

Originally posted by Silent Master
IMO, that is still trumped by Cap casually benching between 1100 and 2200 pounds.

Plus, there is no proof that Batman is vast;y more skilled.

Post the scan of Captain America benchpressing such levels of weights, please.

And yes, there is. Batman is a master of every martial art known to many- 137 forms, to be exact. He also knows several almost unique, deadly techniques like the Leopard Blow. Captain America's knowledge and skill does not even come close.

BTW, Cap knows all styles

Originally posted by Silent Master

BTW, Cap knows all styles

That was only 1100 pounds. You said 2200 pounds.

And now, support Captain's claims and show where he displays superb martial arts skills and knowledge. He could by lying or exaggerating, for all that we know.

I said between 1100 and 2200 pounds, both of which are covered by that pic as listed weights are generally for that side only.

BTW, Batman knowing 127 styles comes from a line in Batgirl, if a mere comment is good enough for Batman then the same applies to Cap.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I said between 1100 and 2200 pounds, both of which are covered by that pic as listed weights are generally for that side only.

BTW, Batman knowing 127 styles comes from a line in Batgirl, if a mere comment is good enough for Batman then the same applies to Cap.

Aside from 'Batgirl', Batman has spent his entire freakin' life mastering every form of martial artistry- not only did he display a greater focus on actually learning the techniques of fighting in comparison to Captain America (unless Steve travelled around the world and got extensive training from the world's greatest martial artists?), he had displayed knowledge of near-exclusive techniques known only to him and minimal amounts of people.

He was, for example, commented to be Tsunemoto's greatest student. Said Tsunemoto was one of the greatest assassins in the world.

He also gives Batgirl a CD containing 127 forms of martial arts, which he- logically- personally recorded.

Here, for example, we see Bruce claiming- to no one in particular, unlike Captain America, and with no motive to lie- to have mastered all forms of martial arts.

According to his official DC profile, he has "mastered virtually all forms of combat". Note; this is combat, not exclusively martial arts, displaying that his knowledge range is far more broad than Captain America's.

As you can see, Batman is vastly superior to America in skill.

Originally posted by Silent Master
BTW, Cap knows all styles

I lol'ed.

cyke stops at 2.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
As you can see, Batman is vastly superior to America in skill.

🤨

So, even with no proof claiming that Cap is NOT insanely skilled, Batman is just automatically vastly superior to Cap?

Yea. Nice one. 🙄

Bottom right corner.

batman is more skilled IMO........not nearly close to being vastly more skilled.......but more skilled.

anyway,that's not what this thread is about. in fact i fear i might have aided this irelevance with my statement above.i could always erase it...........ah well,what's done is done. 😆

And according to every handbook Marvel has ever put out, Cap rates a 7 in fighting skill, BTW, Marvel defines 7 as "master of all forms".

he's not a master of all forms of fighting. batman nearly is. 127 i do believe. and he's incorporated them all into a style that's purely him and unimitatable.