Cyclops runs a gauntlet

Originally posted by peejayd
* i'm not taking away anything from Batman, as they say, he's a pinnacle of human perfection... the dodging and flash bombing thingy, it could happen... however, if there's considerable amount of distance, my money is on Cyke... consider these factors:

>> thought-controlled/neural-activated visor - Cyke will just look, think, blast... takes less than a second...

>> accuracy/speed - Cyke was able to tag speedsters and super-agile characters... heck, he was able to blast an opponent's leg while doing a cartwheel... he was also able to disarm several soldiers in one blast...

>> spatial awareness - he can ricochet his blasts in near-impossible trigonometric/geomtric angles of his liking...

>> speed of the blast - it may or may not travel as fast as the speed of light, but you get the picture...

Cyclops is indeed uber, but please look at the bigger picture. Batman was able to dodge Mr. Freeze's laser blasts (which could, plausibly, move as fast as Cyclop's optic blasts) at absolute point-blank range using simple gymnastics. Now, considering they- according to you- start a considerable distance away, it is logical that Batman could dodge it- he dodged a similar beam at point-blank range.

Flash bomb, batarang to the face, Leopard Blow. Seems plausible enough. All in all, I'd give Bats a 7/10 chance to beat Cyclops.

Originally posted by peejayd
* i know... Batman, without a shadow of a doubt, is better than Cyke in H2H department... my point is, Cyke who is an expert in Aikido & Judo might be able buy little time to make a point blank/close range optic blast, Batman would be much easier to tag if he's closer, and it would be much more difficult for Batman to dodge the blast in point blank/close range...

Not if Cyclops is blinded. Batman can KO him with one hit, potentially.

Originally posted by peejayd
* that's the reason i'm giving Batman 2-3/10 chance that he would be able to strike a one-hit KO on Cyke if, and only if, Batman managed to get close to Cyke...

Alright.

Originally posted by peejayd
* thank you... 🙂

No problem. I respect it when my opponents make reasonable arguments. 🙂

Originally posted by peejayd
* my idea is also just like it's with Batman... the difference is, Joker's intelligence is close to insane/psychotic level...

The Joker is Batman's mental equal; his psychoticness (or, defined better, 'super sanity'😉 allows him to think in ways regular people can not.

Originally posted by peejayd
* i might consider Batman and Joker to have quicker reflexes than Cyke... but still, thought-controlled visor >>> quick reflexes, am i right?

Yeah. But Batman did dodge these beams, and Joker DID stun Batman with his speed.

Still, the Joker, unlike Batman, isn't a superbly trained combatant. He should die against Cyclops.

Originally posted by peejayd
* well, yeah, kinda, sorta... Joker cheats more than Batman though... i probably give 3-4/10 chance... 🙂

The Joker is a cheater by nature; however, he also defeated people far larger than himself without any sort of cheating or apparent effort.

In the Joker: Devil's Advocate, he beats the crap out of a heavy guy in for '80' murders who intends to kill him, without any apparent effort. It takes 3 guards to restrain him.

Also, after shooting Zatanna in the throat, the Joker incapacitates Batman.

There, the Joker displays considerable skill by giving Batman a powerful kick to the face (causing him to bleed, no less), ducking under his punch, and stabbing him with a sword.

Add that to knives and a very lethal joy buzzer in H2H and the Joker should take an H2H fight with Cyclops.

It won't get to that, though.

Cyclops can and has fired blasts so large that Batman would have no chance of dodging them.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Cyclops can and has fired blasts so large that Batman would have no chance of dodging them.

Does it take charging time? Can it only be used under circumstance? What?

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Does it take charging time? Can it only be used under circumstance? What?

All it requires is Cyclops to remove his visor. It should also be noted that Cyclops powers were further upgraded after that incident in Civil War: X-Men.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Cyclops can and has fired blasts so large that Batman would have no chance of dodging them.

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IN THESE DEBATES WE JUST USE COMMON SENSE WITH CHARCTER FULLEST CURRENT ABILITIES AND EQUIPMENT.
(DEPENDING ON OP rules: Scenarios and location.)

BATMAN FANS KEEP STATING HE DODGE INCOMING RANGE ATTACK LIKE ITS A SPECIAL ABILITY OR SOMETHING, USING POSSIBILITIES INSTEAD OF OVERALL SUMMERY THAT CYCLOP HAS BETTER CHANCE OF WINNING... 🙄

😮 sorry for caps, was halfway when I realize it.

Originally posted by vansonbee
THESE GUYS JUST DON'T EXCEPT CYCLOP WIN THIS GAUNTLET AGAINST BATMAN!

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IN THESE DEBATES WE JUST USE COMMON SENSE WITH CHARCTER FULLEST CURRENT ABILITIES AND EQUIPMENT.
(DEPENDING ON OP rules: Scenarios and location.)

BATMAN FANS KEEP STATING HE DODGE INCOMING RANGE ATTACK LIKE ITS A SPECIAL ABILITY OR SOMETHING, USING POSSIBILITIES INSTEAD OF OVERALL SUMMERY THAT CYCLOP HAS BETTER CHANCE OF WINNING... 🙄

😮 sorry for caps, was halfway when I realize it.

Well to be fair they're perfectly entitled to their opinions. You and I may not disagree but there's really no point in going around in circles. Stating it once should suffice, if they disagree then all the best to them. That's probably the only good piece of advice that I can offer in this situation.

Originally posted by vansonbee
THESE GUYS JUST DON'T EXCEPT CYCLOP WIN THIS GAUNTLET AGAINST BATMAN!

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IN THESE DEBATES WE JUST USE COMMON SENSE WITH CHARCTER FULLEST CURRENT ABILITIES AND EQUIPMENT.
(DEPENDING ON OP rules: Scenarios and location.)

BATMAN FANS KEEP STATING HE DODGE INCOMING RANGE ATTACK LIKE ITS A SPECIAL ABILITY OR SOMETHING, USING POSSIBILITIES INSTEAD OF OVERALL SUMMERY THAT CYCLOP HAS BETTER CHANCE OF WINNING... 🙄

😮 sorry for caps, was halfway when I realize it.

😐

That's all I have to say.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
😐

That's all I have to say.

Not killed, but beaten! 😄

victory Gloat! 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by vansonbee
I like Batman alot, but I am saying just don't compare him to impossible character in straight up scenario. I am sure Batman can take on Deadpool, Wolverine, Daredevil and win

Not killed, but beaten! 😄

victory Gloat! 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

Are you bein' sarcastic?

I think that the whole idea of "Non superhuman being can't take a superhuman being! pfft!" is ridiculous. Batman beat his share of superhumans.

And if Cyclops removes his visor he decimates everyone here, I s'pose.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Are you bein' sarcastic?

I think that the whole idea of "Non superhuman being can't take a superhuman being! pfft!" is ridiculous. Batman beat his share of superhumans.

And if Cyclops removes his visor he decimates everyone here, I s'pose.

Then you agree, with me part of it so far?

So were halfway there then. Cyclop take this majority 😈

Originally posted by vansonbee
Then you agree, with me part of it so far?

So were halfway there then. Cyclop take this majority 😈

If he removes his visor. If he doesn't, I still believe in my original theory.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
If he removes his visor. If he doesn't, I still believe in my original theory.

Cyclop at that moment after seeing Batman(as Batman see him) react by blasting him and staying on consistency blast hitting the batarang/clearing smokescreen with his Beam following Batman. Because of the Surrounding Cyclop can just spam the area with small blasts

Like you said on top about Mr. Freeze nice gun. Its not consistence Blast.

senario #2

Wide blast, Batman=dead

Originally posted by vansonbee
Senario #1
Original theory of Batman grabbing his Gas Smokescreens and batarang and then toss both of them and ducking out of the way and get closer? (lots of and...)

Cyclop at that moment after seeing Batman(as Batman see him) react by blasting him and staying on consistency blast hitting the batarang/clearing smokescreen with his Beam following Batman. Because of the Surrounding Cyclop can just spam the area with small blasts

Like you said on top about Mr. Freeze nice gun. Its not consistence Blast.

senario #2

Wide blast, Batman=dead

Eh? Sorry, if Cyclops is blinded, it will take very little to incapacitate him. Scenario 2 is correct, but I'd say Bats has Scenario 1.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Cyclops is indeed uber, but please look at the bigger picture. Batman was able to dodge Mr. Freeze's laser blasts (which could, plausibly, move as fast as Cyclop's optic blasts) at absolute point-blank range using simple gymnastics. Now, considering they- according to you- start a considerable distance away, it is logical that Batman could dodge it- he dodged a similar beam at point-blank range.

Flash bomb, batarang to the face, Leopard Blow. Seems plausible enough. All in all, I'd give Bats a 7/10 chance to beat Cyclops.

* i see your point... just a clarification, is Mr. Freeze's laser blasts came from a gun, and the likes? if that's what it was, even if it was in point blank range, Mr. Freeze still had to aim to Batman... all Cyke gotta do is just look at Batman, the visor opens the moment Cyke thinks and ZAKT!!! 🙂

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
The Joker is a cheater by nature; however, he also defeated people far larger than himself without any sort of cheating or apparent effort.

In the Joker: Devil's Advocate, he beats the crap out of a heavy guy in for '80' murders who intends to kill him, without any apparent effort. It takes 3 guards to restrain him.

Also, after shooting Zatanna in the throat, the Joker incapacitates Batman.

There, the Joker displays considerable skill by giving Batman a powerful kick to the face (causing him to bleed, no less), ducking under his punch, and stabbing him with a sword.

Add that to knives and a very lethal joy buzzer in H2H and the Joker should take an H2H fight with Cyclops.

It won't get to that, though.

* that Joker's freakin' insane!

Originally posted by peejayd
* i see your point... just a clarification, is Mr. Freeze's laser blasts came from a gun, and the likes? if that's what it was, even if it was in point blank range, Mr. Freeze still had to aim to Batman... all Cyke gotta do is just look at Batman, the visor opens the moment Cyke thinks and ZAKT!!! 🙂

That doesn't change a thing, because they will be at longer range AND Cyclops will still have to aim.

Originally posted by peejayd
* that Joker's freakin' insane!

Yes. 😄

Well, he's still insane in the way that he is able to be a calculating genius. His insanity is his power.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
That doesn't change a thing, because they will be at longer range AND Cyclops will still have to aim.

* not if it's Cyclops, he actually needs not to aim, all he needs is to look, think & out comes the optic blast with the speed of light... he [w/o PIS] would hit any target he sees... you can join us in the Cyclops vs. Batman thread... 🙂

Originally posted by peejayd
* not if it's Cyclops, he actually needs not to aim, all he needs is to look, think & out comes the optic blast with the speed of light... he [w/o PIS] would hit any target he sees... you can join us in the Cyclops vs. Batman thread... 🙂

Well, if you can prove Cyclops' beams do truly come at the speed of light, and even if something states as much, prove that said statement is not hyperbole, I'll concede the argument. Batman can't dodge light-speed level beams.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Well, if you can prove Cyclops' beams do truly come at the speed of light, and even if something states as much, prove that said statement is not hyperbole, I'll concede the argument. Batman can't dodge light-speed level beams.

Here's one.

http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cyclopsspeedoflightlb1.jpg

Weird.

Has any normal, unenhanced human being ever dodged Cyclops' beam?

Just a few questions. If the answer to the above question is 'no', I concede the argument.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Weird.

Has any normal, unenhanced human being ever dodged Cyclops' beam?

Just a few questions. If the answer to the above question is 'no', I concede the argument.

To my knowledge? No. No normal, unenhanced human being has ever dodged Cyke's beam.