Aragorn versus RotJ Vader

Aragorn and Vader are fighting each other in Balin's Tomb.

Stipulations-

For the purposes fo this thread, vader can not use any offensive force powers. Aragorn's Narsil is resistant to the lightsabers heat, so it can not be cut through. This is a swords only fight to the death.

Who wins?

EDIT- I forgot something, thanks Bardock. Vader can use the force to amplify his abilities so that he fights as well as he did in RotJ. Only the movies's feats can be used for both characters.

Vader.

Unless he can't use his superior reflexes and passive force powers either. And even then...maybe if you don't give Vader a sword Aragorn has a chance.

You think that Vader's sword skills > Aragorn's? I'm not nescesarilly disagreeing, but what do you base that on?

And I edited to make it clearer.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
You think that Vader's sword skills > Aragorn's? I'm not nescesarilly disagreeing, but what do you base that on?

And I edited to make it clearer.

Nah, pretty much all of his 'saber duels in the OT itself. Aragorn gets all of his feats from the three movies as well.

Aragorn, he is much more experienced than Darth Vadar. Aragorn never had force abilities to rely on so if you take away Vadars Force abilities and turn him into a simple swordsman, Aragorn will destroy him.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Nah, pretty much all of his 'saber duels in the OT itself. Aragorn gets all of his feats from the three movies as well.

Does Vader have an actual sword or his lighsabre that just can't cut through Aragons?

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Aragorn, he is much more experienced than Darth Vadar. Aragorn never had force abilities to rely on so if you take away Vadars Force abilities and turn him into a simple swordsman, Aragorn will destroy him.

and he fights very well against one of the most powerful/talented Jedi in ROTJ as well.

That's not really saying much considering Luke at that point was very inexperienced and only had a couple years of pseudo- training.

Does Vader have an actual sword or his lighsabre that just can't cut through Aragons?

He has his lightsaber, but it can not cut through Aragorn's sword.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
That's not really saying much considering Luke at that point was very inexperienced and only had a couple years of pseudo- training.

He had, become quite worthy and talented according to both the Emperor and Vader by the time. Also, Vader killed a Master in ANH. And again, the fight was, imo, superior to what I saw of Aragorn in all LOTR

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
He has his lightsaber, but it can not cut through Aragorn's sword.

Still, a lighsaber is so much easier to handle and so much lighter that Aragorn has a severe disadvantage with that alone.

Originally posted by Bardock42
He's not taken away his force abilities. As for the more experience, how exactly did you figure that? Anakin beat one of the top duelists in the Jedi Order without aggressive use of the force (admittedly, ROTJ Vader supposedly is a bit worse than ROTS Vader, according to Lucas), he has the experience and he fights very well against one of the most powerful/talented Jedi in ROTJ as well.

What exactly is non offensive force abilities then...,force jump? I also feel that Aragorn is more experienced because he is much older than Vadar.

Also, i'm just going from what i've seen in the movie's. I saw Aragorn do more in three movies than i saw vadar do in six, (Excluding "offensive" force abilities).

Originally posted by Bardock42
Vader by the time. Also, Vader killed a Master in ANH.

I dont know if that counts, Obi wan let Vadar kill him 😂

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
What exactly is non offensive force abilities then...,force jump? I also feel that Aragorn is more experienced because he is much older than Vadar.

I'd assume his reflexes, his speed, his strength, his agility and all other stats that are tweaked by the force. Anything that would not be considered a Force Attack in an RPG I guess.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Also, i'm just going from what i've seen in the movie's. I saw Aragorn do more in three movies than i saw vadar do in six, (Excluding "offensive" force abilities).

Oh, I think no one would doubt that ROTS Vader owns the craü out of Aragorn any day of the week. At least to me it's obvious why Blax chose ROTJ

He had, become quite worthy and talented according to both the Emperor and Vader by the time.

He was talented yes, because had the skywalker potential. That doesn't nescesarily mean that his bladework was Jedi level.

Also, Vader killed a Master in ANH.

A master who was a shadow of his former self with a lightsaber and hadn't used one in years?

And again, the fight was, imo, superior to what I saw of Aragorn in all LOTR

I dunno. Aragorn fought hordes of orcs and Uruk-hai by himself, defeated Lurtz who was above average in skill, and managed to defeat the majority of the Nazgul by himself on Weathertop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJqrWssQSxI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDQU9iPxO6o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4XMgQUqLZ0

I don't think that what we've seen from vader in combat speed is far superior to Aragorn's blade work. I'm not exactly sure who would win but I think it's pretty even.

EDIT- Pretty much any Jedi from the PT would destroy Aragorn in a duel, but I figured that Vader, being a deal slower then them and using a form that is made primarily of heavy two handed strikes and the like, would be more even.

As for offensive powers, I mean no push, pull, choke, grabbing Aragorn and other objects. He can not use any abilities that would affect either their surroundings or Aragorn himself.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
He was talented yes, because had the skywalker potential. That doesn't nescesarily mean that his bladework was Jedi level.

True, but his speed was enormous anyways, and he had at least mastered powers like the Force Jump. Well, I might have to watch the fight again, but I think it was very fast and excellent fighting.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
A master who was a shadow of his former self with a lightsaber and hadn't used one in years?

That's never stated I think.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
I dunno. Aragorn fought hordes of orcs and Uruk-hai by himself, defeated Lurtz who was above average in skill, and managed to defeat the majority of the Nazgul by himself on Weathertop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJqrWssQSxI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4XMgQUqLZ0

I don't think that what we've seen from vader in combat speed is far superior to Aragorn's blade work. I'm not exactly sure who would win btu I think it's pretty even.

I agree that Vaders skills are not really shown in the OT except for the last fight. But just because Aragorn has more showings doesn't mean that they are more impressive than Vaders max. If we exclude PT altogether this is more blind guessing I think (I'd still go for Vader), if we include PT Vader defeated or stood up to some of the best duelist Jedi ever.

But I am not sure how to determine it exactly. Will Vader be able to use his anger and hatred as a boost?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I'd assume his reflexes, his speed, his strength, his agility and all other stats that are tweaked by the force. Anything that would not be considered a Force Attack in an RPG I guess.

Oh, I think no one would doubt that ROTS Vader owns the craü out of Aragorn any day of the week. At least to me it's obvious why Blax chose ROTJ

Yeah, i was taking Vadar's reflexes into account but i compared that to the Aragorns lineage and decided the two aspects cancelled each other out or that one had a slight advantage over the other but nothing to advantageous.

I agree, if this were sith lord Anakin, Aragorn would be decimated within moments. If Vadar were able to use his sith powers i would probably even give him the win there, although, i still think it would be close. Without the ability to use his force powers i see Vadar, merely as a Swardsman. Vadar may be a master swordsman but so it Aragorn and i think Aragorn is much more agile.

For reference:

YouTube video

Originally posted by ragesRemorse

I agree, if this were sith lord Anakin, Aragorn would be decimated within moments. If Vadar were able to use his sith powers i would probably even give him the win there, although, i still think it would be close. Without the ability to use his force powers i see Vadar, merely as a Swardsman. Vadar may be a master swordsman but so it Aragorn and i think Aragorn is much more agile.

I don't really think we can comment on Vader's agility much, his sword style does not really depend on fast movies as the one in ROTS. And Anakin Skywalker was not just some master swordsman, he was on of the best in an Order of freaking superheroes. And though he might have lost speed and strength and force power and agility (debatable, I suppose) he surely didn't lose the skill.

Originally posted by Bardock42
. And Anakin Skywalker was not just some master swordsman, he was on of the best in an Order of freaking superheroes. And though he might have lost speed and strength and force power and agility (debatable, I suppose) he surely didn't lose the skill.

What about mace windu, Yoda and OBi Wan...,didn't Obi Wan spank Anakin?

Originally posted by Bardock42

Still, a lighsaber is so much easier to handle and so much lighter that Aragorn has a severe disadvantage with that alone.

Vader pwns.