Just gonna note that the lightsaber being easier to handle doesn't mean a whole lot considering Vader'modified form V consists of using heavy single strikes. It's not like he can use that weightlessness to twirl it around and stuff like he used too.
As for pre-cog... he was defeated by a man who had never actually recieved any real lightsaber training. 😐
Jutst sayin'
Originally posted by ragesRemorseNot sure what movie you watched. Obi Wan defeated Anakin, by better tactical planning...he didn't whoop his ass in a second.
What about mace windu, Yoda and OBi Wan...,didn't Obi Wan spank Anakin?
And he's not the best, but "one of the".
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Just gonna note that the lightsaber being easier to handle doesn't mean a whole lot considering Vader'modified form V consists of using heavy single strikes. It's not like he can use that weightlessness to twirl it around and stuff like he used too.As for pre-cog... he was defeated by a man who had never actually recieved any real lightsaber training. 😐
Jutst sayin'
With the most powerful force ability ever. Who also, happens to be Vaders son who wanted him to join ergo didn't fight his best. And Luke tapped into the Dark Side to get an incredible boost. Lets not forget them apples, shall we?
Originally posted by NonSensi-KlownLuke had precog, when he blocked the blaster bolts from the speeder bike on Endor he proved this. Also on Jabba's sail barge.
Just gonna note that the lightsaber being easier to handle doesn't mean a whole lot considering Vader'modified form V consists of using heavy single strikes. It's not like he can use that weightlessness to twirl it around and stuff like he used too.As for pre-cog... he was defeated by a man who had never actually recieved any real lightsaber training. 😐
Jutst sayin'
Vader was defeated by his son, who was no slouch, and had his strength enhanced by the dark side.
Unless Vader can greatly increase his speed via the Force when fighting (which I don't recall seeing), Aragorn is far quicker and agile, so he takes this. Aragorn also seems the better swordsman.
I never understood why Vader was made into slow and clumsy moving figure, you'd think with all that technology, they could have upgraded him with faster and more agile robotics.
Originally posted by RobtardHe is actually extremely skilled and also fast in the comics and probably also books. He wasn't intended as clumsy robot...they just didn't have the ability to show him as agile then.
Unless Vader can greatly increase his speed via the Force when fighting (which I don't recall seeing), Aragorn is far quicker and agile, so he takes this. Aragorn also seems the better swordsman.I never understood why Vader was made into slow and clumsy moving figure, you'd think with all that technology, they could have upgraded him with faster and more agile robotics.
I'm telling you, when the live action show comes out (seeing as Lucas lies about everything) we will probably see a CGI Vader kick some serious ass.
Originally posted by Bardock42
He is actually extremely skilled and also fast in the comics and probably also books. He wasn't intended as clumsy robot...they just didn't have the ability to show him as agile then.I'm telling you, when the live action show comes out (seeing as Lucas lies about everything) we will probably see a CGI Vader kick some serious ass.
I've no doubt, as he's supposed to be the blackest badass in the universe, but the movie is the bar we subscribe to. Luke was shown to jump and spin around like a fairy in ROTJ, why didn't they use those same effects on Vader?
Look forward to it, as I'd love to see a Vader live up to his aura of badassery. It's set right after Ep3?
Originally posted by RobtardYeah, betweeen Ep 3 and Ep 4
I've no doubt, as he's supposed to be the blackest badass in the universe, but the movie is the bar we subscribe to. Luke was shown to jump and spin around like a fairy in ROTJ, why didn't they use those same effects on Vader?Look forward to it, as I'd love to see a Vader live up to his aura of badassery. It's set right after Ep3?
But supposedly will not center around Vader or Obi Wan, but more minor characters (maybe Boba Fett or Quinlan Vos)
Their is one thing not really being taken into account here.
Vader's strength and mass.
Combine his great size and strength, along with the amping abilities of the Force, by blocking Vader's blows he will be continuously driven back.
He was able to drive Luke back in ESB with one hand.
He defeated Obi Wan, one of the best duelists in the Order, although Obi Wan was likely out of practice I admit.
Vader is a master duelist, even by Jedi standards, although his agility and athletism suffered when he lost his limbs.
Vader wins IMO.
One smaller cybernetic arm was enough to restrain and choke a full grown man and bring him to his knee, a grown man who was a Jedi Master.
Now, two larger cybernetic arms, combined with the weight and size the cybernetic parts give him, combined with the Force amping powers, will make him much stronger than Aragorn IMO.
Doesn't work that way, Robbie.
The whole "No man can slay me" thing was a prophesy, not a spell. If a man were to take an elvish weapon and jam it through his face he'd die. But the prophecy stated that he would not die by the hand of a dude... so he talked a lot of shit.
Irregardless, I still don't necessarily think he can beat anyone in LotR, at least not without the force.
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Doesn't work that way, Robbie.The whole "No man can slay me" thing was a prophesy, not a spell. If a man were to take an elvish weapon and jam it through his face he'd die. But the prophecy stated that he would not die by the hand of a dude... so he talked a lot of shit.
Irregardless, I still don't necessarily think he can beat anyone in LotR, at least not without the force.
Blackie, we go with what's in the movies, not the books. "No man can kill him", ergo, Vader's penis makes him useless.
But for this fight, Vader would be crushed in one hit from Witch-king's flail. (No outside Force powers and the saber can't cut through weapons)
Originally posted by Robtard
Exactly, so we go by what is said/we know. 'No man can kill him", period.
Except that the Witch-King is a fallible character and is also arrogant. Shall we assume that any bad guy that says "haha. No one can stop me now" is, in fact, unstoppable? What we saw was that Merry stabbed him with a knife and he got ****ed up instantly. He was on his knees and everything.So even if he wasn't killed, he was crippled.