Originally posted by chillmeistergenSo I would guess the average Uruk is at least as strong as the strongest human.
Well, the Uruk Hai are stronger than Orks and also have increased stamina and a resistance to sunlight, making them pretty much hard as nails.The fact is that such versus battles don't really allow for the subtlety of the characters to be fully examined, which is somewhat of a shame, but inevitable. If we can only take what is literally shown, we miss out on a wealth of possibilities, but so be it.
The difference the point about the force makes, is that the power of prophecy is of similar magnitude, but is understated and subtle. However, we are shown the power of prophecy in LOTR, just not in the instance of the Witch King (although he is never killed by a man).
Obviously, yes, a lot of LOTR fans are like that, Star Wars fans can be massively annoying as well, though - particularly when it comes to dismissing other works of fiction.
While that is true, on the other hand, doing what you are suggesting will make some just start speculating out of their asses to the point that the actual debate is so off track and nonsensical it might as well not exist.
True enough, however in vs. matches(at least from my experience) such prophecies tend to be ignored for the sake of the vs. thread. For instance, let's just say it was prophecised that Frodo was the one who would kill Sauron(or disembody, whatever), said prophecy would be ignored for the sake of the vs. thread. Also, one must also wonder the creator of said prophecies, if it was the Valar for instance, then their prophecy could be overuled by a more powerful character in a vs. thread, like make it Galactus vs. Sauron, and the Valar made a prophecy that only Frodo could kill him(not saying this actually happened, just an example), Galactus, who is much more powerful than the Valar, would be able to overule their prophecy.
...But now I am starting to ramble haha.
Okay, this is the prophecy: "Do not pursue him! He will not return to these lands. Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of man will he fall." ... he's saying that he won't die by the hand of a man, which is true, cause he died by the hand of a woman. Now, Vader died by the hand of Luke, does that mean that, IF he had faced someone more powerful he could not die? No, it doesn't, it's a hypothetical. The Witch King doesn't have the skill not to be hurt by anyone with a penis, he just didn't die by the hand of a man (in LOTR).
Again, the comparison of Arthur Dent. Arthur Dent is a typical, weak human, there's nothing special about him, but in "Life, the Universe and Everything" he finds out that he dies on a planet called Stavro Mueller Beta (later revealed to be a Club on Earth). NOW, IF Arthur Dent had faced Darth Vader who intended to kill him, he would not have survived, he dies in Stavro Müller Beta because he has not been killed before. A versus thread is a hypothetical that just deals with the skill of a person not the happenings in their timeline. Vader could kill Arthur Dent. Vader could kill the Witch King. If Vader had ever met the Witch King the prophecy would have been very different, it would have been something along the lines of ""Do not pursue him! He will not return to these lands. Far off yet is his doom, and by the hand of a supreme badass nubian God he shall fall."
Can we leave this ridiculous discussion behind now. PLEASE.
Originally posted by Rogue JediForce Push and Force Pull are offensive force powers.
A question. Thread starter specified "no offensive force powers" for Vader, no question there. Offensive force powers, to me, are force lightning, force choke, force hold, attacks of that nature.Is Vader relieving Aragorn of his sword with the force an offensive force attack?
Originally posted by Bardock42And what exactly does me arguing that Vaders lightsaber can cut through anything, therefore it should be able to cut through a steel sword have to do with his argument? Hmm?
It's nothing personal, you agreeing with one does tend to make the more reasonable posters on KMC a bit uneasy. It's not actually bad though, makes one double check their arguments thoroughly.
Thats right, NOTHING.
I am gonna love your response to this, should be very......well, full of bullshit.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Another thought I had was when the thread starter specified that Aragorn's sword was resistant to Vader's lightsaber, isn't this against movie versus forum rules? After all, a lightsaber can cut through steel blast doors and pretty much anything it comes in contact with, right?
No, it's not.Special stipulations are allowed in fights in the interest of keeping things fair. This thread isn't about what would happen if Vader met Aragorn in a dark Couracant alley way, everyone knows he'd hack his sword in half then destroy him with the force. That's not the point. This thread is more about Vader's dueling abilities versus Aragorn's sword fighting abilities. Not Aragorn vs. Vader in a straight-up match.
I would have just given Vader a Katana, but considering Katana's are heavier and wield differently it wouldn't be fair. This way both combatants can use what they're best with and everything works out.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
A question. Thread starter specified "no offensive force powers" for Vader, no question there. Offensive force powers, to me, are force lightning, force choke, force hold, attacks of that nature.Is Vader relieving Aragorn of his sword with the force an offensive force attack?
As for offensive powers, I mean no push, pull, choke, grabbing Aragorn and other objects. He can not use any abilities that would affect either their surroundings or Aragorn himself.
Originally posted by NonSensi-KlownNo, I know that, I know handicapping ones abilities is commonplace here, but altering ones weapons?
No, it's not.Special stipulations are allowed in fights in the interest of keeping things fair. This thread isn't about what would happen if Vader met Aragorn in a dark Couracant alley way, everyone knows he'd hack his sword in half then destroy him with the force. That's not the point. This thread is more about Vader's dueling abilities versus Aragorn's sword fighting abilities. Not Aragorn vs. Vader in a straight-up match.I would have just given Vader a Katana, but considering Katana's are heavier and wield differently it wouldn't be fair. This way both combatants can use what they're best with and everything works out.
It's not a big deal, it just struck me as odd.
And I missed the post about force pull, my bad.
Altering Vader's weapons is essentially just handicapping him. I had to nerf him enough so that Aragorn would be an equal match.
But a lightsaber can not actually cut through anything, there are objects strong enough to resist it. So really you can just think of it as me upgrading Aragorn's weapon moreso then nerfing Vader,
Originally posted by NonSensi-KlownIs it stated in the SW movies that there are some things that a saber cannot cut through?
Altering Vader's weapons is essentially just handicapping him. I had to nerf him enough so that Aragorn would be an equal match.But a lightsaber can not actually cut through anything, there are objects strong enough to resist it. So really you can just think of it as me upgrading Aragorn's weapon moreso then nerfing Vader,
No, but it's never stated or even implied that it can cut through anything, either. To assume that it can cut through anything because there has yet to be anything in the movies that it has failed to cut through, is a no-limit fallacy. Though the Magna-gaurds staffs are made of phrick metal, and a lightsaber can not cut through that...
Originally posted by NonSensi-KlownBut arent magna staffs surrounded in some electric field or something?
No, but it's never stated or even implied that it can cut through anything, either. To assume that it can cut through anything because there has yet to be anything in the movies that it has failed to cut through, is a no-limit fallacy. Though the Magna-gaurds staffs are made of phrick metal, and a lightsaber can not cut through that...
Looks Like you are right, dude:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/IG-100_MagnaGuard
What the frick is phrik metal? haermm
http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Phrik
Phrik was a metal used by the Galactic Empire to armor its dark troopers. Phrik was extremely durable, capable of absorbing numerous blaster shots before melting.
Phrik alloy was also used later by the New Republic in a limited amount to enforce armoring on their more advanced capital ships.