Originally posted by Dark-JaxxFor one, I dont think this tactic would even be attempted on Thanos because of his awesome willpower and the fact he was Magus' polar opposite. For two,Magus faced off against him and didnt even attempt it.
Because being able to beat an opponent doesn't give you every power the opponent has?
Originally posted by quanchi112
For one, I dont think this tactic would even be attempted on Thanos because of his awesome willpower and the fact he was Magus' polar opposite. For two,Magus faced off against him and didnt even attempt it.
would thanos want to block the soul sucking attack?
if you think about it warlock was able to create quite a good powerbase while in the soulworld. that is while spending most of his time their as a religous hermit/pacifict. imagine the oppertunies thanos would have while in the soulworld.
Thus magus soul sucks Thanos
thanos anexsis the soul world and the soul gem
thanos creates a uber level body for himself slays the magus and gains the soulgem
thanos also uses this opperunity to ressurect as many minnions as he wants to do his bidding.
Originally posted by darthgooberBut its entirely different. Cant you see that? The soulsuck would change Magus for alltime for one. The godblast doesnt change Thor's mind for all time no matter how many times he uses it.
Faulty logic quan. It's no different than saying Thor didn't use a Godblast on Supes because he knew it wouldn't work.
Who has the strongest willpower to which this tactic worked against?
Originally posted by quanchi112
But its entirely different. Cant you see that? The soulsuck would change Magus for alltime for one. The godblast doesnt change Thor's mind for all time no matter how many times he uses it.Who has the strongest willpower to which this tactic worked against?
As to the willpower question, it's irrelevant because it's never been resisted through willpower. Surfer pulled it off because of his past experiences with Mephisto trying similar tactics and because he'd already had his Soul sucked out by the Soul Gem before(when the Supreme Intelligence had it) and managed to escape from the Soul World, but Thanos has no such feats to his credit.
Originally posted by darthgooberSo,if Warlock knew to worry about it wouldnt the Magus also worry about it?
Warlock's knows to be worried about the influence of Thanos's personality because he knows Thanos inside and out from his time in the Soul Gem while Thanos had the IG. All Magus knew about Thanos was that he was Death's Champion and because of that he felt destiny dictated a titanic battle between the two.As to the willpower question, it's irrelevant because it's never been resisted through willpower. Surfer pulled it off because of his past experiences with Mephisto trying similar tactics and because he'd already had his Soul sucked out by the Soul Gem before(when the Supreme Intelligence had it) and managed to escape from the Soul World, but Thanos has no such feats to his credit.
Thanos also had experience with the soul gem which includes his time with the ig itself and his time wit the soul gem when he used it against the goddess.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So,if Warlock knew to worry about it wouldnt the Magus also worry about it?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos also had experience with the soul gem which includes his time with the ig itself and his time wit the soul gem when he used it against the goddess.
Originally posted by darthgooberI think another reason why the Magus wanted him to do it is because it would be one more ste pcloser into becoming the dark side of himself the Magus.
Warlock learned about it after the Magus was long gone and the Magus originated from a timeline where Warlock never learned the lesson, so no. And Warlock has ALWAYS worried about the influx of another being's personality because that's how Warlock is. The Magus on the other hand wholeheartedly supported the tactic, which is why he kept trying to get Warlock to do it back in the day.There's a difference between learning to use something and learning to resist something. Both the Magus(Infinity War version) and the Goddess know how to use the Soul Gem effectively because both of them have Warlock's knowledge of and experience with the gem, but that didn't protect either of them from ending up in the Soul World.
Magus never attempted the tactic against Thanos though. That sticks out to me still.
Yes,but they didnt just oppose the soul gem but a myriad of other characters and factors. The goddess was attacked by Thanos,Xavier,and warlock. The goddess and magus werent complete beings either which hurt them imo. They were only halves of Warlock.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I think another reason why the Magus wanted him to do it is because it would be one more ste pcloser into becoming the dark side of himself the Magus.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Magus never attempted the tactic against Thanos though. That sticks out to me still.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes,but they didnt just oppose the soul gem but a myriad of other characters and factors. The goddess was attacked by Thanos,Xavier,and warlock. The goddess and magus werent complete beings either which hurt them imo. They were only halves of Warlock.
Originally posted by darthgooberNo,but adding their soul to their own is completely different than bfring someone. Especially someone whom Magus believes is his polar opposite.
Sounds like a fair assessment for the most part.Yes but we see characters pass up viable tactics all the time. Does Thanos beating on someone physically mean that he's unable to BFR them or that they're willpower is too strong for him to mind rape them?
The Goddess was attacked on multiple fronts because she had the Cosmic Egg at the time. And the fact that they were incomplete beings didn't have any influence on their ability to use the gems effectively. Don't forget, the Magus actually had Warlock beaten in their contest for control of the Gems until Eternity and Infinity showed up and set his mind reeling.
Yes,the goddess and Magus were both attacked by more than just one character. The Magus or the goddess would have beaten warlock on his own imo and without the massive help that warlock received in both cases.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No,but adding their soul to their own is completely different than bfring someone. Especially someone whom Magus believes is his polar opposite.
You're reading to much into his not using it. You yourself said that it would be out of character for the Magus to Soul Suck Thanos because of the potential repercussions of Thanos's dark personality right? Well THAT'S why he didn't do it, it was out of character for him. It doesn't mean that it wouldn't be successful. I've never said that it was a tactic we'd likely see in a fight between the two, in fact I accounted for the after effects of Thanos's dark personality in my first post...
Originally posted by darthgoober
Interesting question. Things to consider...1.Warlock's expressed concerns over Soul Sucking Thanos because he's afraid the Titan's dark personality will overwhelm him and the soul of one of the Thanosi nearly did just that.
2. The Soul Gem's track record for preforming the tactic successfully is nearly perfect... but not quite. Surfer's managed to both escape the Soul World and to outright resist the tactic before, and we know how Surfer stacks up to Thanos in most respects.
If I had to guess, I'd say that Magus could pull it off since he was an uber experienced/focused classic Warlock, but I think he'd be in store for one Hell off a mental/spiritual battle doing it and God only knows what the addition of the Titan's evil added to his own would be on the Magus's personality.
I've never contended that Magus definitely COULD drain Thanos(though I did say it was likely), I just pointed out the faulty logic of this statement...
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos' will is greater than Magus' imo. There is a reason why he didnt try it in the comic to imo.
Which completely ignores this line of reasoning...
Originally posted by quanchi112
I dont think the Magus would ever dare to try and absorb his polar opposite to his being. Magus was the champion of life while Thanos has been the champion of death. But,seriously if Surfer could avoid this why couldnt Thanos? Thanos will is greater than Magus' imo anyways. Thanos comes out on top.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes,the goddess and Magus were both attacked by more than just one character. The Magus or the goddess would have beaten warlock on his own imo and without the massive help that warlock received in both cases.