Magus Soul Sucks Thanos...

Originally posted by darthgoober
But we DO automatically assume that things work until proven otherwise here on KMC. Mind raping works until a characters shows a specific resistance to it. Transmutation works unless someones shown a resistance to it. Any potential BFRing works until someone shows they can counter it. Thus, Soul Sucking works until a definite counter to it is shown. No counter, no defense.

Surfer's resisting wasn't attributed to his knowledge of the gem, it was attributed to a history of resisting similar attacks from a skyfather level character. Do either Warlock or Thanos have a history of resisting similar attacks from a skyfather level character? No? The the comparison isn't viable...

Don't you assume that an attack from Thanos will KO/kill someone who hasn't resisted attacks on the level he can generate? I haven't seen anyone transmute Aunt May, does that mean that Thanos can't do it?

You haven't provided any actual evidence beyond speculation. At all... so no. I normally stick up for you when people start comparing you to nvr and Trick because your arguments typically have more on panel support than the theories they try to pass off as absolute fact, but now your arguments drifted entirely too far into their territory for my taste and therefor needs to be addressed just as their arguments do.

What's different(not sure what you're addressing here)?

Warlock and Thanos have never been stated on panel as being able replicate Surfer's feat. Since Warlock's Soul was absorbed while Nebula had the Gauntlet and we're going to make leaps of logic with no on panel support then we should assume that she knows and can do everything Warlock could up until the time of the Infinity Gauntlet(including turning Thanos to stone).

Now your jumping back and forth between arguments, and you also seem to be forgetting my actual point in this discussion. In case you've forgotten, this whole thing started because of this statement...

So does Thanos beating on Super Skrull rather than using tp on him mean that Super Skrull's will is greater than Thanos's, or were you using faulty logic when you made that statement?

Aunt May has no powers whatsoever,I think thats a pretty poor example.

Your assuming something would happen with no proof whatsoever that it would. Your acting like I have to prove to you it wouldnt work. It cant be proven either way. With the access to Warlocks' memories and his own personal use of the soul gem I feel he can resist it. You disagree but have no proof as well.

No,I dont assume she can do anything that Warlock can do. She never held the soul gem by itself and isnt as intelligent as Thanos or Warlock who was stated as having access to all warlock's memories while Nebula has never been stated to have access to the memories.

When has Superskrull demonstrated a powerful will? I know Thanos has but when has Superskrull?

Originally posted by quanchi112
No,not with the circumstances involved with the characters in this thread. Whether or not it will work or not is speculation either way until someone writes it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Aunt May has no powers whatsoever,I think thats a pretty poor example.

Originally posted by quanchi112
our assuming something would happen with no proof whatsoever that it would. Your acting like I have to prove to you it wouldnt work. It cant be proven either way. With the access to Warlocks' memories and his own personal use of the soul gem I feel he can resist it. You disagree but have no proof as well.

I don't have to prove anything because I haven't made any claims, I just keep pointing out how your claims baseless.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No,I dont assume she can do anything that Warlock can do. She never held the soul gem by itself and isnt as intelligent as Thanos or Warlock who was stated as having access to all warlock's memories while Nebula has never been stated to have access to the memories.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When has Superskrull demonstrated a powerful will? I know Thanos has but when has Superskrull?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I didn't see a stipulation that placed this thread of the jurisdiction of standard procedure so who lied to you and said thit it was your decision as to whether or not a thread was the exception to the rule 😐 ?

She might, just like Thanos MIGHT be able to resist the effect despite it never being suggested. But if the no powers thing is that big of a hangup, you can substitute someone like Jubilee. Hell why even get specific about it... do you agree that Thanos is unable to transmute or mind rape any super powered being who hasn't already been transmuted or mind raped on panel in the past?

You don't have to prove that it won't work because the only way to actually do that would be to show a scan of Thanos resisting it and no such scans exist. What you have to prove is that Thanos has some method of defense against such tactics because you're the one who's trying to remove the possibility of it working from the table by saying that it definitely won't work. And why? Because one character in the history of comics has resisted the attack.

I don't have to prove anything because I haven't made any claims, I just keep pointing out how your claims baseless.

No she held the whole damn IG, I think that omniscience would give a better idea of the gems capabilities than learning via memory transfer.

When Thanos wasn't able to use tp on him.

It wasnt mentioned on panel while it was mentioned when Thanos possessed only the soul gem. That has nothing to do with this thread. Thats the point.

The reason I think it wont work is because of Thanos' use of the soul gem AND HIS ACCESS TO WARLOCK'S MEMORIES. You feel differently but its up to each person to make up their own mind.

We dont know if nebula can or cant. Thanos held both the ig for a longer period of time and the soul gem with access to Warlock's memories. Im sure Nebua cant remember everything she learned when weilding the ig but if you think she can thats on you.

Superskrull is another matter entirely. You keep trying to change the subject,why?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I told you my opinion based on the facts with regards to this specific thread.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos' will is greater than Magus' imo. There is a reason why he didnt try it in the comic to imo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It wasnt mentioned on panel while it was mentioned when Thanos possessed only the soul gem. That has nothing to do with this thread. Thats the point.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The reason I think it wont work is because of Thanos' use of the soul gem AND HIS ACCESS TO WARLOCK'S MEMORIES. You feel differently but its up to each person to make up their own mind.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We dont know if nebula can or cant. Thanos held both the ig for a longer period of time and the soul gem with access to Warlock's memories. Im sure Nebua cant remember everything she learned when weilding the ig but if you think she can thats on you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superskrull is another matter entirely. You keep trying to change the subject,why?

I'm not trying to change the subject, you just don't seem to understand what the subject actually is. The whole reason we got lost in a bunch of tangents is because your sidestepping the real topic because you want to hold Thanos to a different standard than every other character in existence. Let's review...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos' will is greater than Magus' imo. There is a reason why he didnt try it in the comic to imo.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Faulty logic quan. It's no different than saying Thor didn't use a Godblast on Supes because he knew it wouldn't work.

I never had an issue with your opinion as to whether or not Thanos can resist the tactic until you started spouting nonsense. My primary issue is with logic that you're happy to endorse FOR Thanos but continuously sidestep when it's used AGAINST Thanos. I'll ask again...

Since Thanos never tried to mind rape, transmute, or drain the life force of the Super Skrull it must mean that he knows he can't do it successfully, right?

Come on, I'm give you one more chance to redeem yourself and concede gracefully by admitting that it's faulty logic to assume Magus didn't soul suck Thanos because he knew it wouldn't work. You don't have to admit that it WOULD work, just that it was erroneous to attribute the reasoning to their battle.

Edit.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And I have no problems with most of your opinions. I have no problem with your personally believing whatever you want about Thanos(I know you will anyway). The whole debate as to whether or not the tactic would be successful is just a tangent that we got lost in as you sidestepped more and more away from the actual topic at hand. I entered this because of the faulty logic in this statement...

What? I don't know what you're addressing here.

If you want to make faulty assumptions that cater to double standards and aren't based on actual proof then that's on you, it's up to you as to how seriously you're debating skills taken around here(I don't care).

And we don't know that it's even remotely possible for Thanos to resist the Soul Gem as Surfer did. So my baseless claim is just as justified and valid as yours is(and will likely be brought up in future threads by others, I'd wager there's already someone toying with the idea of creating a Nebula vs Thanos thread in fact).

Again,if you disagree wit me thats fine but to continue to argue over something we cant prove or disprove seems to be a waste of time.

I'm not trying to change the subject, you just don't seem to understand what the subject actually is. The whole reason we got lost in a bunch of tangents is because your sidestepping the real topic because you want to hold Thanos to a different standard than every other character in existence. Let's review...

I never had an issue with your opinion as to whether or not Thanos can resist the tactic until you started spouting nonsense. My primary issue is with logic that you're happy to endorse FOR Thanos but continuously sidestep when it's used AGAINST Thanos. I'll ask again...

Since Thanos never tried to mind rape, transmute, or drain the life force of the Super Skrull it must mean that he knows he can't do it successfully, right?

Come on, I'm give you one more chance to redeem yourself and concede gracefully by admitting that it's faulty logic to assume Magus didn't soul suck Thanos because he knew it wouldn't work. You don't have to admit that it WOULD work, just that it was erroneous to attribute the reasoning to their battle.

I was saying that the Magus wouldnt even attempt this tactic imo due to Thanos' willpower and powerful personality.

I could care less if someone else baits me in another thread. You seem to be taking this to personally. I have given you scans and a line of reasoning why this tactic wouldnt be attempted and if it were why it wouldnt work. You choose to disagree but cannot prove your argument either.

The Superskrull is an entirely different issue and doesnt have the circumstances surrounding that as this thread does.

Im not saying he knows it wouldnt work especially at the time because Thanos hadnt had access to his memories and hadnt personally possessed the soul gem. I think he didnt try it due to his personality but since then Thanos has changed and had personal experience with the soul gem.

Again,there is no double standard when you look at all the circumstances that are associated with this particular thread.

Originally posted by Cavalier
Edit.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You were speculating as to whether Nebula would have all of Warlock's memories like Thanos had. i dont think so because her mind was fluttered with a million other things as she was adjusting to godhood.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I was saying that the Magus wouldnt even attempt this tactic imo due to Thanos' willpower and powerful personality.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Whether or not it would be "in character" for him to try the technique is irrelevant because this isn't a battle thread.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok,I still dont think it would work on Thanos.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Based on, oh yeah, nothing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos' will is greater than Magus' imo. There is a reason why he didnt try it in the comic to imo.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Faulty logic quan. It's no different than saying Thor didn't use a Godblast on Supes because he knew it wouldn't work.

Originally posted by quanchi112
But its entirely different. Cant you see that? The soulsuck would change Magus for alltime for one. The godblast doesnt change Thor's mind for all time no matter how many times he uses it.

Who has the strongest willpower to which this tactic worked against?

You acknowledged what you were really saying when you started talking about how Thor's Godblast was a different scenario. And we already established that you knew that "in character" wasn't a factor in this fight so don't try to play that card.

Seriously, you lost this debate for yourself a long time ago. It's better to admit your previous error in logic and try to avoid others like it in the future. It happens to the best of us(even me sometimes) so there's no shame in it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I could care less if someone else baits me in another thread. You seem to be taking this to personally. I have given you scans and a line of reasoning why this tactic wouldnt be attempted and if it were why it wouldnt work. You choose to disagree but cannot prove your argument either.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The Superskrull is an entirely different issue and doesnt have the circumstances surrounding that as this thread does.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Im not saying he knows it wouldnt work especially at the time because Thanos hadnt had access to his memories and hadnt personally possessed the soul gem. I think he didnt try it due to his personality but since then Thanos has changed and had personal experience with the soul gem.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos' will is greater than Magus' imo. There is a reason why he didnt try it in the comic to imo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Magus never attempted the tactic against Thanos though. That sticks out to me still.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Magus was the champion of life while he viewed Thanos as the champion of death. So, in his mind they were defined in a weird sort of way by their causes. Magus being the champion of life wouldnt absorb the champion of death into his personality. Especially due to the fact that Thanos' willpower is so damn strong.

So if you weren't saying that it would be out of character for Thanos(since we'd already established that it didn't matter) and you weren't implying that the fight was proof that Magus knew Thanos's willpower was to great for it to work, then what the f*ck WERE you saying exactly?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again,there is no double standard when you look at all the circumstances that are associated with this particular thread.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He ended up in the Soul World after she'd adjusted enough to take down the abstracts. I don't think here mind was all that fluttered from the influx at that point seeing as how he was having a conversation with Thanos when it happened.

It's pretty obvious what you were saying when this whole thing started...

You acknowledged what you were really saying when you started talking about how Thor's Godblast was a different scenario. And we already established that you knew that "in character" wasn't a factor in this fight so don't try to play that card.

Seriously, you lost this debate for yourself a long time ago. It's better to admit your previous error in logic and try to avoid others like it in the future. It happens to the best of us(even me sometimes) so there's no shame in it.

Oh no, I'm not taking it personally. I've had too many similar debates with nvr and Trick for this to get to me. And again, I don't have an argument about it because I feel no strong convictions about it one way or the other, I'm only addressing the faulty reasoning that brought me here.

I believe I've covered this.

Would you like to see how many times you brought the Magus/Thanos fight AFTER you admitted that the thread wasn't about whether it would be "in character" for Thanos to do it...

So if you weren't saying that it would be out of character for Thanos(since we'd already established that it didn't matter) and you weren't implying that the fight was proof that Magus knew Thanos's willpower was to great for it to work, then what the f*ck WERE you saying exactly?

I'm seeing plenty since you still haven't outright admitted that the Magus/Thanos battle in no way indicates that Magus was unable to preform the tactic successfully. I mean if you were never using the battle as proof, then why are you so hesitant to make the admission? Could it be that you plan on holding on to that double standard to use in future Thanos debates so you don't want to admit fault with it now...

I explained myself in this thread and why I feel that Magus wouldnt even attempt it.

My point is that during the Magus fight it was obvious that the Magus saw them as opposites and champions of life and death. These words came out of Magus' own mouth. Magus obviously is a futuristic version of Warlock and knew how dangerous it would be to absorb his soul into his own,so why would that change?

What proof do you have?

I dont think it would work based on his experience with the gem and his access to his memories for this particular thread. i have explained myself up and down again.

Originally posted by quanchi112
My point is that she wouldn't remember these things after she lost the ig for a future battle imo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I explained myself in this thread and why I feel that Magus wouldn't even attempt it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Magus was the champion of life while he viewed Thanos as the champion of death. So, in his mind they were defined in a weird sort of way by their causes. Magus being the champion of life wouldn't absorb the champion of death into his personality. Especially due to the fact that Thanos' willpower is so damn strong.

Originally posted by quanchi112
My point is that during the Magus fight it was obvious that the Magus saw them as opposites and champions of life and death. These words came out of Magus' own mouth. Magus obviously is a futuristic version of Warlock and knew how dangerous it would be to absorb his soul into his own,so why would that change?

[img=http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1445/warlock0903pe4.th.jpg]

...he remembers everything that's going on because he's Warlock's future self. But as he explains to Thanos here...

[img=http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5436/warlock1018lb0.th.jpg]

...he only knows about Thanos because if his Intelligence Service. Thanos was never supposed to meet Adam Warlock originally so the Magus had none of current Warlock's knowledge of him.

Read the comics, not just the respect thread.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What proof do you have?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I dont think it would work based on his experience with the gem and his access to his memories for this particular thread. i have explained myself up and down again.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Proof that users of the soul suck retain memories indefinitely?

Quan, you were specifically attributing Magus not using because of Thanos's willpower...

See you're speculating and you don't even actually know the back story. The original Magus sprang from a timeline in which Adam didn't encounter Thanos. As Magus explains to Warlock here...

[img=http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1445/warlock0903pe4.th.jpg]

...he remembers everything that's going on because he's Warlock's future self. But as he explains to Thanos here...

[img=http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5436/warlock1018lb0.th.jpg]

...he only knows about Thanos because if his Intelligence Service. Thanos was never supposed to meet Adam Warlock originally so the Magus had none of current Warlock's knowledge of him.

Read the comics, not just the respect thread.

Of what?

Is the fight between Magus and Thanos proof that the Magus knew the tactic won't work or not? Come on, no more sidestepping.

I,thought maybe for the purposes of this thread that Magus would have knowledge of Thanos as we are comparing Magus to the most current Thanos pre-annihilation death,but I guess we are not. Fine by me. Its rather humorous that you would think Id be gathering my information from a respect thread when I dont even know if all of these scans I keep putting up on are there. You fail again. That seems like its the common theme here.

Your own scan put up shows the Magus walking right into Thanos' plan. He foolishly thinks he will exist when all of this is all said and done. We know he doesnt quite make it and that Thanos stands triumphant. He also gets rather acquainted with him later in this story and realizes its his destiny to do battle with him. Magus still has an understanding of how the gem works having absorbed souls before and Im sure would understand the harm of absorbing the champion of death into his own character. Common sense,me thinks. Too bad for him he loses. 😉

Here is the scan where Magus realizes this.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock11-12-1.jpg

Id say he understands how powerful Thanos is if he deems him the champion of the opposing cause wouldnt you? If he is the champion of life and Thanos is the champion of death wouldnt that make them equal in terms of personality? Oh and Thanos comes out on top just to remind ya. 😛

I asked what proof do you have that Nebula has retained all the memories of Warlock using the soul gem? Where was this mentioned in a comic?

Thanos has gained experience with the soul gem and understands the full potential of it.

Here is a scan of Thanos calling Warlock a fool and since the Magus never obtains the ig, I think its safe to say that Magus has the least amount of understanding of the soul gem out of Thanos,Warlock and the Magus. I think thats a fair assessment.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thanos_Quest_2_42.jpg

Fortunately a true image like truth itself, is a subjective concept,one to be accepted or rejected depending on the viewer's prejudices,so......

DARTHGOOBER, I REJECT YOUR TRUTH!

Originally posted by quanchi112
Im saying that it was stated specifically in Thanos' cases that he retained Warlock's memories. It was never stated in Nebula's or any one elses case. Keep speculating and throwing worthless,random questions at me that are off topic here and are completely speculative.

I,thought maybe for the purposes of this thread that Magus would have knowledge of Thanos as we are comparing Magus to the most current Thanos pre-annihilation death,but I guess we are not. Fine by me. Its rather humorous that you would think Id be gathering my information from a respect thread when I dont even know if all of these scans I keep putting up on are there. You fail again. That seems like its the common theme here.

Your own scan put up shows the Magus walking right into Thanos' plan. He foolishly thinks he will exist when all of this is all said and done. We know he doesnt quite make it and that Thanos stands triumphant. He also gets rather acquainted with him later in this story and realizes its his destiny to do battle with him. Magus still has an understanding of how the gem works having absorbed souls before and Im sure would understand the harm of absorbing the champion of death into his own character. Common sense,me thinks. Too bad for him he loses. 😉

Here is the scan where Magus realizes this.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Warlock11-12-1.jpg

Id say he understands how powerful Thanos is if he deems him the champion of the opposing cause wouldnt you? If he is the champion of life and Thanos is the champion of death wouldnt that make them equal in terms of personality? Oh and Thanos comes out on top just to remind ya. 😛

I asked what proof do you have that Nebula has retained all the memories of Warlock using the soul gem? Where was this mentioned in a comic?

Thanos has gained experience with the soul gem and understands the full potential of it.

Here is a scan of Thanos calling Warlock a fool and since the Magus never obtains the ig, I think its safe to say that Magus has the least amount of understanding of the soul gem out of Thanos,Warlock and the Magus. I think thats a fair assessment.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thanos_Quest_2_42.jpg

Fortunately a true image like truth itself, is a subjective concept,one to be accepted or rejected depending on the viewer's prejudices,so......

DARTHGOOBER, I REJECT YOUR TRUTH!

Originally posted by darthgoober
Is the fight between Magus and Thanos proof that the Magus knew the tactic won't work or not? Come on, no more sidestepping.

Originally posted by darthgoober

You throw up one scan before Magus has even faced off against Thanos and think you won the debate. Its sad because I corrected you time and time again. I have given you a detailed reasoning for why I came to my conclusions and you choose to disagree, which is fine. But again like I said,I reject your truth.

🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nice dodge. Look if you dont want to play anymore drop it. You keep bringing it up.

You throw up one scan before Magus has even faced off against Thanos and think you won the debate. Its sad because I corrected you time and time again. I have given you a detailed reasoning for why I came to my conclusions and you choose to disagree, which is fine. But again like I said,I reject your truth.

🙂

Originally posted by darthgoober
It's pretty obvious who's been dodging this whole time, and who still is for that matter. Is it valid proof or not? If you never meant to contend that the Magus/Thanos fight was proof that the Magus knew it wouldn't work then you have nothing to lose except the ability to say that it is in the future.

I gave you my opinion. Why would the Magus absorb the soul of someone who represents everything he is not? Why? Lets forget about the thread title for a minute and please answer that question. You know my opinion about this thread and I know yours.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I responded to your entire post and you didnt respond to mine at all.

I gave you my opinion. Why would the Magus absorb the soul of someone who represents everything he is not? Why? Lets forget about the thread title for a minute and please answer that question. You know my opinion about this thread and I know yours.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Your post is full of nothing but sidestepping of the actual topic of OUR discussion(I've said repeatedly that I don't feel strongly about the thread one way or the other) and I don't feel like debating against yet another person who makes claims without evidence right now so I'm sticking with the actual point of our discussion because it boils down to a very simple question. Now do you consider the Magus not using the tactic against Thanos as valid evidence that the tactic wouldn't work or not? Answer that and then we might be able to move on to another point but I refuse to do that while you're leaving yourself a backdoor out.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have already been over this with you. I simply dont know if it would have worked at that particular time. Thanos didnt have the experience with the soul gem at that point, but I dont think the Magus would have even dared to take in the soul of the champion of death while he himself is the champion of life.

In other words, do you think we should assume that that Magus knew he couldn't successfully preform the tactic on Thanos since he never did it during their fight? A one word answer, that's all that's necessary. Answer one way or the other and after I finish the errands I'm about to have to run we can talk about our opinions as to WHY we feel the way we do in regards to the topic of the actual thread.

quan, your getting son'd. just concede.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No statements that can be twisted later, just a yes or no answer. Is the fight proof or not? I'm not asking you to admit that the tactic would or wouldn't have worked, I'm asking if the lack of a tactic appearing in a comic when it's available is proof that the tactic won't work?

In other words, do you think we should assume that that Magus knew he couldn't successfully preform the tactic on Thanos since he never did it during their fight? A one word answer, that's all that's necessary. Answer one way or the other and after I finish the errands I'm about to have to run we can talk about our opinions as to WHY we feel the way we do in regards to the topic of the actual thread.

This thread isnt about that Thanos vs that Magus. Its about pre-death annihilation Thanos vs that Magus.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
quan, your getting son'd. just concede.