Magus Soul Sucks Thanos...

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did I ever say it was the end all be all proof that this tactic wouldnt work? I have given you my opinion regarding this whole affair over and over again.

If you never said it and you don't actually believe then just say "No, it's not proof".

Originally posted by quanchi112
This thread isnt about that Thanos vs that Magus. Its about pre-death annihilation Thanos vs that Magus.

And I'm going to discuss that with you until you close the door behind you and admit that Magus not attempting the tactic is in NO way proof that it wouldn't have worked. I refuse to start an actual discussion only to have you backtrack later tonight and try to say "But if Magus thought it could have worked successfully then why didn't he try it it when they fought".

Originally posted by darthgoober
If you never said it and you don't actually believe then just say "No, it's not proof".

And I'm going to discuss that with you until you close the door behind you and admit that Magus not attempting the tactic is in NO way proof that it wouldn't have worked. I refuse to start an actual discussion only to have you backtrack later tonight and try to say "But if Magus thought it could have worked successfully then why didn't he try it it when they fought".

I dont know why you keep asking me something which I never claimed.

Thats fine concede away. I have already responded to everything you threw my way while you havent responded to everything thrown your way.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I dont know why you keep asking me something which I never claimed.

Thats fine concede away. I have already responded to everything you threw my way while you havent responded to everything thrown your way.

Sure you did. We'll review the evidence in reverse order so it becomes crystal clear...

Originally posted by quanchi112
But its entirely different. Cant you see that? The soulsuck would change Magus for alltime for one. The godblast doesnt change Thor's mind for all time no matter how many times he uses it.

Who has the strongest willpower to which this tactic worked against?

And what point are you addressing when you're giving your reasoning as to the differences between the Godblast and Soul Sucking...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Faulty logic quan. It's no different than saying Thor didn't use a Godblast on Supes because he knew it wouldn't work.

And what statement prompted my pointing out faulty logic on your part...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos' will is greater than Magus' imo. There is a reason why he didnt try it in the comic to imo.

And what statement made you feel the need to say that...

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Based on, oh yeah, nothing.

And what statement did you make that Jaxx felt was baseless...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok,I still dont think it would work on Thanos.

And what prompted the partial concession(the "OK"😉 on your part...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Whether or not it would be "in character" for him to try the technique is irrelevant because this isn't a battle thread.

Now we'll take it slow so nobody has any problems keeping up.

Phase 1. darthgoober points out that whether or not the Soul Sucking technique would be "in character is irrelevant and quanchi agrees but interjects that he still doesn't believe the tactic would work.

Phase 2. Jaxx says that quanchi's assessment is baseless and quanchi then brings up Thanos's willpower and the fact that the Magus never attempted the tactic when they fought.

Phase 3. darthgoober points out that quanchi's logic is faulty and draws a parallel using Thor's lack of utilization of the Godblast against Superman. quanchi then DEFENDS the logic by pointing out all the ways that he feels that the Soul Sucking technique differs from the Godblast.

You didn't come right out and say plane as day but the implication was obvious and repeated throughout the thread...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Magus never attempted the tactic against Thanos though. That sticks out to me still.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Magus was the champion of life while he viewed Thanos as the champion of death. So, in his mind they were defined in a weird sort of way by their causes. Magus being the champion of life wouldnt absorb the champion of death into his personality. Especially due to the fact that Thanos' willpower is so damn strong.

And before you try to say that it was all in my head(the only defense you now have left)...

Originally posted by Cavalier
lolz at Quan's constant dodging.

Originally posted by Priest
👆

😂

Originally posted by psycho gundam
quan, your getting son'd. just concede.

Anyway, if you never made the claim and you don't really believe it to be true, then you should have no problem admitting that Magus's refraining from using the tactic in no way proves that he knew he couldn't do it successfully.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Sure you did. We'll review the evidence in reverse order so it becomes crystal clear...

And what point are you addressing when you're giving your reasoning as to the differences between the Godblast and Soul Sucking...

And what statement prompted my pointing out faulty logic on your part...

And what statement made you feel the need to say that...

And what statement did you make that Jaxx felt was baseless...

And what prompted the partial concession(the "OK"😉 on your part...

Now we'll take it slow so nobody has any problems keeping up.

Phase 1. darthgoober points out that whether or not the Soul Sucking technique would be "in character is irrelevant and quanchi agrees but interjects that he still doesn't believe the tactic would work.

Phase 2. Jaxx says that quanchi's assessment is baseless and quanchi then brings up Thanos's willpower and the fact that the Magus never attempted the tactic when they fought.

Phase 3. darthgoober points out that quanchi's logic is faulty and draws a parallel using Thor's lack of utilization of the Godblast against Superman. quanchi then DEFENDS the logic by pointing out all the ways that he feels that the Soul Sucking technique differs from the Godblast.

You didn't come right out and say plane as day but the implication was obvious and repeated throughout the thread...

And before you try to say that it was all in my head(the only defense you now have left)...

Anyway, if you never made the claim and you don't really believe it to be true, then you should have no problem admitting that Magus's refraining from using the tactic in no way proves that he knew he couldn't do it successfully.

Ok,so now you want to debate this again. Man this has really gotten to you.

The godblast and the soul suck are two entirely different attacks. For one the godblast doesnt change or alter Thor's being for all-time. The soul suck does. Are you beginning to comprehend it now. The soul-suck is always a last option type of maneuver because it will change that person for all time. Thats why they are different. This is common sense.

For a forum battle the godblast is an option against Superman. It would imo kill him but it wouldnt alter Thor's being. But a soul suck would alter your entire being.

Now you are quoting others on this quest to prove nothing. I have given you my reasoning as to why it wouldnt work on Thanos. You choose to ignore it. Thats on you.

phase1. I argued why it isnt in character to why magus wouldnt attempt this on Thanos. This is regardless of the thread which I have already given my reasoning on.

phase2. Thanos' willpower and his strong personality has a lot to do with it. At the time of their battle Thanos was the champion of death while Magus represented life. Life and death are polar opposites. Thanos also won and blocked Magus' creation. Thanos' willpower has merged and become all powerful when it meshed with heart. His experiences with the soul gem,the infinity gems,and power in general seems to dwarf Magus'.

phase3.I explained myself over and back again. Then you continue to pull up old posts to try and prove some worthless point.

I could care less about anyone elses opinions this is between you and me. You quoting them shows me how desperate you have become.
Your asking me to answer something I never claimed. You keep on doing it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok,so now you want to debate this again. Man this has really gotten to you.

The godblast and the soul suck are two entirely different attacks. For one the godblast doesnt change or alter Thor's being for all-time. The soul suck does. Are you beginning to comprehend it now. The soul-suck is always a last option type of maneuver because it will change that person for all time. Thats why they are different. This is common sense.

For a forum battle the godblast is an option against Superman. It would imo kill him but it wouldnt alter Thor's being. But a soul suck would alter your entire being.

Now you are quoting others on this quest to prove nothing. I have given you my reasoning as to why it wouldnt work on Thanos. You choose to ignore it. Thats on you.

phase1. I argued why it isnt in character to why magus wouldnt attempt this on Thanos. This is regardless of the thread which I have already given my reasoning on.

phase2. Thanos' willpower and his strong personality has a lot to do with it. At the time of their battle Thanos was the champion of death while Magus represented life. Life and death are polar opposites. Thanos also won and blocked Magus' creation. Thanos' willpower has merged and become all powerful when it meshed with heart. His experiences with the soul gem,the infinity gems,and power in general seems to dwarf Magus'.

phase3.I explained myself over and back again. Then you continue to pull up old posts to try and prove some worthless point.

I could care less about anyone elses opinions this is between you and me. You quoting them shows me how desperate you have become.
Your asking me to answer something I never claimed. You keep on doing it.

Just keep on dodging there quan. Look meup for a serious discussion when you've learned to debate properly 😂 .

Originally posted by darthgoober
Just keep on dodging there quan. Look meup for a serious discussion when you've learned to debate properly 😂 .

I answered you. But I accept your concession and knew youd concede sooner or later. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
I answered you. But I accept your concession and knew youd concede sooner or later. 🙂

I didn't concede anything but your inability to debate with the grown ups. Once you've learned how to do that we can try to have an intelligent conversation but as it stands I've already wasted too much time against someone who's obviously seeking recognition as a knockoff of nvr. So give me a call when you decide to impersonate someone with a brain in their head and we can have a serious discussion about the Magus and Thanos 😉 .

Originally posted by darthgoober
I didn't concede anything but your inability to debate with the grown ups. Once you've learned how to do that we can try to have an intelligent conversation but as it stands I've already wasted too much time against someone who's obviously seeking recognition as a knockoff of nvr. So give me a call when you decide to impersonate someone with a brain in their head and we can have a serious discussion about the Magus and Thanos 😉 .

Goober I responded to everything you stated.

You should keep the insults out of your posts and stick to the topic at hand. It seems you had no proof and were pulling an aster tactic on me when we couldnt prove it either way. I really see you as someone who gets to emotionally tied into these threads which is a shame.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Goober I responded to everything you stated.

You should keep the insults out of your posts and stick to the topic at hand. It seems you had no proof and were pulling an aster tactic on me when we couldnt prove it either way. I really see you as someone who gets to emotionally tied into these threads which is a shame.

No you didn't...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Is the fight between Magus and Thanos proof that the Magus knew the tactic won't work or not? Come on, no more sidestepping.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No you didn't...

I said it isnt conclusive proof either way. We simply dont know and can only guess if it would have worked or if it wouldnt have worked.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I said it isnt conclusive proof either way. We simply dont know and can only guess if it would have worked or if it wouldnt have worked.

So just so we're absolutely clear, you're saying that a character refraining from using a particular tactic in combat is in no way proof that the tactic won't be successful unless it's specifically mentioned on panel, correct?

Originally posted by darthgoober
So just so we're absolutely clear, you're saying that a character refraining from using a particular tactic in combat is in no way proof that the tactic won't be successful unless it's specifically mentioned on panel, correct?

When did I say that that definitively proved that it wouldnt work? I factored that in for myself personally along with everything else I discussed and thought it would be out of character for him to try it at that time. But I dont know if it would have worked or not at that particular time prior to Thanos' experience with the soul gem and the ig.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did I say that that definitively proved that it wouldnt work? I factored that in for myself personally along with everything else I discussed and thought it would be out of character for him to try it at that time. But I dont know if it would have worked or not at that particular time prior to Thanos' experience with the soul gem and the ig.

Let's not backtrack and have to start the whiole thing over again. I don't care if you want to contend that you never meant to imply that(onlookers can decide for themselves as far as I'm concerned), all I care about is the answer to this question that way I know we're on the same page...

Originally posted by darthgoober
So just so we're absolutely clear, you're saying that a character refraining from using a particular tactic in combat is in no way proof that the tactic won't be successful unless it's specifically mentioned on panel, correct?

Saying yes doesn't necessarily mean that you're were wrong before(again, I'll let others decide that for themselves as to the implication), just that you admit you WILL be wrong if you ever use that logic in the future or in another thread.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Let's not backtrack and have to start the whiole thing over again. I don't care if you want to contend that you never meant to imply that(onlookers can decide for themselves as far as I'm concerned), all I care about is the answer to this question that way I know we're on the same page...

Saying yes doesn't necessarily mean that you're were wrong before(again, I'll let others decide that for themselves as to the implication), just that you admit you WILL be wrong if you ever use that logic in the future or in another thread.

I have answered your question. I never use the words always and never as there are usually exceptions. I try to look at things from a case by case standpoint.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have answered your question. I never use the words always and never as there are usually exceptions. I try to look at things from a case by case standpoint.

No you didn't and you're purposefully avoiding doing so. It's a yes or no question, is it acceptable logic or not?

Originally posted by darthgoober
No you didn't and you're purposefully avoiding doing so. It's a yes or no question, is it acceptable logic or not?

It depends on the circumstances. I have already told you that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It depends on the circumstances. I have already told you that.

And under what circumstances do you consider it acceptable to assume that a character's failure to use a tactic in battle against a specific enemy is proof of the character's foreknowledge that he can't preform the tactic successfully against his opponent or that the tactic flatout won't work against his opponent regardless of who's trying it?

Originally posted by darthgoober
And under what circumstances do you consider it acceptable to assume that a character's failure to use a tactic in battle against a specific enemy is proof of the characters foreknowledge that he can't preform the tactic successfully against his opponent or that the tactic flatout won't work against his opponent regardless of who's trying it?

At the time of the battle Id say no. I dont know whether it would have worked or not. I also dont know whether the Magus would have avoided this tactic because he saw him as the champion of the opposite cause. A champion of life absorbing a champion of death would change your entire way of thinking.

Originally posted by quanchi112
At the time of the battle Id say no. I dont know whether it would have worked or not. I also dont know whether the Magus would have avoided this tactic because he saw him as the champion of the opposite cause. A champion of life absorbing a champion of death would change your entire way of thinking.

You're bringing up the Thanos/Magus battle again and it's irrelevant to the question(which has to do with the standards applied to forum fights).

WHEN is it acceptable? I'm looking for an example of an acceptable situation to do it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
You're bringing up the Thanos/Magus battle again and it's irrelevant to the question(which has to do with the standards applied to forum fights).

WHEN is it acceptable? I'm looking for an example of an acceptable situation to do it.

Id say something like Mephisto trying to take Galactus' soul. He wouldnt attempt it because he would realize it wouldnt work imo and not waste the effort.