Silver Surfer(exiles) vs. Trinity Superman

My god.....
1) I never said anything about him holding back any power. Superman can't just go Light speed. I'm sure you can't prove he can. Your probably going to post the wrong picture. Here are some Pictures an proof SS would pwn Superman.

Travel’s a just over a light year in seconds(or less)
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...tlet0442nt1.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...tlet0443pu8.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...tlet0444le1.jpg

Travels half a million light years in seconds
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...rvol3006us8.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...rvol3007nn1.jpg

Another “light years in seconds” feat
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8551/ff41315hc7.jpg

Crosses universe
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...lavers06vb5.jpg

Can travel to any dimension he’s been to
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/...hor44322zs5.jpg

Originally posted by kakuzu
Wrong again. I don't know if you took the time to read the comic but it clearly shows Superman DODGING THE PUNCH and hitting Doomsday later on. He doesn't show to vibrate his molecules. Again the is Flashes only move.

Okay he used Super speed on Ultraman and still got pwned? SS is more powerful the Ultraman.

Superman can't vibrate his molecules.

Dude...he vibrated his body I mean...its either a case of u accepting it or u not accepting it.At anyrate any particular reason why u think SS can beast Ultra and Superwomen both at the sametime and in the manner he did. You still havnt addressed a single issue, u hant proven SS MA skill, u still havnt shown SS combat speed and u still have havnt proven his striking power.

Galen, you're saying he can vibrate his molecules and that'll help give Supes the win. I think that's been disproven by kakuzu.

What else do you think would give Supes the win, so we'll better understand your points?

Wow. I don't think anything will get through to you. Tell me why name your self after Galactus original name who was the person who made SS then be a Superman fanatic?

The reason I say this is because you make things up, you don't prove points(Logical ones anyway) if you do have something you believe is right you keep repeating it even when its wrong. Why?

If you think Superman wins say something real. Say something with truth. Say something that doesn't annoy every one else around because it isn't true.

Originally posted by kakuzu
My god.....
1) I never said anything about him holding back any power. Superman can't just go Light speed. I'm sure you can't prove he can. Your probably going to post the wrong picture. Here are some Pictures an proof SS would pwn Superman.

Travel’s a just over a light year in seconds(or less)
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...tlet0442nt1.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...tlet0443pu8.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...tlet0444le1.jpg

Travels half a million light years in seconds
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...rvol3006us8.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...rvol3007nn1.jpg

Another “light years in seconds” feat
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8551/ff41315hc7.jpg

Crosses universe
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...lavers06vb5.jpg

Can travel to any dimension he’s been to
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/...hor44322zs5.jpg

So you're not even going to look into the sacrifice fight or even the exmaple of him flying to saturn in only a few minutes where it would take light up to 14 mintues or so. You guys have just remained with this"Well SS has so many ways to beat him"attitude without actually going into detail how he would win. Supes has superior MA skill,combat speed and striking power. Besides what does travel speed have to do with combat speed, show me at least one scan of SS fighting in superspeed or anything close to FTL....seriously do guys even know what the hell SS and Supes powersets are lol.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So you're not even going to look into the sacrifice fight or even the exmaple of him flying to saturn in only a few minutes where it would take light up to 14 mintues or so. You guys have just remained with this"Well SS has so many ways to beat him"attitude without actually going into detail how he would win. Supes has superior MA skill,combat speed and striking power. Besides what does travel speed have to do with combat speed, show me at least one scan of SS fighting in superspeed or anything close to FTL....seriously do guys even know what the hell SS and Supes powersets are lol.

1)You never proved Superman is faster.

2)You never proved Superman is stronger or has more striking power.

3)You keep mentioning Superman going light speed but when I show SS going hundreds times that you say now "Show me a scan of SS using it in a fight."

4)Do you even know what Superman can't do?

Here are the feats you requested. Notice NANOSECOND, AN SPACE WIND.

As fast as the space winds WITHOUT his board
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...01combatwa4.jpg

Ducks under a missile shot from virtually point blank range AFTER it’s fired(the first scan is just to give a good idea of how close the robot was)
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...rv306103cj4.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...rv306104ma8.jpg

Rescues Mantis and Shalla Ba from an explosive energy sphere that detonates on contact, and they’re actually INSIDE the damn thing
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...98800908mj9.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...80090910wh9.jpg

Surprises Namor and Dr. Strange
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...ers00202mp9.jpg

Searches the surface of the entire planet in a matter of seconds
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...nual0508tc4.jpg

Easily evades alien ship
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...98902115hj1.jpg

More Alien ship evasion
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/...lavers41he7.jpg

Uses multiple energy blast against multiple targets while dodging multiple incoming blast while moving in a non strait line manner, and all in a single panel
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...99003316ik9.jpg

Easily dodges an unexpected attack from an Asgardian and comments on his ability to dodge comets
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...1004p031pn4.jpg

Nanosecond reaction times
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/...sents001fk4.jpg

Surfer is able to mentally calculate the trajectory of a being in mid teleportation(not just moving fast, actually teleporting) and attack it upon its arrival
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/...98902312rp5.jpg

Surfer travels to nearly every capital city on Earth in a matter of seconds
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/...rfer0105mo5.jpg

Outmaneuvers alien rocket that’s locked onto him
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/...rfer0228jc4.jpg

Evades alien monster
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/...rfer0230rp3.jpg

Evades multiple rockets
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/...rfer0236mt8.jpg

Faster and more maneuverable than Quasar
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/...imited05nv4.jpg

Dodges Galactus’s blast
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/...04dodgegsf9.jpg

Dodges Galactus again
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/...05dodgegnv0.jpg

Even MORE dodging Galactus
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/...four5008gu7.jpg

Originally posted by kakuzu
Wow. I don't think anything will get through to you. Tell me why name your self after Galactus original name who was the person who made SS then be a Superman fanatic?

The reason I say this is because you make things up, you don't prove points(Logical ones anyway) if you do have something you believe is right you keep repeating it even when its wrong. Why?

If you think Superman wins say something real. Say something with truth. Say something that doesn't annoy every one else around because it isn't true.

So saying Supes has superior MA skill,combat speed and striking power is false...and yet when I have provided scans you've just rationlized why they are not viable. You guys havnt made a cause aside from"no this wont work because"and willfully ignoring on-panel feats isnt anyway to win a argument. Either you provide an exmaple of SS fighting using superspeed or some display of h2h skill that is comparable to Supes or you just concede due to sheer ignorance over Supes powerset.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So saying Supes has superior MA skill,combat speed and striking power is false...and yet when I have provided scans you've just rationlized why they are not viable. You guys havnt made a cause aside from"no this wont work because"and willfully ignoring on-panel feats isnt anyway to win a argument. Either you provide an exmaple of SS fighting using superspeed or some display of h2h skill that is comparable to Supes or you just concede due to sheer ignorance over Supes powerset.

So you say we ignored you when you posted the wrong pictures? You say we ignored you when you said the wrong information? You say we ignored you when you keep repeating the same phrase for the last five pages?

You don't read comics. I'm sorry to say this. You post one picture an assume what happens in it. You are in your own little world. Seeing as how you can't post proof an are just going by opinion there isn't much I can do for you.

🙁 I can't see any of your scans, kakuzu. They all say 404 - Not Found.

Originally posted by kakuzu
Here we go again

1)You never proved Superman is faster.

2)You never proved Superman is stronger or has more striking power.

3)You keep mentioning Superman going light speed but when I show SS going hundreds times that you say now "Show me a scan of SS using it in a fight."

4)Do you even know what Superman can't do?

Here are the feats you requested. Notice NANOSECOND, AN SPACE WIND.

As fast as the space winds WITHOUT his board
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...01combatwa4.jpg

Ducks under a missile shot from virtually point blank range AFTER it’s fired(the first scan is just to give a good idea of how close the robot was)
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...rv306103cj4.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...rv306104ma8.jpg

Rescues Mantis and Shalla Ba from an explosive energy sphere that detonates on contact, and they’re actually INSIDE the damn thing
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...98800908mj9.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...80090910wh9.jpg

Surprises Namor and Dr. Strange
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...ers00202mp9.jpg

Searches the surface of the entire planet in a matter of seconds
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...nual0508tc4.jpg

Easily evades alien ship
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...98902115hj1.jpg

More Alien ship evasion
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/...lavers41he7.jpg

Uses multiple energy blast against multiple targets while dodging multiple incoming blast while moving in a non strait line manner, and all in a single panel
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...99003316ik9.jpg

Easily dodges an unexpected attack from an Asgardian and comments on his ability to dodge comets
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/...1004p031pn4.jpg

Nanosecond reaction times
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/...sents001fk4.jpg

Surfer is able to mentally calculate the trajectory of a being in mid teleportation(not just moving fast, actually teleporting) and attack it upon its arrival
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/...98902312rp5.jpg

Surfer travels to nearly every capital city on Earth in a matter of seconds
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/...rfer0105mo5.jpg

Outmaneuvers alien rocket that’s locked onto him
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/...rfer0228jc4.jpg

Evades alien monster
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/...rfer0230rp3.jpg

Evades multiple rockets
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/...rfer0236mt8.jpg

Faster and more maneuverable than Quasar
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/...imited05nv4.jpg

Dodges Galactus’s blast
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/...04dodgegsf9.jpg

Dodges Galactus again
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/...05dodgegnv0.jpg

Even MORE dodging Galactus
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/...four5008gu7.jpg

Once again providing a laundry list worth of feats that dont in anyway shape or form support your argument. Okay I dont know how many times I need to say this..your either missing the point or arguing some other debate cause right now ur really confusing.

SS has better travel feats but Supes has better combat speed and MA skill...easy enough concept right. Supes physical strength is greater and his striking power is greater but SS has great energy versatility. My argument has been that if the fight were to become close quarters Supes would win overwhealming due to these advantages. However in order for that to happen he would need to narrow the gap between himslf and SS which would be a difficult task...now hopfully thats simple enough for u to understand.

Originally posted by kakuzu
So you say we ignored you when you posted the wrong pictures? You say we ignored you when you said the wrong information? You say we ignored you when you keep repeating the same phrase for the last five pages?

You don't read comics. I'm sorry to say this. You post one picture an assume what happens in it. You are in your own little world. Seeing as how you can't post proof an are just going by opinion there isn't much I can do for you.

Originally posted by kakuzu
So you say we ignored you when you posted the wrong pictures? You say we ignored you when you said the wrong information? You say we ignored you when you keep repeating the same phrase for the last five pages?

You don't read comics. I'm sorry to say this. You post one picture an assume what happens in it. You are in your own little world. Seeing as how you can't post proof an are just going by opinion there isn't much I can do for you.

Woops tripple post, damn computer. Anyhow exaclty what wrong information and wrong scans are u talking about. All you've done is just rationlize why the feats arent viable and continued with useless SS feats that dont have anything to do with this debate. Seriously dude i dont know what ur trying to say here but exactly what point r u trying to make?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Once again providing a laundry list worth of feats that dont in anyway shape or form support your argument. Okay I dont know how many times I need to say this..your either missing the point or arguing some other debate cause right now ur really confusing.

SS has better travel feats but Supes has better combat speed and MA skill...easy enough concept right. Supes physical strength is greater and his striking power is greater but SS has great energy versatility. My argument has been that if the fight were to become close quarters Supes would win overwhealming due to these advantages. However in order for that to happen he would need to narrow the gap between himslf and SS which would be a difficult task...now hopfully thats simple enough for u to understand.

You yourself can't even post the right picture of Superman blitzing or the fight picture of Superman moving fast. At least I've proven my point. I've put the right picture. What have you put down?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Woops tripple post, damn computer. Anyhow exaclty what wrong information and wrong scans are u talking about. All you've done is just rationlize why the feats arent viable and continued with useless SS feats that dont have anything to do with this debate. Seriously dude i dont know what ur trying to say here but exactly what point r u trying to make?

2)You post a scan of Superman throwing people off and using superbreath and you say he is vibrating molecules.

Basically you aren't making any sense. Your making up things are you go. Can you even lay down one point right now?

Also by the way you say the feats I posted are useless, yet they seem to be more right then yours. Then again which feats have you actually posted?

Originally posted by kakuzu
What amazes me is the fact you can't comprehend I posted feats of SS fighting this time rather then Travel. Your in such a state of denial you ignore it, you just skim through it or don't read it at all an just copy and paste the same phrase.

You yourself can't even post the right picture of Superman blitzing or the fight picture of Superman moving fast. At least I've proven my point. I've put the right picture. What have you put down?

LMAO, fighting...u mean dodging enery blast. No dude im talking about actual combat h2h superspeed like when he fought UM and SW...or even the countless othertimes he use superdpeed with MA in battle...you're just arguing some mutable point for some odd reason and I seriously dont know wat ur trying to get at.

Originally posted by kakuzu
1)You post a scan of Superman blitzing and say he moved his molecules.

2)You post a scan of Superman throwing people off and using superbreath and you say he is vibrating molecules.

Basically you aren't making any sense. Your making up things are you go. Can you even lay down one point right now?

Also by the way you say the feats I posted are useless, yet they seem to be more right then yours. Then again which feats have you actually posted?

How are they right, I requested a very specific feat of him ultalizing MA skill in a combat situation at superpseed. I asked for you to prove SS stirking power, I ask you to prove his MA skill and I asked u to prove his combat speed. Now if you claim you've proven all that(which u havnt)then show me a example of SS using all 3 of those attributes at once in a combat situation like Supes has.

Careful The Great Galen, you don't have the shield of Thanos to protect yourself in KMC. 😇

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
If they were on the same level why would Gladiator hold back in such a situation? Exiles Gladiator knew that his battle with that Silver Surfer was to the death, I mean the evidence was all around him, the entire Shiar Imperial Guard were dead or on their way to death right?

Evidence would suggest that Exiles Gladiator was pretty damn powerful as his punch did generate a whiteout effect, which was portrayed as being nothing to the Exiles Surfer.

On the other end of the spectrum Gladiator has always been deflated when his best didn't cut it, so perhaps he lost confidence and in doing so his massive durability may have been deminished as well.

All the same Superman would retain all of his strengths even if his punch failed, the question here is would Superman be able to take better than he could give, and for how long?

Well like I said, if the battle gets close then the fight is in his favor but if its from a distance I can see this being a problem. Bads said it best though"Superman has shown to be able to use speed, precision and brute force on opponents who were shown to be his peers from past meetings. " IMO, if both are written in peak form I can see it being a close fight but on the account of Supes MA skill I would say he takes it...i guess it depends if the battle gets close or not.

Originally posted by kakuzu
Wrong again. I don't know if you took the time to read the comic but it clearly shows Superman DODGING THE PUNCH and hitting Doomsday later on. He doesn't show to vibrate his molecules. Again the is Flashes only move.

Okay he used Super speed on Ultraman and still got pwned? SS is more powerful the Ultraman.

Superman can't vibrate his molecules.

Superman does vibrate through, DD's first punch, he stands still and DD's punch passes through him. He's also vibrated his body to turn invisible and "phase" through energy attacks.

Originally posted by Allankles
Superman does vibrate through, DD's first punch, he stands still and DD's punch passes through him. He's also vibrated his body to turn invisible and "phase" through energy attacks.

Dont bother with him I spend 2 pages worth arguing a on-panel showing that he just refues to accept....just put him on ignore.