The Presence against The Heart of the Infinite

Originally posted by Mr Master
I disagree.

That's why.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The presence is a fictional character while the morrion avatar represents a real person. See the difference? Its kinda simple me thinks.

Originally posted by fangirl101
master. Get off of it. Morrison reveals himself to animal man. but if you take the damned time to read what the presence is saying to the spectre, you can see that he ISN"T REVEALING HIMSELF. He's telling the spectre that he can't imagine all that he is. He's telling the spectre that he makes the rules. Creation is His. Even his name, the Presence, is a way to describe the influence and scope of the comic creators who are everywhere in every comic at all times. Thier presence is felt in every single story.

Originally posted by Galan007

knowledge of the 'real world' still doesn't make the morrison avatar anything more than an "in-comic god" though [just like the kooky old guy in the scans i posted]. characters like joker, animal man, mxy, etc. have this same basic knowledge, yet they are still "in comic" characters.

same can be said about the kirby/bum avatars of god, over in marvel. imo.

we will simply never see anything more than an "in-comic god" for obvious reasons.

First:

joker, animal man, & mxy aren't representations of real people, while Morrison is.

Second:

Originally posted by Mr Master

The Morrison avatar knew it was something more, because it was,
namely, a representation of Grant Morrison, a DC writer now in the real world.

Of course the drawing is just a drawing,

but the Morrison drawing represents reality,
while the Presence represents fantasy/ideology/absolute fiction.

See the difference?

Originally posted by quanchi112
The Spectre also couldnt figure out that he was being manipulated by Eclipso. He also went mad when merged with everything. He isnt that bright imo.

Originally posted by fangirl101

master. Get off of it. Morrison reveals himself to animal man.

but if you take the damned time to read what the presence is saying to the spectre,
you can see that he ISN"T REVEALING HIMSELF.
He's telling the spectre that he can't imagine all that he is.
He's telling the spectre that he makes the rules.
Creation is His.

I read the Spectre scans.

I see no relation whatsoever.

Originally posted by fangirl101

even his name, the Presence, is a way to describe the influence and scope of the comic creators who are everywhere in every comic at all times. Thier presence is felt in every single story.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Different Spectre. You don't pay any kind of Effing attention to detail. You make me want to put my head in the oven and turn it on.

Thanos in terms of intelligence makes the impossible possible.

Originally posted by Mr Master
IMO, there's the in-comic God, like the Presence & THOTI.
and there's the in-comic avatar that represents the writer/artist that create these in-comic Gods.

imo, there's no difference between them [power/role-wise], other than displayed knowledge of the 'real world'.

anyhow, i'm sure you're tired of this loop as well, so how about we agree to disagree on this? 😛

Originally posted by fangirl101

You don't pay any kind of Effing attention to detail.

Originally posted by fangirl101

You make me want to put my head in the oven and turn it on.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I read the Animal man several times, Galan sent me the issue, awesome story,
and the best depiction of a Comic God I have ever seen/read, even better than the FF#511.

I read the Spectre scans.

I see no relation whatsoever.

If you're suggesting that in some way those scans tells us
the Presence is the term used to define DC writers,
you're full of it.

The God that is talking to the Spectre does not reveal himself to the spectre. Infact he talks about how the spectre cannot fathom who and what he is. How the spectre has no idea about the Rules. He in no way conflicts the morrison avatar. And one thing is for sure, that isn't the ywh of the lucifer series that was fashioned by outside forces.

Originally posted by Galan007

yet these "in-comic gods" are both created by the same people [the staff]. meh.

You're right, but there's still a difference good friend,
they are both drawings, true,
but one drawing is depicted as the creator of the other drawings:

Technically they're both drawings,
but their on panel depiction is completely different.

Originally posted by Galan007

anyhow, i'm sure you're tired of this loop as well,
so how about we agree to disagree on this?

Originally posted by Mr Master
No, you must agree with me. 😛

Originally posted by fangirl101

So my interpretations are full of it,
but the crap you spew about thanos having the one above all's power, when it says that no where isn't full of it? Do better. Don't expect me to respect your opinion when it is no more valid than mine if you disrespect mine.

I'm not disrespecting your interpretation,
but no where in those scans is there any allusion to the name (Presence)
being the defining term that represents writers.

That's what I was referring too.

Originally posted by fangirl101

The God that is talking to the Spectre does not reveal himself to the spectre. Infact he talks about how the spectre cannot fathom who and what he is. How the spectre has no idea about the Rules. He in no way conflicts the morrison avatar. And one thing is for sure, that isn't the ywh of the lucifer series that was fashioned by outside forces.

But I do disagree that it's something, anything like the Morrison avatar I'm very familiar with.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Anytime you wanna challenge me in a debate concerning THOTI, let me know.

I'm not disrespecting your interpretation,
but no where in those scans is there any allusion to the name (Presence)
being the the defining term that represents writers.

that's what I was referring too.

I'm not saying it's anything other than what it is.

But I do disagree that it's something, anything like the Morrison avatar I'm very familiar with.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's where you're wrong.

The Morrison avatar knew it was something more, because it was,
namely, a representation of Grant Morrison, a DC writer now in the real world.

Of course the drawing is just a drawing, but the Morrison drawing represents reality,
while the Presence represents fantasy/ideology/absolute fiction.

See the difference?

DC and Marvel are both fiction, an avatar of a real life person within the fiction becomes fictional avatar, just like TOAA.

Originally posted by Galan007
the 'presence'/'god' devoured the entire host of heaven, on panel [even michael himself]. he also owned spectre with the utmost of ease:

of course i expect some type of idiotic response about how the above 'feat' still doesn't make the presence >/= the heart, so i don't even know why i typed this response. umm

Which just proves the Presence is the supreme authority in DC' fiction. much like the fictional avatar TOAA is in Marvel, except DC doesn't fictionalize the fiction within it's own fiction i.e no fourth wall implosion. Why is that so hard to grasp for Mr. Master?

Fiction is fiction, you don't have to throw in the fourth wall redundancy unless you're aiming for commentary on the philosophy of fiction or just shooting for comedy.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Different Spectre. You don't pay any kind of Effing attention to detail. You make me want to put my head in the oven and turn it on.

😂

Originally posted by Allankles

DC and Marvel are both fiction,
an avatar of a real life person within the fiction becomes fictional avatar, just like TOAA.

Originally posted by Mr Master

You got a point, here my point though.

You're right, but there's still a difference good friend,
they are both drawings, true,
but one drawing is depicted as the creator of the other drawings:

Technically they're both drawings,
but their on panel depiction is completely different.

Originally posted by Allankles

Why is that so hard to grasp for Mr. Master?

Originally posted by Allankles

Fiction is fiction, you don't have to throw in the fourth wall redundancy unless you're aiming for commentary on the philosophy of fiction or just shooting for comedy.

You can't grasp that, email or write Marvel a letter.

Presence in a stomp, avatar of DC writers vs comic book character...its not gonna be pretty.