The Presence against The Heart of the Infinite

Uh...
That's nice to know.
But you see, we are not talking about the supreme being in Vertigo.
We are talking about The Presence, the supreme being of DC.

For your info,
Elaine is the new supreme being of Vertigoverse. After YHWH gave him all his power to Elaine, she merged with the universe.
That's all we need to know.

Back on topic:
About The Source, it is NOT the supreme being of DC.
But it is an integral part of the DCU, for it is responsible in empowering and sustaining everything in DC.

If The Source is destroyed, there would be an opposing chain reaction that would cause the entire DCU to collapse.
The same cannot be said about THOTI.
Yes, I acknowledge the fact that THOTI is a force to be reckoned with but it is not a vital and integral part of the MU.
The MU sustains itself, even without THOTI.
Thus I conclude The Source > THOTI.
The Source is an aspect of The Presence.
The Presence against THOTI is spite in The Presence's favor.

Why are people only looking at the similarities between them and not the differences? 😐

I mean, I don't know alot about either, but come on. 😬

Here The Spectre touches the Source and is shown what it is like to be GOD

Originally posted by Mr Master
As expected.

The Presence's name is mentioned in Vertigo,
the Presence is Michael's father in Vertigo,
we KNOW Yahweh is Michael's father in Vertigo.

The Presence's name is mentioned in DC,
the Presence is Michael's father in DC.

Vertigo is own by DC.

I mean, even you, even you ... actually I almost forgot who I'm talking too. 🙄

The Presence name isn't mentioned in Vertigo. The Narrator says that Micheal isn't interacting with YHW's voice now, but that he is going to interact in his presence. YHW himself is never actually referred to as the Presence read his scan again.

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Spectre at his full potential

God eating CREATION as it says in the panel

I don't see proof of how vertigo God is different that DC
Vertigo's sandman, The Endless etc countless vertigo characters have been shown in DC
The reason you don't see Batman and superman in vertigo is simple it's dealing with different subject more mature content.

Fangirl what proof do you have they are two different I have given you cross reference of characters and remember vertigo was created in the 90 many of Vertigo character have already been showing in normal DC

Not opinion but what fact to you have that says otherwise?

Originally posted by Allankles

And in your scan (a vertigo story) the God character isn't referred to as the Presence,

the narrator is talking about the presence of God, not The Presence.

"The Presence"

Nice try. 🙂

The Source like the Presence appears as many different forms and simply is. This is how Hal see's the source.

Originally posted by kgkg
I don't see proof of how vertigo God is different that DC
Vertigo's sandman, The Endless etc countless vertigo characters have been shown in DC
The reason you don't see Batman and superman in vertigo is simple it's dealing with different subject more mature content.

Fangirl what proof do you have they are two different I have given you cross reference of characters and remember vertigo was created in the 90 many of Vertigo character have already been showing in normal DC

Not opinion but what fact to you have that says otherwise?

Originally posted by fangirl101
the Presence Tells Spectre that ALL creation comes from him. You say the YWh of vertigo does not have that claim.

like i said Vertigo characters have met mainstream DC character many time Infact many of the characters you see now in vertigo used to be mainstream DC

In Vertigo, There was no Jesus.

In the DCU Spectre was going to destroy earth becuz Jesus was crucified. And DCu mikey stopped him

Originally posted by kgkg
Vertigo has countless CREATIONS mainstream DC could be one of them

like i said Vertigo characters have met mainstream DC character many time Infact many of the characters you see now in vertigo used to be mainstream DC

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

If The Source is destroyed,
there would be an opposing chain reaction that would cause the entire DCU to collapse.

The same cannot be said about THOTI.

So Galactus = Source right?

... next.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

Yes, I acknowledge the fact that THOTI is a force to be reckoned with
but it is not a vital and integral part of the MU.
The MU sustains itself, even without THOTI.
Thus I conclude The Source > THOTI.

The MU is sustained by Eternity:

"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL This -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,

the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies"

Eternity ... who got erased by THOTI:

yawn ... next ...

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

The Source is an aspect of The Presence.

The Presence against THOTI is spite in The Presence's favor.

THOTI is the power of TOAA.

THOTI against The Presence is spite in The Presence's favor.

See, how easy that is.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Love the way to you use small caps to quote what the narrator said
in order to give your claim substance.

"[b]The Presence"

Nice try. 🙂 [/B]

Originally posted by Mr Master
But the same can be said about Galactus.

So Galactus = Source right?

Originally posted by fangirl101
That has nothing to do with the fact that I am proving you wrong. They are not the same God. Need I go on on the differences of the realities?

I just showed you vertigo used to be part of Mainstream DC before Vertigo existed vertigo was made in 1993 how many times do I have to tell you that.

Originally posted by kgkg
Where do you prove me wrong I missed that part?

I just showed you vertigo used to be part of Mainstream DC before Vertigo existed vertigo was made in 1993 how many times do I have to tell you that.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Love the way to you use small caps to quote what the narrator said
in order to give your claim substance.

"[b]The Presence"

Nice try. 🙂 [/B]

I didn't use lower case to help make a point. The whole narrative was in capitals. If you know what reading a statement is i.e. interpreting the statement as the writer intended.

The word "presence" in this case is not referring to another name for yahweh this is referring to the state of being in front of or around something.

You need the context. The narrator says Micheal is no longer interacting with his father's voice but his presence. The Narrator does not call YHW the Presence.

Again read, he isn't referred to as the Presence, but that Micheal isn't dealing with the voice of Yahweh but the very presence of Yahweh.

This character is never referred to as the "Presence", in that sentence the character is referred to as "God", not the Presence.

EDIT: You have to read the complete sentence, the first part mentions the "voice of God", the second says that this is more than just the voice of god but "the presence of god", but since the word "God" is already in the sentence it is unecessary to add it at the end of the sentence.

You need to read the narrations meaning.

There'd be nothing to contend if the sentence referred to the Vertigo god as the Presence, but as it stands it doesn't.

Originally posted by Allankles
I didn't use lower case to help make a point. The whole narrative was in capitals. If you know what reading a statement is i.e. interpreting the statement as the writer intended.

The word "presence" in this case is not referring to another name for yahweh this is referring to the state of being in front of or around something.

You need the context. The narrator says Micheal is no longer interacting with his father's voice but his presence. The Narrator does not call YHW the Presence.

Again read, he isn't referred to as the Presence, but that Micheal isn't dealing with the voice of Yahweh but the very presence of Yahweh.

This character is never referred to as the "Presence", in that sentence the character is referred to as "God", not the Presence.