The Presence against The Heart of the Infinite

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The Beginning and the End The Source ignites the Big Bang and everything else in between. 😉

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Info about Orion, Takion, Highfather Izaya, Darksied and the War between New Genesis and Apokolips.

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Originally posted by fangirl101

Galactus does not Sustain The marvel U.
His death might cause a collapse, but DS's death does the same.

Sustaining creation is different.

It means everything hinges on something.

Interesting you should say that, and use that term (hinges) 🙄

Do you now see why you should read a comic book before debating?

You always end up swallowing your foot.

Originally posted by fangirl101

Galactus is not source of all energy. So the example FAILS.

"Until this reality's Galactus died,
and the Doors to the Multiverse became unhinged"

(Galactus is the personification of the Hinge you mentioned)

Bottom line, Galactus dies, Marvel dies.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So, "sustaining creation" means when "everything hinges on something."

Interesting you should say that, and use that term (hinges) 🙄

Do you now see why you should read a comic book before debating?

You always end up swallowing your foot.

Like Roma said in the above scan:

"Until this reality's [b]Galactus died,
and the Doors to the Multiverse became unhinged"

(Galactus is the personification of the Hinge you mentioned)

Bottom line, Galactus dies, Marvel dies. [/B]

Originally posted by kevdude

The Beginning and the End ... The Alien Entity

creates from nothingness the spark that ignites the Big Bang.

creates the Marvel Universe and everything else in between anew

Again ... this is all supported by Marvel.

The Alien Entity stood in the void before the Big Bang (on panel)
the Alien Entity created the "Spark" that ignites creation with a thought (on panel)
The Alien Entity personally sparked the Big Bang with his own hands (on panel)
The Alien Entity indeed literally harnessed the energies of creation (on panel)
The Alien Entity (using Reed's mind as a guide) created the Marvel Universe and all its history. (on panel)
The Alien Entity merged with the fires/engines of creation, past, present & future (on panel)

100% Canon! ...

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Originally posted by fangirl101
Shut the Fvck up master. You insult and I'm not even insulting you. I'm sick of you. your telling me to read comics and you don't know what the hell you are talking about when it comes to DC.

Originally posted by vansonbee
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Originally posted by fangirl101
You don't have to tell me anything becuz I already know. Vertigo is a Seperate Imprint. Thus everything that happens in Vertigo is canon only to Vertigo. I've already proven that they aren't the same characters.

go check Spectre 50 American Scream shows up again that the villain from Shade vertigo

also the only season you don't see lots of crossover is that it's operated by two different group they need permission and such.

Scans if anyone is interested can be provided

and that comic was publish 1997 (vertigo was made in 1993)

Originally posted by kevdude

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This fact is also confirmed here:

While the Alien Entity & even Reed were existing in the Void, BEFORE the Universe:

Originally posted by kgkg
Neil Gaiman himself have said they are the same the writers know more my friend

go check Spectre 50 American Scream shows up again that the villain from Shade vertigo

also the only season you don't see lots of crossover is that it's operated by two different group they need permission and such.

Scans if anyone is interested can be provided

I've said that the sandman is canon to both. But The events that happen under Vertigo are strictly Vertigo. And DC editorial says they aren't the same continuity. Thus Editorial>>>Writer.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It clearly says in your scan that the Source was born here too with the Universe.

Originally posted by fangirl101
You haven't done your home work.

I've said that the sandman is canon to both. But The events that happen under Vertigo are strictly Vertigo. And DC editorial says they aren't the same continuity. Thus Editorial>>>Writer.

Originally posted by kgkg
so why is Lucifer , M etc not canon to both since those were created before 1993

Originally posted by fangirl101

Well. The insults like I dont' read comics
and swallowing my foot are getting out of Goddamned hand.

You continuously deliberately post fallacies to devalue Marvel characters,
but not on my watch, no sir.

Originally posted by fangirl101

He can't even read a DC panel correctly and tries to insult me.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I told ya, everytime you lie, you'll be called on it.

You continuously deliberately post fallacies to devalue Marvel characters,
but no on my watch, no sir.

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Originally posted by fangirl101
You do know that when DC reprinted those stories, they went in reprint as VERTIGO stories. Oh, you didn't.

Writers have said that anything that was created my mainstream DC remains the same except concept that created by vertigo

😂

Originally posted by kgkg
so why are people from vertigo showing up in DC? after 1993

Writers have said that anything that was created my mainstream DC remains the same except concept that created by vertigo

😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
It clearly says in your scan that the Source was born here too with the Universe.

This fact is also confirmed here:

While the Alien Entity & even Reed were existing in the Void, BEFORE the Universe:

Wonderful, when they both can come from nothing in the void and not from the past and are literally born in the Void and then spark it from itself then they can compare to God The Source until then, no.. 😉

Originally posted by Allankles
I didn't use lower case to help make a point. The whole narrative was in capitals. If you know what reading a statement is i.e. interpreting the statement as the writer intended.

The word "presence" in this case is not referring to another name for yahweh this is referring to the state of being in front of or around something.

You need the context. The narrator says Micheal is no longer interacting with his father's voice but his presence. The Narrator does not call YHW the Presence.

Again read, he isn't referred to as the Presence, but that Micheal isn't dealing with the voice of Yahweh but the very presence of Yahweh.

This character is never referred to as the "Presence", in that sentence the character is referred to as "God", not the Presence.

EDIT: You have to read the complete sentence, the first part mentions the "voice of God", the second says that this is more than just the voice of god but "the presence of god", but since the word "God" is already in the sentence it is unecessary to add it at the end of the sentence.

You need to read the narrations meaning.

There'd be nothing to contend if the sentence referred to the Vertigo god as the Presence, but as it stands it doesn't.

Originally posted by fangirl101

WHAT DOES THIS SAY?

While the Alien Entity consciously manipulated/created/controlled the Big Bang.

The Alien Entity wasn't born in or from the Big Bang,
the Alien Entiy is the one that created the spark that initiates the Big Bang.

The AE is baaaaaaad aaaaaaassss!!!

The Infinity being's origin is even more dramatic than the AE, so go figure.

Originally posted by kevdude
Wonderful, when they both can come from nothing in the void and not from the past and are literally born in the Void and then spark it from itself then they can compare to God The Source until then, no.. 😉