The Presence against The Heart of the Infinite · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
The heart isn't an aspect of TOAA. It's TOAA's power within the marvelverse. The Source is neither the Presence nor Supreme.
Heart>Source by a comfortable margin.
I was never arguing the fictional character thing. I was questioning the Presence's supremacy.

How the hell can the heart be ToAA within the universe when TOAA is the TOAA withint the multiverse? WTF.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Allankles
The Source can do exactly what HOTU did, so there's nothing to get argumentative over. Read up on the Source it controls existence and can recreate and destroy existence and every being within it, and it is an aspect of the Presence.

Eternity/Infinity do what the Source is/does on an every moment basis.

Yet, Eternity/Infinity is less than nothing to THOTI.

Originally posted by Allankles
As far TOAA goes he is equal to the Presence and if you don't want to believe me about that he is classified as a fictional character within the Marvel U. A little research and you'll discover all this.

That's your unsupported opinion.

TOAA is a character that draws/writes Supreme beings into existence.

The Presence is a Supreme being,
so he's just ink and paper to TOAA.

Now the Morrison/Carlin-type Avatars are what = TOAA.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by fangirl101
lay off the drugs.
Korvac wasn't more powerful than the multiversal abstracts.
He was more powerful than the abstracts of his universe.
That much we know.

Lay off the LIES!

That much YOU know because you've never read a comic,
you just spew you know what.

The TRUTH with PROOF!!!!

Korvac was more powerful than the Multiversal Abstracts:

"The most awesome assembly of diverse power-wielders in the history of the Multiverse"

"It is essential that we act in concert,
Korvac's power already surpasses that of many of us here"

bottom

You think I'm you?

You think Mr Master makes shit up with no concern for his dignity?

WRONG!!!

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by fangirl101
Since you so kindly remind us it's non canon to the 616.
But it is canon to the LT.

I didn't say it wasn't canon, or was canon,
I said What ifs are made for Writers to have fun, to NOT take seriously,
ONLY YOU would actually be using a What if to gauge characters.

Originally posted by fangirl101
The LT states that his most powerful attack was the sun going nova.
He could not outright destroy korvak. it's on panel. deal with it.

Yea, and yet somehow be able to rip an entire Universe from the Omniverse 😆

Get this garbage out of here dogs.

Originally posted by fangirl101
We do know that there are levels of energy that are achieveable between the LT"S and TOAA.
Protoge Does it.
The Preretconned MM and PR Beyonder Achieve them.
And THANOS THOTU achieve them.

Still with Protege?

doh

Again, ... Protege is a story taking place 1000 years in the FUTURE!!!
It does NOOOOTTTTT pertain to current LT until 1000 YEARS LATER!!!!

Classic Beyonder and MM don't exist, and canonically never did.

Thanos had TOAA's power withIN the Omniverse.

... oh what's the point .. nuts4

Originally posted by fangirl101
All are less powerful than TOAA but above the LT according to you.
So by your own logic, there is much space between the LT and TOAA.

TOAA is the character that draws and writes everything into existence.

Nice try.

Don't ever try and tell me what logic I'm using,
your ignorance concerning that, supersedes your ignorance concerning Marvel.

Originally posted by fangirl101
He's easily beatable by any being who supercedes his limited might.

😆

Originally posted by fangirl101
The LT has defeated what being?s? None that I can remember.

Your memory is non-existent concerning Marvel truth.

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by Mr Master
Eternity/Infinity do what the SOurce is/does on an every moment basis.
Yet, Eternity/Infinity is less than nothing to THOTI.
That's your unsupported opinion.
TOAA is a character that draws/writes Supreme beings into existence.
The Presence is a Supreme being,
so he's just ink and paper to TOAA.
Now the Morrison/Carlin-type Avatars are what = TOAA.

you do not define what is supreme at DC.

The Presence is Supreme at DC. Carlin and Morrison avatars are just avatars of the Presence. Since they appear supreme.

All of them are fictional characters. to suggest otherwise is bordering insanity.

Knowsbleed33 You know my name

Originally posted by fangirl101
How the hell can the heart be ToAA within the universe when TOAA is the TOAA withint the multiverse? WTF.

This doesn't make a lick of sense.

Allankles Kwisatz Haderach

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nice, and?
Same as Eternity/Infinity.
Big whoop.

Except in Marvel Eternity is below the LT and can't erase him or recreate him. The Source can recreate all beings barring the Presence itself which it is an aspect of.

Allankles Kwisatz Haderach

Originally posted by fangirl101

All of them are fictional characters to suggest otherwise is bordering insanity.

I would say he is bordering on insanity even though it is established fact that TOAA is nothing but a fictional character Mr. Master still argues like he is more than that.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Allankles
Except in Marvel Eternity is below the LT and can't erase him or recreate him.
The Source can recreate all beings barring the Presence itself which it is an aspect of.

Really, show me proof that the Source can erase Michael or Lucifer.

Knowsbleed33 You know my name

Who cares if TOAA is fictional or not? He has neither an equal or anyone who challenges his position.

The Presence has both.

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Who cares if TOAA is fictional or not? He has neither an equal or anyone who challenges his position.
The Presence has both.

The presence has no equal. And no one has successfully challenged his position. hell, no one has ever come close. he pwns just by looking at MF's who try it.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Allankles
I would say he is bordering on insanity

Then I would say you're an idiot.

Insulting is easy isn't clown?

Originally posted by Allankles
even though it is established fact that TOAA is nothing but a fictional character
Mr. Master still argues like he is more than that.

Please show me where I EVER said TOAA is not fictional?

If you're gonna start lying cause you gots no ammo left,
bring it, that's the type of clownish idiot I love to stomp.

Knowsbleed33 You know my name

Originally posted by fangirl101
The presence has no equal. And no one has successfully challenged his position. hell, no one has ever come close. he pwns just by looking at MF's who try it.

Failure. You DCer's were just saying in the other thread that the GEB is equal to the Presence.

Allankles Kwisatz Haderach

Originally posted by Mr Master

If you're gonna start lying cause you gots no ammo left,
bring it, that's the type of clownish idiot I love to stomp.

Yeah! Whatever, so what are we arguing about exactly? All are fictional characters the Presence being the supreme authority in one universe and TOAA being the supreme authority in another.

To argue that one Supreme authority is tuffer than another is pointless, since no one approaches their power in their respective universes.

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Failure. You DCer's were just saying in the other thread that the GEB is equal to the Presence.

No i didn't. find the quote or shut the hell up. I said that the GEB was equal to the Ultimate Light.

Knowsbleed33 You know my name

I said you DCer's. Check the thread, several people state the GEB = the Presence.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Allankles
Yeah! Whatever, so what are we arguing about exactly?

All I know is I had respected you, we disagreed, but the respect was there,
but now since you tried to insult me, you just joined a selective shit list.

You must not know me to try your luck like that.

Originally posted by Allankles
All are fictional characters the Presence being the supreme authority in one universe and TOAA being the supreme authority in another.

Who cares about this "fictional" argument you've dived into,
I've NEVER said TOAA is a not a fictional character.

If you're high, this isn't the time to debate then. 🙂

Originally posted by Allankles
To argue that one Supreme authority is tuffer than another is pointless,
since no one approaches their power in their respective universes.

Still have no idea what you're relating this to.

In Marvel comics,
THOTI made Thanos the Supreme being.

You got a problem with that?

Email Marvel, but don't hate on me for conveying what was portrayed in Maverl Comics,
On Panel,
confirmed in Marvel Handbooks,
corroborated by Jim Starlin himself, the WRITER of the story.

Let me know if you need the visual PROOF.

The same PROOF you can't provide of the Source erasing Michael or Lucifer.

Allankles Kwisatz Haderach

Originally posted by Mr Master
Really, show me proof that the Source can erase Michael or Lucifer.

Are Micheal and Lucifer aspects of the Presence? The only time the Source has ever looked vulnerable was in DONG where it was imperfect and it was trying to repair itself and it manifested an imperfect avatar in the Source Entity that's why DS was able to match it's power with the Soul Fire equation. Otherwise when it is whole there's nothing that contends with it's power save the Presence itself which it is a part of anyway.

Knowsbleed33 You know my name

Originally posted by Allankles
Are Micheal and Lucifer aspects of the Presence?

Does it matter? Do you doubt that Thanos with the heart would've absorbed them along with everything else?

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Allankles
Are Micheal and Lucifer aspects of the Presence? The only time the Source has ever looked vulnerable was in DONG where it was imperfect and it was trying to repair itself and it manifested an imperfect avatar in the Source Entity that's why DS was able to match it's power with the Soul Fire equation. Otherwise when it is whole there's nothing that contends with it's power save the Presence itself which it is a part of anyway.

Excuses, excuses, THOTI was unchallenged and absorbed everything effortlessly.

Again ... you said the Source can erase/re-create every being in DC ... so ...

Originally posted by Allankles
show me proof that the Source can erase Michael or Lucifer.

Show me the Source erasing Mxy/Cosmic Extant/or even DC itself.

If you ask me to show you THOTi erasing/re-creating everything easily, I can.