WTF.
Caedus was a tremendous joke.
a.) The weak-ass One Sith found him LOL-inducing. Krayt would later refer to him as a "Sith lightning rod."
b.) He's a moron. Do you realize that, with the exception of his defeat of Kyle Katarn, he practically never won a fight/duel/battle?
c.) He's a moron. Yes, I realize I've already said this in the above point, but his immeasurable depth of stupidity warranted reiteration.
d.) His motivations were a joke. At least Anakin, though he didn't admit to it, knew that his actions were unjust and wrong. He just didn't care. Meanwhile, Caedus deludes himself into thinking that his actions are noble.
Vergere's philosophy? Yeah, there's some merit to that. Lumiya's blatant "I AM SO ****ING WITH YOU!" lies, on the other hand? No.
Lumiya: "Sith are galactic peacekeepers. To follow the Sith is to follow peace."
Everyone with half a brain: "Um... Palpatine, Count Dooku, Darth Maul, Darth Vader, Darth Bane, Darth Revan, Naga Sadow, Ludo Kressh, Marka Ragnos, Darth Malak, Darth Bandon, Darth Plagueis, Exar Kun, Freedon Nadd. Since when was "domination" synonymous with "peace," you dumb *****?
e.) He ordered the murder of Gilad Pellaeon. I hope Gentleman Gil is kicking the shit out of him in the afterlife.
Originally posted by Gideon
WTF.Caedus was a tremendous joke.
a.) The weak-ass One Sith found him LOL-inducing. Krayt would later refer to him as a "Sith lightning rod."
b.) He's a moron. Do you realize that, with the exception of his defeat of Kyle Katarn, he practically never won a fight/duel/battle?
c.) He's a moron. Yes, I realize I've already said this in the above point, but his immeasurable depth of stupidity warranted reiteration.
d.) His motivations were a joke. At least Anakin, though he didn't admit to it, knew that his actions were unjust and wrong. He just didn't care. Meanwhile, Caedus deludes himself into thinking that his actions are noble.
Vergere's philosophy? Yeah, there's some merit to that. Lumiya's blatant "I AM SO ****ING WITH YOU!" lies, on the other hand? No.
Lumiya: "Sith are galactic peacekeepers. To follow the Sith is to follow peace."Everyone with half a brain: "Um... Palpatine, Count Dooku, Darth Maul, Darth Vader, Darth Bane, Darth Revan, Naga Sadow, Ludo Kressh, Marka Ragnos, Darth Malak, Darth Bandon, Darth Plagueis, Exar Kun, Freedon Nadd. Since when was "domination" synonymous with "peace," you dumb *****?
e.) He ordered the murder of Gilad Pellaeon. I hope Gentleman Gil is kicking the shit out of him in the afterlife.
Originally posted by GideonAs a thinking, fleshed out character, perhaps. As a tank- a malevolently evil force? I thought he filled the role of misguided ****tard quite well.
WTF.Caedus was a tremendous joke.
Originally posted by GideonGood to know. I really never knew that.
a.) The weak-ass One Sith found him LOL-inducing. Krayt would later refer to him as a "Sith lightning rod."
Originally posted by GideonGood to know. I'd never thought of it that way. This doesn't actually provide support for the assertion that 'he's a moron', however much I agree with you.b.) He's a moron. Do you realize that, with the exception of his defeat of Kyle Katarn, he practically never won a fight/duel/battle?
Originally posted by GideonExample: Killing the bounty hunter with the force. Ex. 2: burning Kashyyk. He really wasn't unintelligent, he was just dumb.c.) He's a moron. Yes, I realize I've already said this in the above point, but his immeasurable depth of stupidity warranted reiteration.
Originally posted by GideonYeah...d.) His motivations were a joke. At least Anakin, though he didn't admit to it, knew that his actions were unjust and wrong. He just didn't care. Meanwhile, Caedus deludes himself into thinking that his actions are noble.
Originally posted by GideonShe reminds me of a wannabe Kreia.Vergere's philosophy? Yeah, there's some merit to that. Lumiya's blatant "I AM SO ****ING WITH YOU!" lies, on the other hand? No.
Originally posted by GideonThat's BS.Lumiya: "Sith are galactic peacekeepers. To follow the Sith is to follow peace."
Originally posted by GideonThat way we can dominate them into getting along. Just like the USA!Everyone with half a brain: "Um... Palpatine, Count Dooku, Darth Maul, Darth Vader, Darth Bane, Darth Revan, Naga Sadow, Ludo Kressh, Marka Ragnos, Darth Malak, Darth Bandon, Darth Plagueis, Exar Kun, Freedon Nadd. Since when was "domination" synonymous with "peace," you dumb *****?
Originally posted by Gideone.) He ordered the murder of Gilad Pellaeon. I hope Gentleman Gil is kicking the shit out of him in the afterlife.
Caedus wasn't great. He wasn't clever, sympathetic, or captivating. He was a portable tank, capable of challenging DBZ Luke when Luke was holding back, for at least the first 8 books. Then he just gets tooled. I really wanted to like it. I just couldn't. Now I'm using selective memory to shelter my psyche from the trauma of the waste of my favorite next-generation Jedi.
Originally posted by Gideon
WTF.Caedus was a tremendous joke.
a.) The weak-ass One Sith found him LOL-inducing. Krayt would later refer to him as a "Sith lightning rod."
b.) He's a moron. Do you realize that, with the exception of his defeat of Kyle Katarn, he practically never won a fight/duel/battle?
c.) He's a moron. Yes, I realize I've already said this in the above point, but his immeasurable depth of stupidity warranted reiteration.
d.) His motivations were a joke. At least Anakin, though he didn't admit to it, knew that his actions were unjust and wrong. He just didn't care. Meanwhile, Caedus deludes himself into thinking that his actions are noble.
Vergere's philosophy? Yeah, there's some merit to that. Lumiya's blatant "I AM SO ****ING WITH YOU!" lies, on the other hand? No.
Lumiya: "Sith are galactic peacekeepers. To follow the Sith is to follow peace."
Everyone with half a brain: "Um... Palpatine, Count Dooku, Darth Maul, Darth Vader, Darth Bane, Darth Revan, Naga Sadow, Ludo Kressh, Marka Ragnos, Darth Malak, Darth Bandon, Darth Plagueis, Exar Kun, Freedon Nadd. Since when was "domination" synonymous with "peace," you dumb *****?
e.) He ordered the murder of Gilad Pellaeon. I hope Gentleman Gil is kicking the shit out of him in the afterlife.
QFT Brilliant Post. it should be pasted into every single Caedus thread in the forum.
don't forget, he lost to Jaina in the end. Unfair as the fight was, he lost to jaina. That means probably any number of jedi masters could have defeated him too. Mara almost did. Kyle lost, but was admittedly distracted by the combat he was directing around him, and pulling a speeder into Kyle that Kyle didn't even know was there PROBABLY shouldn't hold up under the analysis of this forum. (as i've come to understand it recently)
Kyp Durron vs. Caedus would be pretty even, IMO. And i would pick Kyp. (cause who is gonna sit and argue that jaina >Kyp?)
Originally posted by skywalker833
I absolutely hate caedus, and wish i could agree with you Gideon, but I can't. If you've read Inferno you would know that the Luke vs Caedus fight was pretty close.
it really wasn't. Have you read Jacen's take on that fight? I've posted it before. I'll post it again if i can find it, but it is made crystal clear that Luke owned Caedus. You have to remember, the fact that Luke even HAD that duel with Caedus is because he totally owned caedus into believing he had died.
Also, surely you have read the scenario where Luke holds caedus in his chair, completely unable to move, right? that makes them sound really close...
Finally: You read Invincible? If you read invincible you know exactly how much that already impressive gap between luke and caedus grew when it describes the facts that even Caedus's vision of the future, the one thing that had been driving him from TRAITOR were put in his head by luke.
He never did figure out that luke wasn't even in the room in the duel in which he lost his arm. he thought luke took that arm off until he died. not to mention the times that he thought a fleet was chasing him when it was a vision from Luke.
Luke humiliated Jacen over and over and over. Distant second is being plenty generous.
Originally posted by truejedi
don't forget, he lost to Jaina in the end. Unfair as the fight was, he lost to jaina. That means probably any number of jedi masters could have defeated him too.
A lightsaber snap-hissed to life, and suddenly Caedus felt as though he were going to vomit fire.The invisible fist of a Force blast slammed Jaina in the chest and sent her flying back, her breath groaning from her lungs and her lightsaber hissing free of Caedus's stomach. From the fight on Nickel One, she had learned the dangers of letting her head snap back on impact. She tucked her chin, then fought to hold it there as she struck the durasteel wall on the far side of the corridor.
Jaina almost wished that she had been knocked unconscious. Stinging needle-thrusts of pain zippered down her spine as her vertebrae rocked beneath the impact, and the synthmesh supporting her half-healed ribs came apart in a single agonizing pop. She dropped to the floor, fighting to keep her pain from carrying her down into numb oblivion, gazing back to where she had surprised Caedus:where Caedus still stood in the doorway, his mouth gaping in surprise, with a thumb-sized scorch hole just below his ribs. But he was still standing.
Jaina's pain-clouded mind did not understand how he could take a lightsaber through the gut and do that. . Why didn't Caedus just lie down and die like most people? Didn't he understand she was trying to do him a favor?
And he still nearly killed her despite all of that.
I would hope that a fully rested jedi master (like Katarn if he was 100%) could win those advantages, hell I'm not even sure he was fully healed from the duel with Luke(he wasn't during katarn's 4v1 ambush), the duel against the 4 jedi ( I believe he got hit with a blaster bolt at one point), and the injury he got from the mando when he went to rescue Tahiri.