So, your telling me that because I asked a question to demonstrate that even though feats are important, they are not the be-all-end-all of debates makes my point bullshit?
Thats it mister, I'm cutting your porn and cheeto allowance for a week!
And I never said speculation, in fact, point out where I even said the word speculation in this thread please.
Gameplay feats are not a half bad play, and neither is confirmed sources.
But endings that don't happen are as valid as speculation in alot of ways, you've debated this when reffering to Jinpachi havn't you?
Originally posted by Sado22He's both ain't he? Isn't Ash a 100%
cuz he is the artist for the designer. are you proving my point or arguing it? 😕
Originally posted by Sado22😂 If I cut both your hands off you'd still have enough fingers to count how many times I've reported a thread.
did you just say the f word to me?! 🙁
*goes I-emo, reports thread and says "watch yourself mane"*
😂
Originally posted by Sado22Don't know (or care) about most of the stuff you mentioned. Frankie likes the guy in the hat more'n anybody else. The poll was done & Ryu came in 1st. Terry was in second? Awesome. 😐 'Round here, "2nd place" means the same as "the first loser". This is the city of champions! 💃 Fuk 2nd place! Ricky Bobby's dad told me that "if you ain't 1st, you're last!!!"
the guy in the hat who got further in the videogame hero matchup than any fighting game hero (including "hogan"😉? and has fanspaces and fanlists dedictated to him for several years and won in a landslide poll against superheroes and was runner up to Hogan in SFland a.k.a fightersgeneration.com when the poll asked who the greatest hero was?
P.S. If I didn't know any better I'd say you're flat out dodging my shit about the lawsuit. But I know your not that type of person. 🙂
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero1. Feats are the single most important aspect in a debate, they are not theoretical, are not opinion based most of the time, and are based on facts.
So, your telling me that because I asked a question to demonstrate that even though feats are important, they are not the be-all-end-all of debates makes my point bullshit?Thats it mister, I'm cutting your porn and cheeto allowance for a week!
And I never said speculation, in fact, point out where I even said the word speculation in this thread please.
Gameplay feats are not a half bad play, and neither is confirmed sources.
But endings that don't happen are as valid as speculation in alot of ways, you've debated this when reffering to Jinpachi havn't you?
2. Cheetos suck.
3. Okay. Let me rephrase this. We should not go by what is "theoretically" possible. Theoretically, Pyron, being essentially a living sun, should be able to make himself supernova to insta-win a fight.
4. Gameplay is not a good judge of abilities often, certain things in gameplay can be used, but those come after actual feats in the canon.
5. No, I have not. I debated that Jinpachi shouldn't get all the wank and praise because of some vague quote from a fallible character stating he can destroy the world.
Originally posted by Kirikaze FuumaBison in like all other endings I can think of was actually killed by his Drives self-destructing.
non-canon ending doesn't show canon abilities. for example, aside of tank a nuke, Bison was killed by Ken's shoryuken, Dan's hishou burai ken, E-Honda's headbutt, list goes on. these are the [b]examples of non-canon abilities. I think the same goes to Pyron. [/B]
And their is nothing to contradict Pyron's endings.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Bison in like all other endings I can think of was actually killed by his Drives self-destructing.And their is nothing to contradict Pyron's endings.
I just want to give you an example of non-canon ending doesn't show canon abilities. and I don't want to talk about Bison too much here since we are not talking about Bison's endings.
He's both ain't he?
Isn't Ash a 100% Fagcoon creation?
Those screenshots Kriz put up had certain guys names on them. He left out the screen w/the peeps listed under character design. I saw it. It was a whole team. Any of them could have created the characters in question. We don't know enough yet to do anything but make assumptions. I'm not gonna do that.
here is one dude explaining it:
Yeah, at first Capcom just did it as a secret poke at SNK, because apparently they didn't want to get sued for doing a parody of their characters (although I can't understand why they would get sued for that anyhow). Then for some reason in SFA2 they just made him look a bit less like Robert (his hair in SFA1 looked exactly like Robert's except for the color), added multiple taunts, completely changed his move animations, gave him a definite story, made him playable without codes, and the Dan we all know and love was born.
It's odd because there was an old artwork before SFA even came out that showed Sagat holding someone who looked like Dan by the head. I have the art in my Street Fighter II Champion Edition strategy guide. But if you wanna see it, search for it, as it's been posted a million times over in the Capcom forum already.
I'm still looking for the definite source.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroBeats me. Maybe cuz there are alot of fanbois around these parts
Really, then why does Orochi win like 95% of the debates he's been in?
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroBut if the guy has A good feat that shows his strength is superhuman and the other guy has NO FEATS AT ALL. Then the guy wit the one feat will win cuz they're both are perceived equally wit one guy havin' a HUGE lead in power.
Which shows why Feats alone don't work, A stronger person doesn't always win the fight.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroIt did not happen cuz Orochi can't. He is stated in so many words to be able to end life on earth over a period of time but he can't DBZ a planet, yo. He has no feats and was defeated by 3 people wit no feats (Kyo has some "Okay" ones). To say that some how he is stronger than erbody seems like total Bull Shit. There is no evidence. You can try yur hardest to make some which the fanbois do, but if it aint there...it just aint there, man. Now O'course Orochi wont lose to Ryu cuz he can end life on earth over a period of time and Ryu's feats aint THAT X'treme but when goin' up against Akuma or even some of the the other SNK bosses...he wont win.
And I say thats BULL-$h!t, for the same reson Sado calls the same on M.Bisons series of losses from Alpha 3, Orochi is immortal, unhurtable, anf damn near omnipotent (Supposed to be). Iff we go purely by feats, then Orochi should have handed the planet it's own @$$ on a platter. That certainly didn't happen.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Ok, then lets use Capcom logic here, Without relying on [B]any outside media, I want you to name one solid fight feat Pyron has done from the games only, Name me one decent feat from the games only that Orochi or any of his bloodline members couldn't match.[/B]
1.He is hundreds of times bigger than Earth
2.He eats stars
3.And he's made from energy
And Jaxx named alot of thers. You say that's not what you want to hear but it's from the game and it is all said to be canon. I get yur point but CAPCOM, THE CREATORS OF PYRON, said he can do it.
No one in KOF or even Capcom can top that.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroI just did and there are more AND Capcom and UDON have said that the abilities in the comics and in the Alpha movie are all canon (paraphrase). I have never heard such a thing from SNK, dude.
You can't, because they don't exist. Pyron's only skill was getting devoured by Demitri, and thats it.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroWell dude, you got yur opinion and that's fine. You should avoid debatin' me cuz I will not except yur logic and it's clear you wont except mine. We may agree on alot of things but it will always be for different reasons.
I'm a fan of Capcom's fighters as mucj (If not more) than SNK's, but I use more than simple featwars to settle debates, it is, as they say, the skool of old.
Originally posted by Man of Violence
Beats me. Maybe cuz there are alot of fanbois around these partsBut if the guy has A good feat that shows his strength is superhuman and the other guy has NO FEATS AT ALL. Then the guy wit the one feat will win cuz they're both are perceived equally wit one guy havin' a HUGE lead in power.
It did not happen cuz Orochi can't. He is stated in so many words to be able to end life on earth over a period of time but he can't DBZ a planet, yo. He has no feats and was defeated by 3 people wit no feats (Kyo has some "Okay" ones). To say that some how he is stronger than erbody seems like total Bull Shit. There is no evidence. You can try yur hardest to make some which the fanbois do, but if it aint there...it just aint there, man. Now O'course Orochi wont lose to Ryu cuz he can end life on earth over a period of time and Ryu's feats aint THAT X'treme but when goin' up against Akuma or even some of the the other SNK bosses...he wont win.
1.He is hundreds of times bigger than Earth
2.He eats stars
3.And he's made from energy
And Jaxx named alot of thers. You say that's not what you want to hear but it's from the game and it is all said to be canon. I get yur point but CAPCOM, THE CREATORS OF PYRON, said he can do it.
No one in KOF or even Capcom can top that.
I just did and there are more AND Capcom and UDON have said that the abilities in the comics and in the Alpha movie are all canon (paraphrase). I have never heard such a thing from SNK, dude.
Well dude, you got yur opinion and that's fine. You should avoid debatin' me cuz I will not except yur logic and it's clear you wont except mine. We may agree on alot of things but it will always be for different reasons.
*Sigh* Dones NOBODY read what I friggin say anymore? You and Jaxx BOTH missed what I said by leagues... Nowhere was I debating the canon validity of Udon or the Anime's... ALL I asked was that you show me IN-GAME feats that don't rely on outside media... No endings, no comics no movies... Just the friggin raw of the game, and NEITHER of you showed me this...
THIS is why Featwars arn't as high and mighty as some people like to think they are... NOBODY here seems to have any in-game knowlege whatsoever...
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroFew actually have that...
*Sigh* Dones NOBODY read what I friggin say anymore? You and Jaxx BOTH missed what I said by leagues... Nowhere was I debating the canon validity of Udon or the Anime's... ALL I asked was that you show me IN-GAME feats that don't rely on outside media... No endings, no comics no movies... Just the friggin raw of the game, and NEITHER of you showed me this...
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroI have "in-game knowledge". It's just in-game knowledge doesn't all ways applly cuz...ERBODY AINT FROM THE SAME GAME.
THIS is why Featwars arn't as high and mighty as some people like to think they are... NOBODY here seems to have any in-game knowlege whatsoever...
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroEndings are not an outside media source, failure.
*Sigh* Dones NOBODY read what I friggin say anymore? You and Jaxx BOTH missed what I said by leagues... Nowhere was I debating the canon validity of Udon or the Anime's... ALL I asked was that you show me IN-GAME feats that don't rely on outside media... No endings, no comics no movies... Just the friggin raw of the game, and NEITHER of you showed me this...THIS is why Featwars arn't as high and mighty as some people like to think they are... NOBODY here seems to have any in-game knowlege whatsoever...
Everything I named is totally game based.
And wtf is your point? Feats that according to the creators are as good as feats from the game are still usable feats, what would YOU have us consider in debates? The fact that so and so was a "threat to the world" or some other bullshit?
You wanna use lore and random vague quotes to determine debates?
Okay. Pyron is omnipotent and only fought the DSers due to boredom. He beats everyone.
Originally posted by Sado22& you'll likely never find one. Capcom sued Data East over Fighter's History & lost. Never sued SNK because "they were good competition". I think it's really because they didn't consider SNK a threat. Any company that presents ripoff suckassaki as a contender & not the joke that he is is destined for failure. 😄 They created Dan instead of suing.I'm still looking for the definite source.
NOBODY here seems to have any in-game knowlege whatsoever...accept for Sado22
& you'll likely never find one. Capcom sued Data East over Fighter's History & lost. Never sued SNK because "they were good competition". I think it's really because they didn't consider SNK a threat. Any company that presents ripoff suckassaki as a contender & not the joke that he is is destined for failure. They created Dan instead of suing.
Yep, Dan existed b4 in the arts. You conced that there was no lawsuit now? Suing a formidable opponent is a bit<h move. That's why I was pissed when they sued Data East. I think they saw FH as a threat. The characters were way less similar to SF than those in AOF. I think "formidable opponent" was Capcom's nice way of saying "future business failure" 😄
Originally posted by I-Drop
Yep, Dan existed b4 in the arts. You conced that there was no lawsuit now? Suing a formidable opponent is a bit<h move. That's why I was pissed when they sued Data East. I think they saw FH as a threat. The characters were way less similar to SF than those in AOF. I think "formidable opponent" was Capcom's nice way of saying "future business failure" 😄
I thought I was the only one who thought that. I always thought that Capcom sued Data East for that same reason and not because FH was "too similar" to SF. I really get sick of how some people just jump the hate wagon just because Capcom sued them and lost and never even think about exactly WHY they lost.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Endings are not an outside media source, failure.Everything I named is totally game based.
And wtf is your point? Feats that according to the creators are as good as feats from the game are still usable feats, what would YOU have us consider in debates? The fact that so and so was a "threat to the world" or some other bullshit?
You wanna use lore and random vague quotes to determine debates?
Okay. Pyron is omnipotent and only fought the DSers due to boredom. He beats everyone.
Oh for the love of........
I DIDN'T SAY YOU COULD'T USE OTHER MEDIA IN ORDINARY DEBATES!!!
I asked a simple question, and I get the runaround... If you can't name ingame feats you should have fugging said so when I asked in the first place, not drag out the thing over 2 pages...
I mean, for christ sake it's not a difficult thing to admit is it?
Endings are for the most part, what-if's, they have never been canon unless they are CONFIRMED to be so.
And yes, Pyron has a bucketload of ingame, even gameplay feats that you simply either not seeing, or your being stubborn because what I'm asking for doesn't coincide with your almighty story feats...
Come on Jax, your better than that.