Ken Masters VS Geese Howard

Originally posted by Sado22
scars usually form in the aream that is the most heavily damaged. i have a couple of scars of my own and have had a sionus operation as well. the part that takes the brunt of the cut/trauma etc and the one that is most damaged is the one that forms the scar. why i said, we cant use that is because Sagat's shoulder is clearly torn off with the attack. ts like he was hacked with an axe, only upwards instead of downwars. the human body can't heal such a badcase of severtion without the formation of scar tissue. which is why i'm saying we can't use it. for one the event itself is depicted wrong because Sagat had ryu badly beaten, ryu didn't have a red bandana, and ryu did the shoryuken when Sagat was actually trying to help him up.
even if not, the EVENT is depicted right, but what goes on in the fight is not. see what i mean?

1. Sagat is a fictional character, he doesn't have to heal like regular humans.

2. If you read the whole story you will see ryu get his ass beat.

3. The red bandana is a mistake on UDON's part, kinda like how in the Sagat VS Adon story Sagat had like 6 toes.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Featwars only look at single spects of a character is all, people get so caught up in a single feat that it detracts from the rest of the debate.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
For example, Akuma's island busting, yes, a super-huge strength feat though it is, does that win him almost every debate he is involved in here? I dare say it is...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
And that detracts from his other skills and abilities, not to mention that said feats can be misleading, for example, The three Treasures taking down Orochi...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Now, my beef here is that, while Orochi is immortal and massively strong, he has no confirmed feats of his own... Yet we reguard him as a highly vaunted opponent... The very fact that the 3 owned him in the end is used as a feat, but we never know how they did it, this is all in contrast to what we know about their skills and powers anyway...

Featwars.... = illogical and circular nonsense... But feats + character information + skill information = good stuff.

"Featwars".... = logical and sencible debates. But feats + character information + skill information = even better. But...

Feats>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>character information + skill information, That's the point I'm makin'

1. Sagat is a fictional character, he doesn't have to heal like regular humans.

2. If you read the whole story you will see ryu get his ass beat.

3. The red bandana is a mistake on UDON's part, kinda like how in the Sagat VS Adon story Sagat had like 6 toes.

Originally posted by Sado22
you do realize that same can be said about your analogy to the 3inch scar to your kneecap right? 😂

Originally posted by Sado22
i have. Sagat had the upperhand but ryu wasn't beat. canonically, ryu was beat so badly he was on his knees and about to pass out till he went nuts and did the [b]metsushoryuken to Sagat...who was trying to help him up.[/B]

Originally posted by Sado22
keyword is mistake 😂

Originally posted by Man of Violence
That's why peeps wit alot of GOOD feats usually win.

Really, then why does Orochi win like 95% of the debates he's been in?

Originally posted by Man of Violence
Well, it wins him er debate wit an opponent who lacks a simmilar or better feat in terms of strikin' power.

Which shows why Feats alone don't work, A stronger person doesn't always win the fight.

Originally posted by Man of Violence
Seein' as how Orochi has no feats and the 3 Treasures have no really good feats that proves that the 3 Treasures are better than Orochi cuz they fought at simillar lvls and the 3 Treasures won.

And I say thats BULL-$h!t, for the same reson Sado calls the same on M.Bisons series of losses from Alpha 3, Orochi is immortal, unhurtable, anf damn near omnipotent (Supposed to be). Iff we go purely by feats, then Orochi should have handed the planet it's own @$$ on a platter. That certainly didn't happen.

Originally posted by Man of Violence
The thing is we don't "reguard him as a highly vaunted opponent". Only some of you. He aint to me cuz he hasn't proven it and he has no feats or any real special powers that are powerful enough to help him. You have to see things this way cuz the logic that works for 1 game aint gonna work on another from a completly different company and franchise. For example, SF hardly ever jobs and their characters are prone to have more feats and KOF jobs all the time. Is it fair to pit an instance of jobbin' against actual feats? No.

"Featwars".... = logical and sencible debates. But feats + character information + skill information = even better. But...

Feats>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>character information + skill information, That's the point I'm makin'

Ok, then lets use Capcom logic here, Without relying on any outside media, I want you to name one solid fight feat Pyron has done from the games only, Name me one decent feat from the games only that Orochi or any of his bloodline members couldn't match.

You can't, because they don't exist. Pyron's only skill was getting devoured by Demitri, and thats it.

I'm a fan of Capcom's fighters as mucj (If not more) than SNK's, but I use more than simple featwars to settle debates, it is, as they say, the skool of old.

Good feats from Pyron in the game?

Turning the planet into a ring that orbits his finger.

When reverting to mortal form, destroying an entire civilization of Darkstalkers when landing in the Atlantic.

Releasing his energies and separating Bishamon from his sword and armor.

Speaking to the entire dimension of Makai, and luring them to Earth so he could battle them.

As seen in the third ending, he can devour/destroy Makai.

While mortal, even though he lost, he was able to give Demitri, who was currently the most powerful Darkstalker alive, a good fight, by Demitri's own words in the canon ending Pyron was a worthy opponent.

Eating planets(dur).

So yeah, even using just games, Pyron has great feats, and as you know, OVA and UDON show canonical powers.

Feats are important, now sure, Gouki's punching power won't grant him every win, but it is an advantage he has over many an opponent, and if his other attributes such as skill, speed, durability, power, and whatnot are sufficient, he should win. Feats are the definitive and most important factor in deciding a debate.

And since Orochi is as you basically said a featless wonder whose only feat is getting beaten by three dudes, who are also featless wonders(except Kyo who has a few decent feats), yeah, I don't know why he wins so many threads. Oh wait yeah I do, character cock-stroking.

Originally posted by Sado22
yup. Iori and Ryu ends in ryu's defeat. that i'm very certain about.
Kyo and ryu would be a solid good fight (provided Kyo doesn't get bloodlusted).
Ryo and ryu would also be a great fight, and just cuz they were made by the same guy

Originally posted by Sado22
and ryu came first doesn't mean ryo's a loser. i don't even known what being a "ripoff" has anything to do with fighting ability 😕

That's an assumption & we ALL know it.

I also imagine Dan would not have been created as a spoof on the AOF guys either. They way ripoff got "treated" in the Capcom games & in the comics that went w/'em shows how much respect they don't seem to have for his design also(Ryu one shots him & calls him a "thief" & says he's "embarrassing the style"😉.

If you can't say 100% beyond the shadow of a doubt that they were in fact created by the same cat(s), then it's best that we not say it @all.

It doesn't. I even gave ripoff the W over Paul. Even though Paul's waaaaaay cooler. Nice to see you finally calling ripoff by his real name

Originally posted by Sado22
we've been through this enough times bub. it all comes down to the fact that the gameplanners of the game ARE the ones telling the designers what to design. the IDEA is their's. we've even sent you links to this fact and given you a detailed explanation of the whole process 😂
and heck, who in the world can be proud of making the most redundant, overly boring, overrated person on the planet next to wolverine 😛

Originally posted by Sado22
i've read that noncanon steaming pile of garbage that has ryu look and dress like a chinese dude with wavy middle part hair. that boyband street fighter bull was lame 😘
as for Dan, they created him AFTER losing the case, as i've already explained.

The thing I saw had Ryu looking as he normaly does. Will look for it 2morrow.

Originally posted by Sado22
the DESIGNER for both are the same people. 100% sure.

Who would be proud of making THE lamest loser of fighting games history, who'se whole career revolves around hogan routine ?

Ya'll sent me stuff that never proved anything. When I asked Kriz if he'd proven it, he couldn't give me a simple "yes"

~Sado

You do realize that people can design & "make" the characters also. Didn't Fagcoon draw & make @ss Crimson, Alba & varoius other f@ggish designs? I'm not into making assumptions as much as you are. Truth is we don't know who created what. They could have just approved the designs that the designers made. @least Kriz was smart enough to know no concrete shit had been brought to the table. Until I see something saying "so & so created Ryu & ripoff", you can go fvck yourself j/k 😂 Seriously though, you got anything saying that Capcom tried to sue SNK or is this more anti Capcom bullshit from you?

P.S. Ryu's career could revolve around taking shits in the forrest, he'd still be more of an icon than that guy in the hat or the ripoff who looks like Ken will ever be 😄

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
However, nobody here even considers what would theoretically happen and go on and on about feats that it becomes an endless cycle of featwars and circular logic.

When you start getting hypothetical shit gets stupid and exaggerated, hence the point of feats. Feats can't be debated, because they happened.

Hypothetically speaking, Ryu wins because he can shoot a hadouken into the atmosphere, setting it on fire and killing everyone.

😬

@Jaxx: Ok, A): I wasn't talking to you, and B): all of that is either from another source, unconfirmed, or from an ending.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Turning the planet into a ring that orbits his finger.

Ending which never happened. Not an IN-GAME feat either

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
When reverting to mortal form, destroying an entire civilization of Darkstalkers when landing in the Atlantic.

Never seen this in-game, source? And remember, anything not from within the game is not what I'm asking for

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Releasing his energies and separating Bishamon from his sword and armor.

Never seen this one either, source? see above.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Speaking to the entire dimension of Makai, and luring them to Earth so he could battle them.

Not seen ingame either, source? see above. And also, even if I let this in, what good would it do?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
As seen in the third ending, he can devour/destroy Makai.

Ending feat thats also non-canon...

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
While mortal, even though he lost, he was able to give Demitri, who was currently the most powerful Darkstalker alive, a good fight, by Demitri's own words in the canon ending Pyron was a worthy opponent.

Source? Although it's canon, it's still an ending, and also, whern't you the one who said defeating opponents isn't a feat?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Eating planets(dur).

Not seen in-game, doesn't qualify to my question.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
So yeah, even using just games, Pyron has great feats, and as you know, OVA and UDON show canonical powers.

I know that, but I am asking a question, about 95% of feats used arn't even generated within the game itself, but by other media seen with the characters is the point I'm making.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Feats are important, now sure, Gouki's punching power won't grant him every win, but it is an advantage he has over many an opponent, and if his other attributes such as skill, speed, durability, power, and whatnot are sufficient, he should win. Feats are the definitive and most important factor in deciding a debate.

I disagree, feats only serve us a single side to a debate, wtf happened to the rest? it gets tossed aside simply because people like to compare feats? yeah, then they begin to tear up the validity of eachother's feats and the whole thing degenerates to mindless flames... That is what I seek to avoid with this thread, and many others.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
And since Orochi is as you basically said a featless wonder whose only feat is getting beaten by three dudes, who are also featless wonders(except Kyo who has a few decent feats), yeah, I don't know why he wins so many threads. Oh wait yeah I do, character cock-stroking.

No Jaxx... It's because of background story/history and character lore, which both sides of the Capcom/SNK war have been using since debates where formed. You see what I mean now? Feats can only tell us so much. What happens when your faced with a vague character? "Oh he must be a weak @$$ed biach because he's got no feats", which, of course is utter nonsense.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
When you start getting hypothetical shit gets stupid and exaggerated, hence the point of feats. Feats can't be debated, because they happened.

Hypothetically speaking, Ryu wins because he can shoot a hadouken into the atmosphere, setting it on fire and killing everyone.

😬

Blax, you know better than that, the entire point of these debates is to see who would theoretically win anyways...

Err, Ryu's Hadouken Dopes not equal thermonuclear radiation= nor does it burn hot enough to light up the atmosphere..., AND, we don't know the Hadouken's maximum effective range...

Nice try though.

We don't know it's range, nor it's maximum power.

It's theoretically possible though.

You do realize that people can design & "make" the characters also. Didn't Fagcoon draw & make @ss Crimson, Alba & varoius other f@ggish designs?

Until I see something saying "so & so created Ryu & ripoff", you can go fvck yourself j/k Seriously though, you got anything saying that Capcom tried to sue SNK or is this more anti Capcom bullshit from you?

Ryu's career could revolve around taking shits in the forrest, he'd still be more of an icon than that guy in the hat or the ripoff who looks like Ken will ever be

not by a longshot bub. even haters, respect terry enough. like you do.

~Sado

I'm with I-Drop on that last quote, Ryu will always be more of a bigger icon then Terry especially when it comes to the wider public mainly because its Street Fighter and two its Capcom, Don't get me wrong SNK is good with their King Of Fighters games but compared to the wider public King Of Fighters is like a pebble compared to Street Fighter.

you're right. but only in US and places where fighting games arent' the shite anymore

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
We don't know it's range, nor it's maximum power.

It's theoretically possible though.

Theoretical within reason, If it's range where that high, then the SFer universes earth would be nothing but a potmarked hellhole due to all the missed ki blasts...

It's not theoretically possible, given the information we have, the Shankunetsu Hadouken burns, but doesn't immolate like Gouki's does, and even if it did, it wouldn't burn hot enough to light up an atmosphere... you'd need thousands of digrees of heat over a massive area (Like a HUGE atomic blast) to even begin that proccess.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
@Jaxx: Ok, A): I wasn't talking to you, and B): all of that is either from another source, unconfirmed, or from an ending.

Ending which never happened. Not an IN-GAME feat either

Never seen this in-game, source? And remember, anything not from within the game is not what I'm asking for

Never seen this one either, source? see above.

Not seen ingame either, source? see above. And also, even if I let this in, what good would it do?

Ending feat thats also non-canon...

Source? Although it's canon, it's still an ending, and also, whern't you the one who said defeating opponents isn't a feat?

Not seen in-game, doesn't qualify to my question.

I know that, but I am asking a question, about 95% of feats used arn't even generated within the game itself, but by other media seen with the characters is the point I'm making.

I disagree, feats only serve us a single side to a debate, wtf happened to the rest? it gets tossed aside simply because people like to compare feats? yeah, then they begin to tear up the validity of eachother's feats and the whole thing degenerates to mindless flames... That is what I seek to avoid with this thread, and many others.

No Jaxx... It's because of background story/history and character lore, which both sides of the Capcom/SNK war have been using since debates where formed. You see what I mean now? Feats can only tell us so much. What happens when your faced with a vague character? "Oh he must be a weak @$$ed biach because he's got no feats", which, of course is utter nonsense.