Okay, okay. Think about it:
Goku wanted to stay dead because he thought that him being there would endanger the planet.
Goku did not intend to have Gohan get almost killed by Cell: he thought Gohan would have the will to fight Cell.
Goku is never shown hugging Gohan, but it is assumed that he does because that is normal, whereas it was said that Vegeta never hugged trunks.
Goku comes down from heaven to save Gohan.
Let's compare two scenes w/Goku/Gohan and Vegeta/Trunks in the time chamber:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpS3ZoWr-0Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH_m90FTK7E
Goku intended to save Gohan and the others, but saw Dende and Hercules and though "hey minus well save them TOO" but miscalculated and didn't have time to save the others
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Okay, okay. Think about it:Goku wanted to stay dead because he thought that him being there would endanger the planet.
Goku did not intend to have Gohan get almost killed by Cell: he thought Gohan would have the will to fight Cell.
Goku is never shown hugging Gohan, but it is assumed that he does because that is normal, whereas it was said that Vegeta never hugged trunks.
Goku comes down from heaven to save Gohan.
Let's compare two scenes w/Goku/Gohan and Vegeta/Trunks in the time chamber:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpS3ZoWr-0Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH_m90FTK7E
Goku intended to save Gohan and the others, but saw Dende and Hercules and though "hey minus well save them TOO" but miscalculated and didn't have time to save the others
Which doesn't really give him the right to abandon everybody. And it doesn't change the fact he didn't want to come back to Earth after Namek's explosion if I recall and took a year to return.
Which means Gokou doesn't know Gohan at all. While Piccolo does. Doesn't help Gokou's case.
Gokou's usually just training with Gohan. He never has much time for anything else. He doesn't care about anybody elses feelings at all.
Are you talking about the Kamehameha war or Bojack movie?
He knew he didn't have time to IT more than once. He wanted to save them but couldn't. But that just makes Gokou the nice guy he is that wants to save everybody. It had nothing to do with his sons. Vegeta got extremely angry that Trunks wasn't saved while Gokou was sad he couldn't do anything to save Piccolo, Trunks, or his sons.
Originally posted by jimBOFHYes, yes he does. lol Maybe he was worn out from fighting Buu..or Gohan was staring at him angrily so he didn't hurt Pan so he lost on purpose. Or how cool would it be to see a teen beat up a kid? When he can play off loosing as being nice.
Wait- doesn't Goten have to fight Buu in the first round? So if he lost to Pan...then he beat Buu...wtf!?
It's endangering the entire planet.
Doesn't mean he doesn't know Gohan, he just wasn't thinking logically.
Goku doesn't care about anyone's feelings? I thought he was a hero!
Both
He doesn't need to do 2 ITs, he could just grab them all and do one. But he was too slow, it's not because he cared about hercules and dende more than Gohan, Goten, Trunks and Piccilo.
He beat Buu? LOL I have a Q though: why doesn't Buu regenerate during/after the buu vs kid buu fight like he always does? He needed dende.
Except that was just Gokou trying to justify not coming back.
Gokou MADE Gohan fight Cell thinking Gohan would fight back. He needed Piccolo to tell him Gohan was a pacifist. Gokou thinks Gohan is like him when he's not. He doesn't know Gohan at all. He knows Gohan's power that is it.
Being a hero = caring about how people feel? Like how he made Gohan fight, or made Gohan train even if ChiChi didn't want it, or left ChiChi to go train a 10 year old without even talking to her, or training instead of going to a reunion of his friends and family when he can train anytime? Yea he really cares about others.
Bojack was non-canon, and Gohan needed the pep talk to save Earth in Cell saga.
Except Gokou wasn't fast enought to save both, he knew it, and chose Dende, and Mr. Satan. The closer ones. And he tried to IT away because he couldn't IT to Gohan and them and then IT away. He chose Dende and Satan over his family to save.
Non-Canon Goten beats Fat Buu at EoZ. But it's not shown how. It just shows him loose to Pan who would be his second opponent.
Vegeta states that Kid Buu was actually hurting Fat Buu where as nothing else really hurt them. Fat Buu was getting weaker each hit unlike normal.
The episode was "Goku's NOBLE decision"
He convinced Gohan to, he didn't say "YOU SHALL FIGHT OR I'LL GROUND YOU!!!!!!!!!!!"
So you're saying that Goku doesn't care about others? Why would he risk/give his life to save others then? Only villians don't care about anyone.
It was non-canon, but the people that made the movie probably made the characters do what they would've done w/their personality.
Are you saying he cares about Dende and Hercules more?
How does he beat Buu???
SSJ3 Goku couldn't hurt him, and Buu didn't regenerate after the fight without the help of Dende for some wierd reason.
Real noble...Seeing as how he decided to leave his family to train again just dead.
He convinced he son to go out there..Who doesn't like to fight at all. Still doesn't mean he knows anything about Gohan. Gohan would rather study like his mom wants than fight like his dad wants.
Gokou cares about others. He just doesn't care about their feelings. That's why he does stuff like he does.
No I'm saying he doesn't really care about anybody more than anybody else. Satan and Dende were closer, he got to them, and felt sorry he couldn't save Piccolo, Trunks, and his sons. Vegeta on the other hand was angry his son was killed but didn't care about the rest.
It never showed how he beat Buu.
Because Fat Buu was actually hurt and lost a lot of ki. Him being blown up and reforming isn't him getting hurt. Kid Buu was able to hurt him. Vegeta even states that the Buu's can hurt each other and that Fat Buu will die soon if he isn't saved.
Then why is that the episode's title?
Gohan actually wanted to train with Goku; he trained very hard during that 3 year time and the time chamber, but is often seen drawing pictures when he should be studying. Goku sees this, and assumes that it also means that Gohan likes to fight.
He cares about others then. Including Gohan.
He actually showed sorrow over Gohan, Goten and Trunks but for some reason not Picollo. And he cared more when they died than when Gero blew up that city.
PIS?
Does it take "ki" for him to reform?
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Then why is that the episode's title?Gohan actually wanted to train with Goku; he trained very hard during that 3 year time and the time chamber, but is often seen drawing pictures when he should be studying. Goku sees this, and assumes that it also means that Gohan likes to fight.
He cares about others then. Including Gohan.
He actually showed sorrow over Gohan, Goten and Trunks but for some reason not Picollo. And he cared more when they died than when Gero blew up that city.
PIS?
Does it take "ki" for him to reform?
I'm not sure there's a logical link between "drawing pictures" and "wants to fight the worlds most powerful android". Goku sees what he wants to see- that's always been his biggest fault, he's hopelessly naive.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallEpisode title = truth? Gokou didn't think about anybody elses feelings and while everybody else is sad he's all happy go lucky wanting to go train harder.
Then why is that the episode's title?Gohan actually wanted to train with Goku; he trained very hard during that 3 year time and the time chamber, but is often seen drawing pictures when he should be studying. Goku sees this, and assumes that it also means that Gohan likes to fight.
He cares about others then. Including Gohan.
He actually showed sorrow over Gohan, Goten and Trunks but for some reason not Picollo. And he cared more when they died than when Gero blew up that city.
PIS?
Does it take "ki" for him to reform?
Yea of course he trains...Androids were coming to destroy the world. What else is he going to do sit around and do nothing when he could do something?
Gokou cares for a lot of people sure. But he doesn't care about their feelings and what actually matters. He's happy they are alive, and all that but he does what he pleases no matter what will happen.
Because he knows them. He turned Super Saiyan because Krillen died also because he was angered by his friend dying. That doesn't prove much except that he cares about everybody he knows pretty much equally because it's his personality. Just like it's his personality to do what he wants with no thought to how other will feel. Which is what makes him a bad father and husband, and friend.
Who knows. I'm sure Goten could trick Buu out of the ring which is all he would need to do. In the manga we don't even know if Goten beats Fat Buu though. That's just the anime it happens.
I'm guessing it does. As Vegeta said he's getting weaker, and Dende has to heal him because he's hurt enough for Vegeta to think he can kill him with just a normal blast.
Originally posted by Kento
Episode title = truth? Gokou didn't think about anybody elses feelings and while everybody else is sad he's all happy go lucky wanting to go train harder.Yea of course he trains...Androids were coming to destroy the world. What else is he going to do sit around and do nothing when he could do something?
Gokou cares for a lot of people sure. But he doesn't care about their feelings and what actually matters. He's happy they are alive, and all that but he does what he pleases no matter what will happen.
Because he knows them. He turned Super Saiyan because Krillen died also because he was angered by his friend dying. That doesn't prove much except that he cares about everybody he knows pretty much equally because it's his personality. Just like it's his personality to do what he wants with no thought to how other will feel. Which is what makes him a bad father and husband, and friend.
Who knows. I'm sure Goten could trick Buu out of the ring which is all he would need to do. In the manga we don't even know if Goten beats Fat Buu though. That's just the anime it happens.
I'm guessing it does. As Vegeta said he's getting weaker, and Dende has to heal him because he's hurt enough for Vegeta to think he can kill him with just a normal blast.
The title was made by the anime makers, and what they say is canon unless contradicted by Akira. Besides, Goku doesn't lie; it isn't his character.
I know, and Goku thought that meant he liked to fight.
So your feelings are more important than your life?
So he cares about Hercules as much as Gohan/Krillen???
Maybe....
Ok
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
The title was made by the anime makers, and what they say is canon unless contradicted by Akira. Besides, Goku doesn't lie; it isn't his character.I know, and Goku thought that meant he liked to fight.
So your feelings are more important than your life?
So he cares about Hercules as much as Gohan/Krillen???
Maybe....
Ok
Episode titles really mean nothing. No to mention while everybody else is sad Gokou is gone he's all happy wanting to train not caring.
Which mean Gokou doesn't know Gohan at all. Which is the point.
What? Going off to do whatever he wants no matter how it'll make his wife feel doesn't exactly make him that great. He save them and everybody else. He's a hero but he's not a very good friend, husband, or father.
I think everybody is pretty much the same in Gokou's eyes. He doesn't treat anybody different and he doesn't show he likes somebody more than somebody else.