Darth Vader vs Darth Nihilus

Decent writing?

Honestly, Faunus, that's the understatement of the century. Publius is among the finest authors I've ever encountered and certainly better than any of LFL's licensed authors. Any post-RotJ Sith literature needs to burn. Not that it matters, Palpatine is still the greatest and most powerful Sith even without it.

I read a really great story called Into the Storm about an alternate universe where Luke was captured by Vader at the end of ESB and brought before the Emperor. It concerns Palpatine versus Luke in a battle of wills. It's amazing. Veneficus loves it, too, and it has the most chilling Palpatine I've ever read. Better than Publius's, even.

Originally posted by Gideon
Decent writing?

Honestly, Faunus, that's the understatement of the century. Publius is among the finest authors I've ever encountered and certainly better than any of LFL's licensed authors.

Not that it matters, Palpatine is still the greatest and most powerful Sith even without it.

I read a really great story called Into the Storm about an alternate universe where Luke was captured by Vader at the end of ESB and brought before the Emperor. It concerns Palpatine versus Luke in a battle of wills. It's amazing. Veneficus loves it, too, and it has the most chilling Palpatine I've ever read. Better than Publius's, even.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4302076/1/Into_the_Storm

Originally posted by Faunus
When he doesn't get carried away with his metaphors, I prefer Stover.

That's like suggesting that if you purged the megalomania from Adolf Hitler, he'd be a nice guy. Stover drowns his audience in metaphors and it is a habit. That doesn't mean he's bad -- he's the best author LFL has (with Luceno taking second place). But his metaphors aren't as great as those of Publius nor is his overall writing ability.

Publius > Stover. Not by yards or miles, but the distance is there.

But segments of ToW were certainly more eloquent than anything in current EU.

The majority of it, actually. Hell, I can't find a single problem with any of Publius's works. You need to read the Silver Fox chronicles on his website, concerning a thought-criminal aptly named Silver Fox who antagonizes a ruthless, female ISB agent. It's better than ToW and demonstrates that Publius can characterize like no other.

Which doesn't concern me.

So you say. But I will not be satisfied until you make a post confessing your staunch love for Darth Sidious and Ian McDiarmid. Until then, I will harrass you with Palpatine's victory over his detractors and the infidels!

Link?

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4302076/1/Into_the_Storm

Be warned: Unlike Publius, this story has noticeable grammatical errors and lacks his polish. But the dialogue is, in some places, cleverer, particularly the wordplay between the Emperor and Luke. Vader, Han, Leia, and Mara are all prominent characters, but Luke and Palpatine take centerstage. This story receives dozens of reviews from other amateur authors giving accolades for Blank101's portrayal of Palpatine. I have to agree -- it's far more perverse and chilling than Publius's. But at the same time, it fashions Luke into a formidable enemy.

Edit: Have you read it, Red?

Originally posted by Gideon
That's like suggesting that if you purged the megalomania from Adolf Hitler, he'd be a nice guy. Stover drowns his audience in metaphors and it is a habit. That doesn't mean he's bad -- he's the best author LFL has (with Luceno taking second place). But his metaphors aren't as great as those of Publius nor is his overall writing ability.

Publius > Stover. Not by yards or miles, but the distance is there.

The majority of it, actually. Hell, I can't find a single problem with any of Publius's works. You need to read the Silver Fox chronicles on his website, concerning a thought-criminal aptly named Silver Fox who antagonizes a ruthless, female ISB agent. It's better than ToW and demonstrates that Publius can characterize like no other.

So you say. But I will not be satisfied until you make a post confessing your staunch love for Darth Sidious and Ian McDiarmid. Until then, I will harrass you with Palpatine's victory over his detractors and the infidels!

I've already gone over (twice) how much I favor the OT depictions of the character and his portrayal in Sithisis.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4302076/1/Into_the_Storm

Be warned: Unlike Publius, this story has noticeable grammatical errors and lacks his polish. But the dialogue is, in some places, cleverer, particularly the wordplay between the Emperor and Luke. Vader, Han, Leia, and Mara are all prominent characters, but Luke and Palpatine take centerstage. This story receives dozens of reviews from other amateur authors giving accolades for Blank101's portrayal of Palpatine. I have to agree -- it's far more perverse and chilling than Publius's. But at the same time, it fashions Luke into a formidable enemy.

Edit: Have you read it, Red?

While we are on the subject of fan fiction, have any of you read the stories written by "YodaKenobi" on TF.net?

Originally posted by Gideon
Decent writing?

Honestly, Faunus, that's the understatement of the century. Publius is among the finest authors I've ever encountered and certainly better than any of LFL's licensed authors. Any post-RotJ Sith literature needs to burn. Not that it matters, Palpatine is still the greatest and most powerful Sith even without it.

I read a really great story called Into the Storm about an alternate universe where Luke was captured by Vader at the end of ESB and brought before the Emperor. It concerns Palpatine versus Luke in a battle of wills. It's amazing. Veneficus loves it, too, and it has the most chilling Palpatine I've ever read. Better than Publius's, even.

probably a stupid question but who is publius?

Originally posted by sigma-ct42
probably a stupid question but who is publius?

Gideon's master 🥷

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
You know what I just realized? The durasteel hut was hollow. It would be no more difficult to destroy it than to crush multiple doors at once, and probably easier. This feat just lost all traces of prestige that it once had. Instead of "crushing a 100 lb. dumbell" it would be better to say "crushing a hollow plastic rattle." It be closer to the actual phenomenon that we saw.

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
And where wa it stated to be hollow? The hut itself or the foundations of it? Just a little confused.

well it's a hut dude. all huts are hollow.

Originally posted by sigma-ct42
well it's a hut dude. all huts are hollow.

Lets see, so because the hut is hollow vader is just another average joe that was able to crush?

I love how people always like to make vader look extremely weak in the force, sure it doesn't compare to lifting a massive ship that we don't know the full circumstances off but to make it sound as if what vader has done is "nothing special" and imply that the average joe jedi can do it is... absurd.

I don't even know why such a thread was created in the first place and it seems common sense has eluded some people, if nihilus can really annihilate vader with ease then surely he can do the same to emperor palpatine at his peak being only 20% more powerful than vader.

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
I meant the materials made to build the hut, i got the impression he meant the steel was "hollow".

Lets see, so because the hut is hollow vader is just another average joe that was able to crush?

oh sorry.

i don't think anyone is trying to downplay vader here. he certainly has some amazing feats. but yeah come on, a hollow hut? i think the weakest force user could crush it without struggle.i wouldn't call it his MOST amazing feat.

Originally posted by sigma-ct42
oh sorry.

i don't think anyone is trying to downplay vader here. he certainly has some amazing feats. but yeah come on, a hollow hut? i think the weakest force user could crush it without struggle.i wouldn't call it his MOST amazing feat.

NO. I would appreciate it if you let me make my point here. You were incorrect, and I don't want S. to think that was my position.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
NO. I would appreciate it if you let me make my point here. You were incorrect, and I don't want S. to think that was my position.

Originally posted by sigma-ct42
oh sorry.

i don't think anyone is trying to downplay vader here. he certainly has some amazing feats. but yeah come on, a hollow hut? i think the weakest force user could crush it without struggle.

Its simple, the structure has powerful foundations that supports the entire structure and outright prevents it from collpasing.

So vader didn't merely destroy a "weak hut", he destroyed everything, the foundations, bent steel(steel > organic flesh by the way) and crushed everything that was inside the massive hut.

And any weaking can destroy a massive hut? LOL no offence but that is the most idiotic comment i have ever seen in KMC seriously, i guess a TESB luke in training that could barely lift an X-wing is going to destroy the same massive hut like vader and without breaking any sweat.

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
You DO realise if it was as weak as you say, that the hut would collapse by it self?

Its simple, the structure has powerful foundations that supports the entire structure and outright prevents it from collpasing.

So vader didn't merely destroy a "weak hut", he destroyed everything, the foundations, bent steel(steel > organic flesh by the way) and crushed everything that was inside the massive hut.

And any weaking can destroy a massive hut? LOL no offence but that is the most idiotic comment i have ever seen in KMC seriously, i guess a TESB luke in training that could barely lift an X-wing is going to destroy the same massive hut like vader and without breaking any sweat.

like i said. i'm sorry. i'm not thinking straight. i'm working under stress on a hard lesson coupled with a fuzzy head(actually i shouldn't be on this forum) my bad.

Is this famous hut from the force unleashed video game (intro level)?

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
Aside from this battle, are you actually downplaying vaders feats claiming that him crushing a massive hut isn't anything special nor is it a feat at all? And where wa it stated to be hollow? The hut itself or the foundations of it? Just a little confused.

The hut has a hollow living space- by its very definition, in order to function it must be hollow.

I was perhaps overzealous in my initial wording, I was just overenthused because I felt that I had found a way to quell the "LULZ 10 LB DUMBBELL" idiocy. The simple fact is that it is easy to compress a tin can, but no so easy to compress an ingot of metal (like a dumbbell.) I had discovered the exact way in which the analogy was flawed. Vader's feat isn't weak, and by no means is it unimpressive. It is not comparable to N. or even his strongest Force Feat.

Anakin Skywalker used the force to demolish durasteel blast doors on the Invisible hand. He used a Force-Scream to demolish a building in Labyrinth of Evil. He is not weak. To use an example like the demolition of a building, (no matter how many nonsensical prefixes are attached to the name of the material it is made of) to counter a feat like Nilihus's The Ravager is absurd.

The destruction of the blast doors is of most interest to me. The force required to bend the metal would be similar to that required to crush the hut, as they were both made of the same material. The only difference between the two events is the direction of the force: On the IH the force came from 1 direction, the hut required multiple angles. The applied energy would be roughly equal, or perhaps proportional to the Hut's size.

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The destruction of a building simply requires less force than the levitation of a warship. To argue otherwise is to argue from ignorance. When compared with N.'s feat, it simply does not measure up.. N.'s TK >>> Vader's. (That we have been shown thus far.)

For the record, I dislike the idea that no-one can be very much better than Vader, simply because no one is allowed to be better than Palpatine. Isn't it ABC logic to say that if N. curbstomps Vader with his TK (which is fact) then he would also curbstomp Sidious? Vader=/=Sidious, and the two have very different approaches to combat and the Force itself. I don't think that Palpatine puts an upper limit on the power of those able to defeat Vader.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
The hut has a hollow living space- by its very definition, in order to function it must be hollow.

I was perhaps overzealous in my initial wording, I was just overenthused because I felt that I had found a way to quell the "LULZ 10 LB DUMBBELL" idiocy. The simple fact is that it is easy to compress a tin can, but no so easy to compress an ingot of metal (like a dumbbell.) I had discovered the exact way in which the analogy was flawed. Vader's feat isn't weak, and by no means is it unimpressive. It is not comparable to N. or even his strongest Force Feat.

Anakin Skywalker used the force to demolish durasteel blast doors on the Invisible hand. He used a Force-Scream to demolish a building in Labyrinth of Evil. He is not weak. To use an example like the demolition of a building, (no matter how many nonsensical prefixes are attached to the name of the material it is made of) to counter a feat like Nilihus's The Ravager is absurd.

The destruction of the blast doors is of most interest to me. The force required to bend the metal would be similar to that required to crush the hut, as they were both made of the same material. The only difference between the two events is the direction of the force: On the IH the force came from 1 direction, the hut required multiple angles. The applied energy would be roughly equal, or perhaps proportional to the Hut's size.

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The destruction of a building simply requires less force than the levitation of a warship. To argue otherwise is to argue from ignorance. When compared with N.'s feat, it simply does not measure up.. N.'s TK >>> Vader's. (That we have been shown thus far.)

For the record, I dislike the idea that no-one can be very much better than Vader, simply because no one is allowed to be better than Palpatine. Isn't it ABC logic to say that if N. curbstomps Vader with his TK (which is fact) then he would also curbstomp Sidious? Vader=/=Sidious, and the two have very different approaches to combat and the Force itself. I don't think that Palpatine puts an upper limit on the power of those able to defeat Vader.

just curious but when did vader do this feat? was it the force unleashed? or some novel or comic?

Edit: Have you read it, Red?

I have now. I thought it was very good. I didn't like how Leia/Han were just sort of dropped before the climax. There should have been some closure in that story arc. Aside from the errors (of which there were many) It rivals TOW as a feat of Fanfiction.