Originally posted by Red NemesisNo body is arguing that vaders TK surpasses that of N except SID 66 but thanks for clearing that up.
The hut has a hollow living space- by its very definition, in order to function it must be hollow.I was perhaps overzealous in my initial wording, I was just overenthused because I felt that I had found a way to quell the "LULZ 10 LB DUMBBELL" idiocy. The simple fact is that it is easy to compress a tin can, but no so easy to compress an ingot of metal (like a dumbbell.) I had discovered the exact way in which the analogy was flawed. Vader's feat isn't weak, and by no means is it unimpressive. It is not comparable to N. or even his strongest Force Feat.
Anakin Skywalker used the force to demolish durasteel blast doors on the Invisible hand. He used a Force-Scream to demolish a building in Labyrinth of Evil. He is not weak. To use an example like the demolition of a building, (no matter how many nonsensical prefixes are attached to the name of the material it is made of) to counter a feat like Nilihus's The Ravager is absurd.
The destruction of the blast doors is of most interest to me. The force required to bend the metal would be similar to that required to crush the hut, as they were both made of the same material. The only difference between the two events is the direction of the force: On the IH the force came from 1 direction, the hut required multiple angles. The applied energy would be roughly equal, or perhaps proportional to the Hut's size.
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The destruction of a building simply requires less force than the levitation of a warship. To argue otherwise is to argue from ignorance. When compared with N.'s feat, it simply does not measure up.. N.'s TK >>> Vader's. (That we have been shown thus far.)
For the record, I dislike the idea that no-one can be very much better than Vader, simply because no one is allowed to be better than Palpatine. Isn't it ABC logic to say that if N. curbstomps Vader with his TK (which is fact) then he would also curbstomp Sidious? Vader=/=Sidious, and the two have very different approaches to combat and the Force itself. I don't think that Palpatine puts an upper limit on the power of those able to defeat Vader.
But why i brought up the If N could >>>> Vader that he could >>> Sid as well is not simply because of that stupid A>B>C nonsense crap that anime fanwankers love to employ.
While it is true that vader and palpatines approach to combat and the force, how does that stop palpatine from getting raped by TK that lifted a ship and crushed his apprentice? There are people who make it sound like vader isn't going to conjure up any kind of defence or a counter attack and just outright let N annihilate him with the force.
I just don't get it, if such aw3s0m3 TK is going to curbstomp vader, i can see the same happening to someone merely 20% more powerful even if his approach to combat is different.
EDIT: If his TK can really cause so much damage, why wasn't it emplyed during the battle against the exile in his ship? Yes he was weakened and was going to get killed but i still don't see why he wouldn't employ TK to disarm them or even kill them.