Kratos vs Dante

Originally posted by Gumachi
(Don't forget the Greek Gods carried Mortal Bodies and died easily by getting impaled).So maybe Mundus wasn't AS powerful as Zeus. Argosax was. So was Odin. The Archangel isn't exactly a pushover. And let's not forget Satan! Just a few of the Gods and Deities Dante's utterly stomped in his long God-slaying career. Kratos controls time? So? Dante does, too - The Bangle of Time and Quiksilver.

Dante sealed away omnipotent beings, slew immortal gods, felled legions of demons and angels, all without breaking a sweat. Realistically speaking, there are maybe two dozen characters in all of fiction that actually stand a chance of challenging a full-power Dante.

1) Dante slew Lucifer (A feat easily comparable, if not superior to, slaying Zeus, which Kratos has yet to do)
2) Dante can take 10,000,000 hits way better than Kratos can take one - check out the DMC3 intro scene to mission 1, where Dante gets stabbed like 6x and doesn't even notice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGv5w3kCVHc
3) While Kratos has power while holding the Blade of Olympus, standing next to a statue of the (now dead) Athena, and with a Titan...

Dante has done none of those things, immortal Gods? omnipotent beings lmao, ime sorry but your being ridiculous now, the most powerufl being Dante has ever faced and defeated was Munudus or embodiment of sin, ill quote everytihng you said that was a lie below

Dante sealed away omnipotent beings, slew immortal gods, felled legions of demons and angels, all without breaking a sweat. Realistically speaking, there are maybe two dozen characters in all of fiction that actually stand a chance of challenging a full-power Dante.

1) Dante slew Lucifer (A feat easily comparable, if not superior to, slaying Zeus, which Kratos has yet to do)
2) Dante can take 10,000,000 hits way better than Kratos can take one - check out the DMC3 intro scene to mission 1, where Dante gets stabbed like 6x and doesn't even notice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGv5w3kCVHc
3) While Kratos has power while holding the Blade of Olympus, standing next to a statue of the (now dead) Athena, and with a Titan...

Dantes most powerful battles are trifles, puny beings compared to what Kratos has faced and defeated, the Hyrdra alone far outweighs half of the monsters in DMC, and the DMC bosses are all outclassed by bosses such as the Colossus of rhodes or otherwise. mundus, the Savior etc could all be defeated by Zeus or Ares with ease, Ares would turn both Mundus and the Savior into crushed piles by himself.

Berial? Berials just a larger version of those little fiery dogs Kratos kills regulary, and is much smaller and weaker than most of Kratos' opponents.

What Greek Gods? in GOW (which is the game were talking about incase you needed a recap 🙄 ) the Greek gods use their own powerful bodies and forms, not mortal....Ares could not be harmed by the mortal athenians for example when he battled them in GOW 1. Dante never fought Odin, an Archangel or Satan

Dante has a very limited control of time, Kratos has the power to not only slow but travel through time, Dantes is a very limited duration.

Originally posted by Gumachi
I'd like to see Krato's slay a Titan(which Dante has done). Kratos has killed what 6 Gods?(3 Sisters of Fate--Which Dante ALSO KILLED, Athena--Accident, Ares, Persephone)

Dante-Atlas, Gaia, Typhon, Berial(Lord of Fire Hell), Argosax(Lord of Underworld, Argosax, Satan, Odin, Fate. probably many more.

Dante can take more attacks than Kratos. All different types of Blades went thru him(that includes blades from the Underworld--So BOA wouldn't be different)and he was fine. In Human Form. There's no telling what he can do in Devil Form. Besides BOTH can control time. So it really wouldn't work. Dante slays God and Angels. Odin was worser than Zeus(Zeus was God of Gods--Lighting God). Odin(God of God--God of War, Death, Music, Culture). And he has yet to slay Zeus.

If Kratos' control of Fate was truly so all-powerful and unbeatable, then Zeus wouldn't have gotten away from Kratos, nor would he have survived his encounter with the Sisters of Fate in the first place.

Dante easily dispatched of Odin, who, by their every mythos, is infinitely more powerful than Zeus, who merely reigns the skies and hurls ion bolts. Odin commands the Odinforce - the cosmic well of energy that shapes and reigns our universe according to his will. Zeus had nothing on Odin, and Dante screwed the later over big time.
And let's not forget that the Greek "immortals", who are simply a more powerful species of human and can't control the cosmic web of the universe

Dante controls time and space with his mind alone, let alone the Bangle of Time. None of Kratos' weapons can even hurt Dante, it takes a Devil Arm even to damage him. If Kratos tries to grapple Dante, then he's just making himself an easier target for Dante to put a bullet in his head. And Kratos has no Devil Arms to hurt him(and i'm shure it wouldnt).

Dante can stop any harmful effect, can turn invincible, can severely cut into damage taken, can parry blows, can battle spiritual threats with his own magic, and protect himself with magic barriers. Respectively, Royal Block, Dreadnought, Devil Trigger/Demon Aura, swordsmanship, Nevan/Cerberus, among other defensive effects. You have forgotten Royal Guard/W Dreadnought can block any attack.

Dante proved that Tornadoes, big rocks, AND lightning do nothing at all to even impede him, and a bullet will still kill a mortal, which is what Kratos is, no matter how much you can lift. Kratos has powerful magic, but it's not THAT powerful. It was not his magic that could contend with the gods, he had to always use brute force/item.

Immortal means not dying of age. Uranus was killed with a sickle. So God's arn't invincible if that's what you think.

Dante is more powerful than Sparda(and has defeated the power of Sparda once or twice).

BTW, the games themselves confirm Dante as Sparda's superior. Dante defeated Vergil at his Full Power.

Strength doesn't matter. Sometimes Speed>Strength(David vs Goliath?)

Dante traveled, and he slew this wholly evil being that was once a chief angel among God(Satan).

How can Krato's survive something that slayed the most powerful God to exist(Jackpot killing Argosax in 1 hit).

lol.....Dante has never slain a Titan nor has he ever slain the sisters of fate., when has he done these things?

infact theres no point in answering each part of this post, almost all of it is a lie...Dante never slew Satan or Odin etc, if your talking about some uncaonon manga then uncanon nonsense was NEVER allowed in games vs, if your talking about a canon piece of fiction outside the game...then its still not allowed in VS debates, take this tip into account please in your future posts, bringing up rubbish hes done outside his own canon or outside his own game is worthless.

Kratos has only the power now to slow/freeze time with the piece he gained from the sisters, his ability to travel through time was lost after the temple of the fates was destroyed.

wtf, what fiction are you drawring anything from now? WERE USING THE GOW FICTION FOR THE GOW CHARACTERS the Odinforce sounds like something from Marvel, not DMC, Dante has never fought in marvel, if he has, its not canon and certainly not relevent for this forum.

this whole paragraph is a lie.

So is this sentence.

Strength does matter, David vs Goliath is a bad example, since he didnt use speed, he uses skill and a better weapon.

Jackpot? where is it said Argonex was killed by Jackpot? furthermore as i said before, he would never get the shot off, the charge time Jackpot requires to fire is long enough for Kratos to rip Dante to pieces or turn him to stone with an instant Gorgan flash.

Originally posted by k1Lla441
Did kratos even have god powers when he beat ares? I thought all pandoras box did was make him giant. And kratos has long range weapons too.

Pandora's box allows you to go toe to toe with Ares. Kratos did better without all of his moves though.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Dante has done none of those things, immortal Gods? omnipotent beings [b]lmao, ime sorry but your being ridiculous now, the most powerufl being Dante has ever faced and defeated was Munudus or embodiment of sin, ill quote everytihng you said that was a lie below

Dantes most powerful battles are trifles, puny beings compared to what Kratos has faced and defeated, the Hyrdra alone far outweighs half of the monsters in DMC, and the DMC bosses are all outclassed by bosses such as the Colossus of rhodes or otherwise. mundus, the Savior etc could all be defeated by Zeus or Ares with ease, Ares would turn both Mundus and the Savior into crushed piles by himself.

Berial? Berials just a larger version of those little fiery dogs Kratos kills regulary, and is much smaller and weaker than most of Kratos' opponents.

What Greek Gods? in GOW (which is the game were talking about incase you needed a recap 🙄 ) the Greek gods use their own powerful bodies and forms, not mortal....Ares could not be harmed by the mortal athenians for example when he battled them in GOW 1. Dante never fought Odin, an Archangel or Satan

Dante has a very limited control of time, Kratos has the power to not only slow but travel through time, Dantes is a very limited duration. [/B]

Play Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne(The III I think)

lol The Savior would do his blast attack and kill Zeus(and Savior outside armor can't hit him). Mundus>Ares. Mundus can't be killed.

If you play Shin Megami Tensei: Noctrune he killed all of those Gods.

He can only travel back in time. Dante can stop time in 3 ways.

Originally posted by Burning thought
lol.....Dante has never slain a Titan nor has he ever slain the sisters of fate., when has he done these things?

infact theres no point in answering each part of this post, almost all of it is a lie...Dante never slew Satan or Odin etc, if your talking about some uncaonon manga then uncanon nonsense was NEVER allowed in games vs, if your talking about a canon piece of fiction outside the game...then its still not allowed in VS debates, take this tip into account please in your future posts, bringing up rubbish hes done outside his own canon or outside his own game is worthless.

Kratos has only the power now to slow/freeze time with the piece he gained from the sisters, his ability to travel through time was lost after the temple of the fates was destroyed.

wtf, what fiction are you drawring anything from now? [b]WERE USING THE GOW FICTION FOR THE GOW CHARACTERS the Odinforce sounds like something from Marvel, not DMC, Dante has never fought in marvel, if he has, its not canon and certainly not relevent for this forum.

this whole paragraph is a lie.

So is this sentence.

Strength does matter, David vs Goliath is a bad example, since he didnt use speed, he uses skill and a better weapon.

Jackpot? where is it said Argonex was killed by Jackpot? furthermore as i said before, he would never get the shot off, the charge time Jackpot requires to fire is long enough for Kratos to rip Dante to pieces or turn him to stone with an instant Gorgan flash. [/B]

Play Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne and he slayed Titans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZCuDmLnZ0A Dante kills Lucifer.

He can only do that IF he's in the mirror http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZKoGndHzXw It's slow? He killed Argosax with Jackpot(even though he didn't say it). Where does it say Krato's can slow down time w/o a Fate's statue? Gorgon flash? He can protect himself with Cerberus Ice Protecter/Nevan Bats Protecter/RoyalGuard/Dreadnought Armor. If he can even be stoned. So yeah there's my proof before you babble something else. Sparda Cannon Krato's no more. And if he does get beat down he can still go DT. Infact The Blade wouldn't hurt him physically. And who said Dante had to be up on him? It's not like Dante would let Krato's impale him. And Gorgon's can't stone strong people.

Krato's doesn't kill any fiery dogs. Only Cerberus. Weak? No

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. Thats nice, now give me reasons.....your just making a statement, its like me simply saying "kratos one hits Dante with the back of his hand" and not backing it up.

2. Weve seen Dantes maximum strength feats, and they are far weaker than Kratos, you obviously dont understand how debates work, you compare feats. Kratos lifts far larger than doors, hes lifted many monsters, overpowered teh Hydra by a long shot, and even pushed apart Atlas' fingers.

3. Dante was never dumped into Tartarus.....

4. Cutscenes is what characters are, cutscenes are whats important, your using gameplay, do you think Royal guard would stop Galactus from the Marvel universe just because it can stop a shadow creature in DMC? your talking gameplay, stop talking gameplay or lose all creadability

5. Theres no statement that says Dante cannot be harmed by mortal things, show me this please.....and stop ignoring my posts, I asked you to [b]show me dante surviving something impressive like Kratos has done at his weakest, or are you not capable? if so then concede.

6. Yes he was lol, youve not played GOW 2? you dont know Kratos is the son of Zeus? lmao....sorry but your rediculous and highly laughable. Your trying pathetically to debate a character you dont know anything about and it seems you know very little of Dante as well.

7. Ime talking electrocution, not fire wally lol....Desperation DT? show me this evidence bring up a cutscene or text telling us.

8. Thing is Dante cannot defeat anything without his devil arms....so your taling a load of crap and rubbish aint ya? kratos uses God weapons to kill gods, Dante uses devil arms to kill devils....thing is the Gods in GOW are far more powerful than most if not all the enemies in DMC. The Savior is the only thing that comes close to GOW characters and even that is fairly slow and its most powerful weapons are limited especially by range and speed. A blast of lightning which blasts enemies is far more powerful than ebony and ivory which cannot break human made pool balls lol....thing is Euryales head can turn Dante and his equipment to stone in one blast lol.

lol wtf, Dante was weak almost every time he was actually hit, he gets impaled with Vergils sword on several occasions...hes weak and incapaciated..pathetic, he gets blasts by Mundus shards, he falls and loses his Devil Trigger....he just cant take a hit at all. Wheras Kratos is crushed while being his weakest form as a Demi God, lost most of his power and survives tonnes of bronze smashing on top of him....

Thats not divine...thats just the saviour fireing blasts of energy, like he is more of the game, like the Sistsers of fate (3 of them) use regulary on kratos...not to mention thats gameplay which is at most a non factor lol.....stop using gameplay, its irrelvent, only the non gameplay elements are relevent for a character especially gameplay mechanics

lol when his health is low he can do that form? in gameplay

What a moronic thing to say, Dante, Mundus and most of the DMC universe would be destroyed by Hades soul ripping chains...so saying Atlas was weak by being defeated by it is a foolish thing to say at best.

Nothing states Dante can only be harmed by devil arms show me this evidence if you belive it to be true.

No dantes swords are not normal, most of them are devil spirit swords empowered by demons or otherwise, but their weak in comparison to Kratos; arsenal. [/B]

2.Atlas was weak. And he struggles to open doors. We haven't seen Dante at his fullest if so give me proof.

3.Tartarus isn't anything bad. Oh Aparently he(Kratos)got owned again

4.I'm talking more than gameplay. Your talking gameplay. Kratos hasn't did much in cutscenes. Infact if you do count cutscenes nonething would hurt him.

5.Dante has gotten punched by Nero 20x(didn't get hurt), Got stabbed by 6 kinds of swords. Got stabbed by 6 sickles(didn't get hurt), Got punched by Beowulf, Got stabbed by Mundus' Arrows fell from a enormous height(while hit with fireballs)and didn't get hurt.

6.And he got owned by a Mortal(Charon)yeah

7.You don't have proof for what(most of the stuff)you say.

8.Krato's cant defeat shit without having the Gods help. Just like Gaia/Zeus had to help him to escape Hades. Alastor/Airraid owned Kratos. Athena stopped him from getting impaled. He can't even escape Hades w/o help.

9.Krato's was owned by a mortal. Hurt by a statue(that only thing that it was big). Killed by a wooden spear. Killed by The Blade. And would've been killed if he didn't call on Ares. Dante has gotten punched by Nero 20x(didn't get hurt), Got stabbed by 6 kinds of swords. Got stabbed by 6 sickles(didn't get hurt), Got punched by Beowulf, Got stabbed by Mundus' Arrows fell from a enormous height(while hit with fireballs)and didn't get hurt. Funny how Krato's got owned by a Mortal. Only Devil Arms can hurt Dante. Otherwise why didn't the Sickles in DMC3(Intro 1)hurt him? He was weakened because of the DEVIL ARM. And he can only die by getting his hard ripped out.

10.Gameplay. Krato's didn't stop time in gameplay. Hasn't knocked down minotaurs. Ripped enemies. Can't go ROTT. Many more.

11.WRONG. Devils in DMC have no Souls to rip out(that's why they can't cry). So they are spritual forms.

Stop using the same "gameplay" bs to defend yourself. Bullet>Kratos end of story.

Show me proof Dante can be stoned then?

Weak like The Blades(They probably wouldn't hurt him). Dante weapons would kill him in 1 hit. He would cut him in half like he did Vergil. He's a mortal he would get killed by 1 hit.

Uranus was killed with a sickle man. Mundus>Zeus>Ares. They can get impaled 1 time and die(if it's Zeus twice and he's weak). Zeus is just someone throwing bolts around. Dante slayed Odin(who can control the entire universe). It took 3 rounds to defeat Mundus. Zeus can't defeat him infact only the power of Sparda can(which why you can't use other devil arms). Mundus probably would take Zeus to the deepest parts of hell. And on Earth Zeus powers would be useless. If Zeus is all so powerful who come he was put to deepsleep in Chains of Olympus? Dante has showed us rocks, lighting, wind is nonething to him. All you keep bring up is the "gameplay" BS because that's the only thing you can say(to defend yourself). He doesn't need his Devil Arms. All he needs is Rebellion & Ebony and Ivory he doesn't go to from God-to-God to take down them. They offer give there Devil Arm he doesn't need them. Kratos does.

And all you keep doing is the same "gameplay" BS. You know that if is gameplay you lose. That's the only way to defend yourself. You arn't the maker of the topic and it doesn't say I can't use gameplay features. And I don't see anything in the rules about it.

Originally posted by Gumachi
1.Give me proof of he would knock him down. Give me proof he would rip him in half.

2.Atlas was weak. And he struggles to open doors. We haven't seen Dante at his fullest if so give me proof.

3.Tartarus isn't anything bad. Oh Aparently he(Kratos)got owned again

4.I'm talking more than gameplay. Your talking gameplay. Kratos hasn't did much in cutscenes. Infact if you do count cutscenes nonething would hurt him.

5.Dante has gotten punched by Nero 20x(didn't get hurt), Got stabbed by 6 kinds of swords. Got stabbed by 6 sickles(didn't get hurt), Got punched by Beowulf, Got stabbed by Mundus' Arrows fell from a enormous height(while hit with fireballs)and didn't get hurt.

6.And he got owned by a Mortal(Charon)yeah

7.You don't have proof for what(most of the stuff)you say.

8.Krato's cant defeat shit without having the Gods help. Just like Gaia/Zeus had to help him to escape Hades. Alastor/Airraid owned Kratos. Athena stopped him from getting impaled. He can't even escape Hades w/o help.

9.Krato's was owned by a mortal. Hurt by a statue(that only thing that it was big). Killed by a wooden spear. Killed by The Blade. And would've been killed if he didn't call on Ares. Dante has gotten punched by Nero 20x(didn't get hurt), Got stabbed by 6 kinds of swords. Got stabbed by 6 sickles(didn't get hurt), Got punched by Beowulf, Got stabbed by Mundus' Arrows fell from a enormous height(while hit with fireballs)and didn't get hurt. Funny how Krato's got owned by a Mortal. Only Devil Arms can hurt Dante. Otherwise why didn't the Sickles in DMC3(Intro 1)hurt him? He was weakened because of the DEVIL ARM. And he can only die by getting his hard ripped out.

10.Gameplay. Krato's didn't stop time in gameplay. Hasn't knocked down minotaurs. Ripped enemies. Can't go ROTT. Many more.

11.WRONG. Devils in DMC have no Souls to rip out(that's why they can't cry). So they are spritual forms.

Stop using the same "gameplay" bs to defend yourself. Bullet>Kratos end of story.

Show me proof Dante can be stoned then?

Weak like The Blades(They probably wouldn't hurt him). Dante weapons would kill him in 1 hit. He would cut him in half like he did Vergil. He's a mortal he would get killed by 1 hit.

Uranus was killed with a sickle man. Mundus>Zeus>Ares. They can get impaled 1 time and die(if it's Zeus twice and he's weak). Zeus is just someone throwing bolts around. Dante slayed Odin(who can control the entire universe). It took 3 rounds to defeat Mundus. Zeus can't defeat him infact only the power of Sparda can(which why you can't use other devil arms). Mundus probably would take Zeus to the deepest parts of hell. And on Earth Zeus powers would be useless. If Zeus is all so powerful who come he was put to deepsleep in Chains of Olympus? Dante has showed us rocks, lighting, wind is nonething to him. All you keep bring up is the "gameplay" BS because that's the only thing you can say(to defend yourself). He doesn't need his Devil Arms. All he needs is Rebellion & Ebony and Ivory he doesn't go to from God-to-God to take down them. They offer give there Devil Arm he doesn't need them. Kratos does.

1. You need proof that Kratos can rip people in half, hes ripped humans in half before, minitaurs heads off.....also your asking me to prove a negative, if you know anything about debating its YOU who has to prove Dante can survive being ripped in half, or resist it. I dont have to prove things for YOUR characters not that its even logical.

2. Atlas was weak? I read that and knew imediatley your idoicy, he can lift up the Earths crust and is several times the size of a skyscraper....and you think he is weak? lol, one punch and Mundus would be in pieces on the floor, same with most DMC characters. As i said before YOU have to prove things for YOUR characters, I dont have to prove DANTE can do something ,you do.

3. Kratos was never owned, if he was ever defeated its because of something far more than Dante has ever faced

4. I dont talk gameplay mechanics, only you have so far, you and your "he would just use royal guard because it can block everythings!", go and learn to debate then get back to me

5. Ive seen that seen and he DID get hurt, he was tossed around like a rag doll half the time then pinned to the wall with his own sword, now thats what i call owned....

6. Kratos is not owned and Charon is not a mortal by any standards...

7. Yes i do, name me one thing? I say Kratos rips Dante in half, he has done so to many characters in the GOW games, I say Kratos has greater strength...He has shown it, by lifting up the hands of statues, giants and monsters far larger than Dante. Everything ive said has evidence which according to you (since youve played GOW I hope) is obvious.

8. wtf? he had no help escaping hades, he cut his own way out, it was Zeus who put him in there...its obvious by now to everyone who reads your pathetic dribble that youve not played GOW 2.

9. Mortal kratos was hurt by a statue, that weighed tonnes, and was enormous...Dante gets punched about by an angry kid with a glowing arm then impaled by his own sword...theres a big diffrence between an angry kid...and a giant statue. BS on that, devil arms? Mundus' blasts are not devil arms so you contradict yourself there. The sickles didnt hurt him obviously because they are weak...just like how the arrows didnt harm Kratos when the mortals fired at him in his God form, does that mean nothing can kill him? no.....your talking rubbish again, nothing states only having his heart ripped out can kill Dante, nothing canon anyway. I guess the Living tribunal is doomed if he tries to use his full power on dante without getting out a puny Devil arm 😆

10. ofc he can do all those things, becuse almost all those things are not gameplay mechanics like what your using, and most of those things are explained in diffrent parts of the game as well.

A bullet wouldnt kill Kratos, the guy has survived energy blasts, hits from Zeus and much more, ebony and ivory cannot even damage snooker balls so lmao at them damaging kratos.

Thats a negative, learn to debate, I dont have to prove Dante can be stoned, I merely have to prove Kratos can turn people to stone which you know he can...thing is, YOU have to prove Dante can survive it...which from playing the games myself Know you cant, because Dante has never faced such a power.

Kratos is not a mortal, he is a Demi-god, hes a son of Zeus....furthermore him being mortal means shit, the guy can survive far more, if a statue the size of the colossus of rhodes cannot kill Kratos in his weakest form by falling on him, then a puny devil arm would prob end up breaking if it hit him.

in Greek mythology, a sickle if you know the ledgend wielded by Kronos before humans existed. Mundus would be killed by Zeus with ease by himself ,as would Argonex. wtf, impaled once? BY THE BLADE OF OLMPUS, which would prob blast Mundus into bits. Munudus is pathetic, not only is he tiny (about 15/20 meters at best) so Zeus/ares at full size would just step on Mundus but also has few real powers, a few beams and some shards, small meteors lol.....Zeus has the power of the heavens and a blade empowered with his own power and the gods.

Gameplay is a load of cr@p, you dont use gameplay in debates, only the real characters, otherwise Kratos wins, since he has unlimited continues, in DMC you can only continue as long as youve got those golden orbs, when Dante runs out of them, hes lost....gameplay is a load of rubbish. Infact in gameplay, Dante would be crushed, he cannot go DT straight away because he would need to slash Kratos multiple times, wheras Kratos would just need to O command and a quick button sequence and instant kill Dante.

Originally posted by Gumachi
Play Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne(The III I think)

lol The Savior would do his blast attack and kill Zeus(and Savior outside armor can't hit him). Mundus>Ares. Mundus can't be killed.

If you play Shin Megami Tensei: Noctrune he killed all of those Gods.

He can only travel back in time. Dante can stop time in 3 ways.

Well ime sorry but read the rules to the forum, you need to read the rules, you cannot use any evidence thats uncanon for your character, or any evidence that is not from the game Dante originates in, which is DMC...so what he did in Shin Megami is irrelvent.

Savior would kill Zues? even if Zeus stood there for 5 mins while Savior took his ridiculously long recharge time to fight Zeus, Zeus wouldnt be killed, that blast has no real feats, Saviour would be smashed into rubble.

Mundus lol, Munudus is pathetic, and nothing says Munudus cant be killed, only its shown and implied DANTE cannot kill Mundus.

Travelling through time is more impressive, not to mention it has no limit, Dante is out of juice in like 5 seconds, he cant even Devil trigger after that because it uses the same power. So he can either be in his weak @ss human form and stop time OR go DT and be helpless to Kratos; own time powers.

Originally posted by Gumachi
Play Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne and he slayed Titans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZCuDmLnZ0A Dante kills Lucifer.

He can only do that IF he's in the mirror http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZKoGndHzXw It's slow? He killed Argosax with Jackpot(even though he didn't say it). Where does it say Krato's can slow down time w/o a Fate's statue? Gorgon flash? He can protect himself with Cerberus Ice Protecter/Nevan Bats Protecter/RoyalGuard/Dreadnought Armor. If he can even be stoned. So yeah there's my proof before you babble something else. Sparda Cannon Krato's no more. And if he does get beat down he can still go DT. Infact The Blade wouldn't hurt him physically. And who said Dante had to be up on him? It's not like Dante would let Krato's impale him. And Gorgon's can't stone strong people.

Krato's doesn't kill any fiery dogs. Only Cerberus. Weak? No

As i said above, not only is it uncanon but its also not from the DMC game which is only relevent according to the rules:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f85/t462424.html

Canon feats vs. non-canon feats - I leave this solely up to the decision of the thread-starter. I do expect people to adhere to the decision made for that particular thread. For the purposes of this forum, only feats seen in the actual video games are considered canon. Any other sources (movies, comics, novels, etc) are considered non-canon here.

Prove it was Jackpot, nothing says it was...

How can bats protect him from a instant beam that turns him to stone? lol...it cannot same with a wall of ice, not ot mention thats slower than kratos' beam. And thats not proof, ive played DMC 1-4 so I know theres no proof he has any resistance to stone, hes never been turned to stone nad no one ever has tried, therefore he has no resistance.

Gorgans cant stone strong people? Dante isnt strong then since hes had no evidence of that...

Play GOW 2, theres little dogs that explode, similiar to the DMC 4 enemies that breathe fireballs.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. You need proof that Kratos can rip people in half, hes ripped humans in half before, minitaurs heads off.....also your asking me to prove a negative, if you know anything about debating its YOU who has to prove Dante can survive being ripped in half, or resist it. I dont have to prove things for [b]YOUR characters not that its even logical.

2. Atlas was weak? I read that and knew imediatley your idoicy, he can lift up the Earths crust and is several times the size of a skyscraper....and you think he is weak? lol, one punch and Mundus would be in pieces on the floor, same with most DMC characters. As i said before YOU have to prove things for YOUR characters, I dont have to prove DANTE can do something ,you do.

3. Kratos was never owned, if he was ever defeated its because of something far more than Dante has ever faced

4. I dont talk gameplay mechanics, only you have so far, you and your "he would just use royal guard because it can block everythings!", go and learn to debate then get back to me

5. Ive seen that seen and he DID get hurt, he was tossed around like a rag doll half the time then pinned to the wall with his own sword, now thats what i call owned....

6. Kratos is not owned and Charon is not a mortal by any standards...

7. Yes i do, name me one thing? I say Kratos rips Dante in half, he has done so to many characters in the GOW games, I say Kratos has greater strength...He has shown it, by lifting up the hands of statues, giants and monsters far larger than Dante. Everything ive said has evidence which according to you (since youve played GOW I hope) is obvious.

8. wtf? he had no help escaping hades, he cut his own way out, it was Zeus who put him in there...its obvious by now to everyone who reads your pathetic dribble that youve not played GOW 2.

9. Mortal kratos was hurt by a statue, that weighed tonnes, and was enormous...Dante gets punched about by an angry kid with a glowing arm then impaled by his own sword...theres a big diffrence between an angry kid...and a giant statue. BS on that, devil arms? Mundus' blasts are not devil arms so you contradict yourself there. The sickles didnt hurt him obviously because they are weak...just like how the arrows didnt harm Kratos when the mortals fired at him in his God form, does that mean nothing can kill him? no.....your talking rubbish again, nothing states only having his heart ripped out can kill Dante, nothing canon anyway. I guess the Living tribunal is doomed if he tries to use his full power on dante without getting out a puny Devil arm 😆

10. ofc he can do all those things, becuse almost all those things are not gameplay mechanics like what your using, and most of those things are explained in diffrent parts of the game as well.

A bullet wouldnt kill Kratos, the guy has survived energy blasts, hits from Zeus and much more, ebony and ivory cannot even damage snooker balls so lmao at them damaging kratos.

Thats a negative, learn to debate, I dont have to prove Dante can be stoned, I merely have to prove Kratos can turn people to stone which you know he can...thing is, YOU have to prove Dante can survive it...which from playing the games myself Know you cant, because Dante has never faced such a power.

Kratos is not a mortal, he is a Demi-god, hes a son of Zeus....furthermore him being mortal means shit, the guy can survive far more, if a statue the size of the colossus of rhodes cannot kill Kratos in his weakest form by falling on him, then a puny devil arm would prob end up breaking if it hit him.

in Greek mythology, a sickle if you know the ledgend wielded by Kronos before humans existed. Mundus would be killed by Zeus with ease by himself ,as would Argonex. wtf, impaled once? BY THE BLADE OF OLMPUS, which would prob blast Mundus into bits. Munudus is pathetic, not only is he tiny (about 15/20 meters at best) so Zeus/ares at full size would just step on Mundus but also has few real powers, a few beams and some shards, small meteors lol.....Zeus has the power of the heavens and a blade empowered with his own power and the gods.

Gameplay is a load of cr@p, you dont use gameplay in debates, only the real characters, otherwise Kratos wins, since he has unlimited continues, in DMC you can only continue as long as youve got those golden orbs, when Dante runs out of them, hes lost....gameplay is a load of rubbish. Infact in gameplay, Dante would be crushed, he cannot go DT straight away because he would need to slash Kratos multiple times, wheras Kratos would just need to O command and a quick button sequence and instant kill Dante. [/B]

1.He has only ripped undead solider(rotting carcase). Who me where he has ripped a fully human.

2.He was weak when Hades' ripped out his soul. I never said it was Mundus vs Atlas.

3.He got owned by Ares. He got owned by Zeus. He got owned by the Barbarian. He got owned by Charon.

4.Okay since when did he knock down minotaurs, rip enemies in half, slow down time, etc in cut scenes?

5.He got owned by Ares. He got owned by Zeus. He got owned by the Barbarian. He got owned by Charon.

6.Whover dumped him in Tartarus they owned him

7.Proof? I say bullet kills Kratos.

8.He had Gaia's help escaping Hades. Because Gaia healed him. Just like he wouldn't have escaped if Zeus didn't dig that hole. And Zeus didn't put him there the souls reached and grabbed him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgOEE3CuSOs

9.He's a Demigod but can get hurt by a piece of metal lmao. Mundus Arrows are from King of Demons himself. Since when did he get shot by Arrows in a cutscene? Mortal things can kill Kratos. IF he's such a badass why did he have to beg Ares to destroy his enemies and give his soul to him?

10.WHAT?!

11.Once again your talking gameplay(give me proof he got shot with the blade in a cutscene). He is a Mortal and Mortal things kill him.

12.Hyprocrite. But I need proof? Dante is stronger than Kratos. And besides he can't stop it if he goes DT or uses his magical shields.

13.Lie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp73t-ZvFQQ @3:58 Gaia says he's Mortal

14.Just like he got killed with The Blade? Or when the hammer was about to kill him? Dante has taken more pain(and hasn't died). He still was weak regardless.

15.Step on? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LghW79GQRwo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzydMLP4Fjw there not big as Titans. Only power of Sparda can kill him

16.Both can continue Gameplay once again. Sparda Cannon. Kratos is slow as hell to even touch him.

Originally posted by Gumachi
1.He has only ripped undead solider(rotting carcase). Who me where he has ripped a fully human.

2.He was weak when Hades' ripped out his soul. I never said it was Mundus vs Atlas.

3.He got owned by Ares. He got owned by Zeus. He got owned by the Barbarian. He got owned by Charon.

4.Okay since when did he knock down minotaurs, rip enemies in half, slow down time, etc in cut scenes?

5.He got owned by Ares. He got owned by Zeus. He got owned by the Barbarian. He got owned by Charon.

6.Whover dumped him in Tartarus they owned him

7.Proof? I say bullet kills Kratos.

8.He had Gaia's help escaping Hades. Because Gaia healed him. Just like he wouldn't have escaped if Zeus didn't dig that hole. And Zeus didn't put him there the souls reached and grabbed him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgOEE3CuSOs

9.He's a Demigod but can get hurt by a piece of metal lmao. Mundus Arrows are from King of Demons himself. Since when did he get shot by Arrows in a cutscene? Mortal things can kill Kratos. IF he's such a badass why did he have to beg Ares to destroy his enemies and give his soul to him?

10.WHAT?!

11.Once again your talking gameplay(give me proof he got shot with the blade in a cutscene). He is a Mortal and Mortal things kill him.

12.Hyprocrite. But I need proof? Dante is stronger than Kratos. And besides he can't stop it if he goes DT or uses his magical shields.

13.Lie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp73t-ZvFQQ @3:58 Gaia says he's Mortal

14.Just like he got killed with The Blade? Or when the hammer was about to kill him? Dante has taken more pain(and hasn't died). He still was weak regardless.

15.Step on? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LghW79GQRwo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzydMLP4Fjw there not big as Titans. Only power of Sparda can kill him

16.Both can continue Gameplay once again. Sparda Cannon. Kratos is slow as hell to even touch him.

1. A skeletal body can be just as tough to rip as a living one, he also ripped a human in half at the beginning of GOW 1 on the boat, he can rip in half the fleeing civilians for health.

2. How is that weak? he was as strong as always, the fact just so happens that soul ripping is a powerful feat.

3. Thats not getting owned really, me stepping on ant doesnt mean the ant is "owned", he was simply impaled by the most powerful of greek gods with the most powerful weapon. He was at a major disadvantage. The same would have happened to Dante.

4.. He smashed the jew and pulled down the Hydra in a cutscene. Also its not ONLYcutscenes that are important but more non-character controlled, non gameplay mechanics, things players cannot change, for example the way you kill minataurs is always the same. Thing is weve seen more impressive things in cutscenes, like the way he lifts some of the stone contraptions in GOW 2, or how he doesnt get splattered or smeared across the ground when the Colossus' hand smashes down on him.

5. no

6. same as above

7. Ive explained that 100 times, surviving hand of colossus>>>bullets, surviving lightning from Zeus>>>Bullets etc

8. Gaia healing him altho i dont even remember her healing him, only speaking to ihm but regardless, that doesnt help him escape Hades does it....he still pulled his own way out of the pit. Zeus dug no hole, the hands made the hole. Zeus is the one who killed him so technically, Zeus put him in hades.

9. yeh, because Demi-God is a title, same as Demon, emperor, Devil, God, their titles, they dont mean anything, a God can be killed by a pistol in a fiction if the person so wishes it to be. King of demons lol, thats another title, your obviously a very young debator, title mean nothing. Because he was hopelessly outnumbered and THEN he was without any power.

10. yeh gameplay mechanics dont count thats what.

11. Same as above ,gameplay mechanics dont count and ive proven kratos' endurance

12. hypocrite? how so.....your asking me to prove something for YOUR character, your being a fool....then you now go on licking Dantes ass and saying how hes so much more powerfulz!!!, go and learn to debate kid...

13. Then Gaia obviously doesnt know Kratos is a Demi-God=

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DT77KlL21_I

YouTube video

at 2:08 Zeus says Kratos is his son.

14. Dantes taken nothing more than a few impalements, each one usually leaving him pinned and incapaicated and in agony.

15. Their enormous....

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=628dmbZ5BoY

2:32, they would step on Mundus lol, whos a measly pathetic thing. Nothing says only Sparda can kill Mundus your useless at debating.

16. How? dante needs golden orbs to continue, which there are limited amount, Kratos has unlimited lives. Sparda cannon? when does Dante do that? and no, if were using gameplay like you seem to badly want to, Kratos isnt that much slower than Dante in gameplay at all, infact when Kratos gets going with his combos their often faster than Dantes and are less likely to leave him open.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. A skeletal body can be just as tough to rip as a living one, he also ripped a human in half at the beginning of GOW 1 on the boat, he can rip in half the fleeing civilians for health.

2. How is that weak? he was as strong as always, the fact just so happens that soul ripping is a powerful feat.

3. Thats not getting owned really, me stepping on ant doesnt mean the ant is "owned", he was simply impaled by the most powerful of greek gods with the most powerful weapon. He was at a major disadvantage. The same would have happened to Dante.

4.. He smashed the jew and pulled down the Hydra in a cutscene. Also its not [b]ONLYcutscenes that are important but more non-character controlled, non gameplay mechanics, things players cannot change, for example the way you kill minataurs is always the same. Thing is weve seen more impressive things in cutscenes, like the way he lifts some of the stone contraptions in GOW 2, or how he doesnt get splattered or smeared across the ground when the Colossus' hand smashes down on him.

5. no

6. same as above

7. Ive explained that 100 times, surviving hand of colossus>>>bullets, surviving lightning from Zeus>>>Bullets etc

8. Gaia healing him altho i dont even remember her healing him, only speaking to ihm but regardless, that doesnt help him escape Hades does it....he still pulled his own way out of the pit. Zeus dug no hole, the hands made the hole. Zeus is the one who killed him so technically, Zeus put him in hades.

9. yeh, because Demi-God is a title, same as Demon, emperor, Devil, God, their titles, they dont mean anything, a God can be killed by a pistol in a fiction if the person so wishes it to be. King of demons lol, thats another title, your obviously a very young debator, title mean nothing. Because he was hopelessly outnumbered and THEN he was without any power.

10. yeh gameplay mechanics dont count thats what.

11. Same as above ,gameplay mechanics dont count and ive proven kratos' endurance

12. hypocrite? how so.....your asking me to prove something for YOUR character, your being a fool....then you now go on licking Dantes ass and saying how hes so much more powerfulz!!!, go and learn to debate kid...

13. Then Gaia obviously doesnt know Kratos is a Demi-God=

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DT77KlL21_I

YouTube video

at 2:08 Zeus says Kratos is his son.

14. Dantes taken nothing more than a few impalements, each one usually leaving him pinned and incapaicated and in agony.

15. Their enormous....

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=628dmbZ5BoY

2:32, they would step on Mundus lol, whos a measly pathetic thing. Nothing says only Sparda can kill Mundus your useless at debating.

16. How? dante needs golden orbs to continue, which there are limited amount, Kratos has unlimited lives. Sparda cannon? when does Dante do that? and no, if were using gameplay like you seem to badly want to, Kratos isnt that much slower than Dante in gameplay at all, infact when Kratos gets going with his combos their often faster than Dantes and are less likely to leave him open. [/B]

1.Just sticks the blade in them about 2-3 times.

2.Krato's has to depend on Brute Force

3.There you go. He was most powerful of GREEK GODS. Dante no it wouldn't hurt him physically

4.True

5.Yes

6.Yes

7.Just lighting isn't that much. And Dante was shocked by lighting and didn't get hurt. Maybe so but Dante has Demon Power Enhanced inside. Eventually he will bring him down.

8.She did. He wouldn't have escaped with a bigass hole thru his body O_o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgOEE3CuSOs

9.King of Olympus--another title. Aparently =\

10.Meh

11.Endurance is about the same. I say Durability because he can take slighty more damage than Kratos(cutscenes).

12.Like how your kissing Krato's ass?

13.Gaia is MotherEarth and knows all. And Krato's can die like "demigods"(Perseus and Theseus) Thesesus=Son of Poseidon Perseus=Son of Zeus.

14.If he could push it back he would be healed instantly(when it hit him). I don't think it would hurt him but that's my opinion your probably right it might hurt Dante. But I just don't think it would

15.Hell no. Step on? No. Well why couldn't I hurt Mundus with Ifrit/Alastor and I had to use Sparda's Sword? As far as we saw he has. All Zeus did was throw bolts. Was running from Kratos. Had to get 5 Gods to take down 1 Mortal. Mundus made a demention by flapping his wings. Took 3 wounds to finish him. And he was weakened on the 3rd round. Would be a good fight though. No offence but in Greek Myth. Zeus was gay. And Zeus(and other Olympians was put to sleep)

15.Not really he can continue. Krato's can continue from a checkpoint. Combos? He's to slow to even hit him. Krato's can't stab someone 1,000,000 times Krato's isn't this fast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oOoqPaQBmo. Let's show how many times they can continue if I turn my PS2 off XD. Dante just has the upperhand and more weapons. Don't get my wrong I like Kratos ALOT(kinda more than Dante). But I just find Dante has the upper hand.

And SMT was kinda like a sequel to DMC2.

And if Krato's "Time Powers" were that powerful he wouldn't have allowed Zeus to escape.

WTF did you post the link to a vid like that?

"Persephone tells Kratos that Calliope is in the fields of Elysium and that the only way to see her again is for Kratos to "release" all of his past evils and become worthy of Elysium, giving up his powers given to him by the gods; however, Persephone warns him that the world will suffer for his choice. After transferring his power into the Forsaken Tree, which included all of his weapons, his magic and relics, Kratos regains his humanity, becoming a normal man and being reunited with his daughter. In this form, Kratos loses his trademark red tattoo and bleached white skin, becoming a normal man once more. However, Persephone appears: she taunts and mocks Kratos' choice and reveals to him her true plans"

Originally posted by Gumachi
1.Just sticks the blade in them about 2-3 times.

2.Krato's has to depend on Brute Force

3.There you go. He was most powerful of GREEK GODS. Dante no it wouldn't hurt him physically

7.Just lighting isn't that much. And Dante was shocked by lighting and didn't get hurt

8.She did. He wouldn't have escaped with a bigass hole thru his body O_o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgOEE3CuSOs

9.King of Olympus--another title. Aparently =\

10.Meh

11.Endurance is about the same. I say Durability because he can take slighty more damage than Kratos(cutscenes).

12.Like how your kissing Krato's ass?

13.Gaia is MotherEarth and knows all. And Krato's can die like "demigods"(Perseus and Theseus) Thesesus=Son of Poseidon Perseus=Son of Zeus.

14.If he could push it back he would be healed instantly(when it hit him). I don't think it would hurt him but that's my opinion your probably right it might hurt Dante. But I just don't think it would

15.Hell no. Step on? No. Well why couldn't I hurt Mundus with Ifrit/Alastor and I had to use Sparda's Sword? As far as we saw he has. All Zeus did was throw bolts. Was running from Kratos. Had to get 5 Gods to take down 1 Mortal. Mundus made a demention by flapping his wings. Took 3 wounds to finish him. And he was weakened on the 3rd round. Would be a good fight though. No offence but in Greek Myth. Zeus was gay

15.Not really he can continue. Krato's can continue from a checkpoint. Combos? He's to slow to even hit him. Krato's can't stab someone 1,000,000 times Krato's isn't this fast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oOoqPaQBmo. Let's show how many times they can continue if I turn my PS2 off XD. Dante just has the upperhand and more weapons. Don't get my wrong I like Kratos ALOT(kinda more than Dante). But I just find Dante has the upper hand.

And SMT was kinda like a sequel to DMC2.

And if Krato's "Time Powers" were that powerful he wouldn't have allowed Zeus to escape.

WTF did you post the link to a vid like that?

1. If you press circle on one of the fleeing peasants he rips them in half

2. He has other powers but brute force works, why not? not that this is an answer to my point...

3. yeh Greek gods, he was incredibly powerful, far beyond Dantes canon opponents like Mundus, wouldnt hurt Dante? lmao....how would the Blade of Olmypus not hurt dante when Zeus used to to splatter an entire army of Spartans? Dante has terrible durability.

7. What lightning? lightning from whom?

8.

9. It is another title, what isnt a title however is his massive 100 meter tall @ss wilding a sword that can wipe out armies in a swing....whats Munudus done thats comparable to that?

10. yh

11. Nowhere near the same, Kratos is far greater, as i said 1000 times, a massive statue weighing tonnes smashing down on him didnt kill him, dante is badly wounded and unable to move for a while after being impaled by a tiny sword.

12. not at all, ime debating for Kratos by giving relevent videos for my points and by not using gameplay.

13. Yeh he can die, and so can Dante, just the same, only thing is Kratos is far more powerful and more endurant so Dante would die first.

14. You just wont think it would? thats out of pure blind fanboyism though really isnt it, you dont have a reason other than your love for Dante? Dante has not endured such power, the blade of Olympus for example is so vast and large it could cut him in half in one swing with ease, and it WOULD pierce him, its shown far more power than Yamato.

15. in the second round you can harm Munudus with ebony and ivory, you can harm him with most weapons if you try...but thats all gameplay, gameplay mechanics, when your actually playing the game Munudus doesnt just fire his 3 shards into you at the beginning, the game lets you play against him for a while so that its a fun game...but what happens in the gameplay mechanics are little relevence, whenever a character is hit in the actual gameplay it doesnt mean anything.

Zeus ran from Kratos? that was only at the end, after Kratos tricked him, throughout Zeus was mostly dominating before then, Zeus is far larger nad more powerful than Mundus, if Dante had to fight Zeus, Dante wouldnt have a chance. And he didnt make a dimension at all, he simply uncovered the illusion, if he could make dimensions he wouldnt be bothered about the human world at all, he would make his own but obviously he cannot, nothing states he can make dimensions.

Zeus could literally crush Munudus in his hands and then stamp on him, give Zeus his sword and he would tear Munudus apart, whether Zeus is gay or not it doesnt matter, if he was gay, he would bum rape Munudus first then crush him....

16. No he cannot, but you said we were talking gameplay, so technically that is irrelvent, unless you want to go back to talking real characters? in which case Kratos would have to use a combo of time powers and his large area hitting attacks to stop Dante. As i said before, most of his attacks could slow Dante to a crawl or stun him long enough for the incredibly fast stone powers to take effect.

he only let Zeus escape because the games plot wanted him to, and because of stupid Athena and the moment he spent holding her.

what do you mean? the vid is relevent, it shows Kratos and Zeus.

Originally posted by Gumachi
"Persephone tells Kratos that Calliope is in the fields of Elysium and that the only way to see her again is for Kratos to "release" all of his past evils and become worthy of Elysium, giving up his powers given to him by the gods; however, Persephone warns him that the world will suffer for his choice. After transferring his power into the Forsaken Tree, which included all of his weapons, his magic and relics, Kratos regains his humanity, becoming a normal man and being reunited with his daughter. In this form, Kratos loses his trademark red tattoo and bleached white skin, becoming a normal man once more. However, Persephone appears: she taunts and mocks Kratos' choice and reveals to him her true plans"

But thats not current kratos, current Kratos had become a true God, Chains of Olympus happens before GOW 2

^and gow1

is it? I didnt realise, either way it was certainly before the time were speaking of, so its not really relevent.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. If you press circle on one of the fleeing peasants he rips them in half

2. He has other powers but brute force works, why not? not that this is an answer to my point...

3. yeh Greek gods, he was incredibly powerful, far beyond Dantes canon opponents like Mundus, wouldnt hurt Dante? lmao....how would the Blade of Olmypus not hurt dante when Zeus used to to splatter an entire army of Spartans? Dante has terrible durability.

7. What lightning? lightning from whom?

8.

9. It is another title, what isnt a title however is his massive 100 meter tall @ss wilding a sword that can wipe out armies in a swing....whats Munudus done thats comparable to that?

10. yh

11. Nowhere near the same, Kratos is far greater, as i said 1000 times, a massive statue weighing tonnes smashing down on him didnt kill him, dante is badly wounded and unable to move for a while after being impaled by a tiny sword.

12. not at all, ime debating for Kratos by giving relevent videos for my points and by not using gameplay.

13. Yeh he can die, and so can Dante, just the same, only thing is Kratos is far more powerful and more endurant so Dante would die first.

14. You just wont think it would? thats out of pure blind fanboyism though really isnt it, you dont have a reason other than your love for Dante? Dante has not endured such power, the blade of Olympus for example is so vast and large it could cut him in half in one swing with ease, and it [b]WOULD pierce him, its shown far more power than Yamato.

15. in the second round you can harm Munudus with ebony and ivory, you can harm him with most weapons if you try...but thats all gameplay, gameplay mechanics, when your actually playing the game Munudus doesnt just fire his 3 shards into you at the beginning, the game lets you play against him for a while so that its a fun game...but what happens in the gameplay mechanics are little relevence, whenever a character is hit in the actual gameplay it doesnt mean anything.

Zeus ran from Kratos? that was only at the end, after Kratos tricked him, throughout Zeus was mostly dominating before then, Zeus is far larger nad more powerful than Mundus, if Dante had to fight Zeus, Dante wouldnt have a chance. And he didnt make a dimension at all, he simply uncovered the illusion, if he could make dimensions he wouldnt be bothered about the human world at all, he would make his own but obviously he cannot, nothing states he can make dimensions.

Zeus could literally crush Munudus in his hands and then stamp on him, give Zeus his sword and he would tear Munudus apart, whether Zeus is gay or not it doesnt matter, if he was gay, he would bum rape Munudus first then crush him....

16. No he cannot, but you said we were talking gameplay, so technically that is irrelvent, unless you want to go back to talking real characters? in which case Kratos would have to use a combo of time powers and his large area hitting attacks to stop Dante. As i said before, most of his attacks could slow Dante to a crawl or stun him long enough for the incredibly fast stone powers to take effect.

he only let Zeus escape because the games plot wanted him to, and because of stupid Athena and the moment he spent holding her.

what do you mean? the vid is relevent, it shows Kratos and Zeus. [/B]

1.Gameplay

2.So? Just because it does it in GOW universe. Doesn't mean it will in DMC universe. Besides they were humans.

3.When he gets shocked in DMC1. And when Trish shocks in DMC1(and stabs him with Force Edge)

4.It's not like he destroyed them with his hand. The sword did the killing(power of it). Doesn't mean he can't beat Zeus.

5.?

6.It's Yamato--Devil Arm. Sparda's Sword. A Sword that can cut thru anything. The only sword to hurt him. So pay attention. It's not how small it is but the power.

7.Most of what I say isn't gameplay.

8.He hasn't died yet. Kratos has twice.

9.Show me it could. Athena was a Goddess. If this is DMC2 Dante he would just laugh. Maybe DMC3 it would kill him. And that's IF Dante wants to get stabbed.

10.E&I have Magic/Demon Bullets. He was weakened in the 3rd round.

11.So? He still ran from a Mortal. And had to get 5 other Gods to take down a Mortal. He made a demention. If Krato's powers was that GREAT Zeus wouldn't have escaped then.

12.Ripe him no. Mundus has creates people like Kratos. Mundus would just laugh(since his powers are useless in the underworld)and his him with his arrows and kill him with the beam. How can you rip a spirit in half? Why didn't he just rip/step on Kratos then? And Zeus' Bolts was not that strong. I mean it didn't even kill that Mortal(who Krato's accidently killed and he had to fight the Kraken).

13.He's too fast. And Dante can teleport your forgetting. He's to slow to even hit Dante.

14.Well it must not be that powerful he wouldn't have let Zeus escape.

How you just posted the vid. w/o using the link.

Originally posted by Burning thought
But thats not current kratos, current Kratos had become a true God, Chains of Olympus happens before GOW 2

Yeah because Athena MADE him a God. All he did was take Ares' Throne(as it seemed). Because why didn't he just burn all the solider's attacking greece? Either way he was a normal human(as it seemed). So he must've not been born with his powers.

Originally posted by Gumachi
1.Gameplay

2.So? Just because it does it in GOW universe. Doesn't mean it will in DMC universe. Besides they were humans.

3.When he gets shocked in DMC1. And when Trish shocks in DMC1(and stabs him with Force Edge)

4.It's not like he destroyed them with his hand. The sword did the killing(power of it). Doesn't mean he can't beat Zeus.

5.?

6.It's Yamato--Devil Arm. Sparda's Sword. A Sword that can cut thru anything. The only sword to hurt him. So pay attention. It's not how small it is but the power.

7.Most of what I say isn't gameplay.

8.He hasn't died yet. Kratos has twice.

9.Show me it could. Athena was a Goddess. If this is DMC2 Dante he would just laugh. Maybe DMC3 it would kill him. And that's IF Dante wants to get stabbed.

10.E&I have Magic/Demon Bullets. He was weakened in the 3rd round.

11.So? He still ran from a Mortal. And had to get 5 other Gods to take down a Mortal. He made a demention. If Krato's powers was that GREAT Zeus wouldn't have escaped then.

12.Ripe him no. Mundus has creates people like Kratos. Mundus would just laugh(since his powers are useless in the underworld)and his him with his arrows and kill him with the beam.

13.He's too fast. And Dante can teleport your forgetting. He's to slow to even hit Dante.

14.Well it must not be that powerful he wouldn't have let Zeus escape.

2. ofc it will, brutality from Kratos would work in many universes

3. Show me please, unless your talking about gameplay.

4. yeh it does, if hes never done anything worthy, then he couldnt beat Zeus who has...

5. irrelvent

6. Yamato has done nothing, thats the thing, and it cant cut through everything otherwise he could have cut through Mundus, the Blade of Olmypus is far more powerful and impressive.

7. yes it is, not long ago you went on about gameplay combos and showed videos of the saviour shooting Dante in gameplay...

8. yet returned every time, often stronger than ever before....Dante on the other hand hasnt faced all the threats kratos has, Dante couldnt complete God of War 2, he would be killed off by Titans or Zeus.

9. Show you the blade of Olmypus can wipe out Dante? ive shown you in the last video its power, compare that to the zero feats youve shown of Dantes endurance and youve got Dante cleaved in two....

10. Its the same in the 2nd round, you can shoot him with E&I, rocket launcher, nightmare etc, they all damage Mundus.

11. A demi-God, ive proven that already with words from Zeus' mouth himself. nothing says Mundus made a dimension.

12. Munudus has no endurance feats so who are you to say Zeus who has destroyed many, is like a giant compared to Munudus couldnt just crush him? Mundus has no chance....kill zeus with his beam? dont make me laugh, its the size of a little thing compared to full size Zeus, he would just step on Mundus or crush his head between his fingers, splat!

13. Dante is not, in gameplay definaltey not, outside of it, Kratos can slow him down using all kinds of abilities such as Atlas quake and Kronos rage which would blast him, then Kratos would use gorgan stare and stone him.

14. As I said, he was preocupied, he didnt just let Zeus escape, he was doing something while Zeus escaped....technically you shoudl be asking the game developers these questions, not me, why didnt Kratos simply decide to go back in time and kill Zeus rather than going back to the Titans....but obviously...they wanted another plot...