Originally posted by Burning thought
Kratos has only the power now to slow/freeze time with the piece he gained from the sisters, his ability to travel through time was lost after the temple of the fates was destroyed.
That's actually wrong. Kratos had visibly used time travel without the Loom Chamber when bringing the Titans to his time. The Loom Chamber's status has nothing to do with his time powers.
ofcourse it does, and no, he visibly travled through time, not actuall used time travel then and there...he could have altered the threads of fate so that he could travel there and bring the titans where he wanted them, nothing said or shown imediatley indicates he can travel through time on a whim nor would it make sense, where did he get that power? pulling threads and jumping through a mirror? if so, then why didnt he did it after killing Athena? he had to go back to the loom chamber...
Originally posted by Burning thought
ofcourse it does, and no, he visibly travled through time, not actuall used time travel then and there...he could have altered the threads of fate so that he could travel there and bring the titans where he wanted them, nothing said or shown imediatley indicates he can travel through time on a whim nor would it make sense, where did he get that power? pulling threads and jumping through a mirror? if so, then why didnt he did it after killing Athena? he had to go back to the loom chamber...
He only used the threads to alter HIS OWN fate. Secondly, there was no chance that he could have used the Loom Chamber to bring the Titans back. Not only did he clearly use the same power to leave as he did to enter, but the Titan are just plain to friggin big to fit into the chamber, and have no shown power to increase or decrease in size like the Gods (in the actual Greek mythology, the Titans had used mountains as their thrones). What's unknown is if he can alter other's fates without the loom chamber, what is shown is that time travel is not restricted to the Loom Chamber. If it took the Loom chamber to bring the Titans back, then it would've implied him using it. Using it the second time was for, if anything, gameplay. Also, just because he was visibly distraught at accidentally killing Athena in no way justifies the necessity to alter fate to keep her alive. Thinking that is the same as thinking Kratos not gong back to prevent his family's death was a plot hole; not only is it nothing of the sort, but it's not Kratos' main motive either. He said it himself as well: "If all on Olympus will deny me my vengance, then all on Olympus will die...!" Athena sacrificed herself solely to let Zeus escape.
He altered the titans fates by bringing them away from their field of destruction. Ofcourse he could have used the Loom chamber, the threads hold the fate of even the titans, and they wouldnt have had to go into the chamber if hed only changed their fates so that they would disapear and appear in the future rather than be hit by Zeus blast.
the things that make it obvious to me that it was the loom chamber and not his own power is the following:
-nothing happened to him to gain the power, when he gained the power of Kronos, it was obvious the titan gave it to him, same with the gods in GOW 1, however this time nothing happened, nothing implies he gained the innate power to travel time on a whim
-He went back to the loom chamber to reach the battle of the Titans in the first place, if he could simply travel time by himself that event would never have happened, he had to go back to the loom chamber still....
-all the resources to alter other beings fates are in the loom chamber, theres no reason that he couldnt have done it in the story and it makes more sense than him randomly apprently having time traveling abilities by himself despite already going back to the chamber once again after defeating but not killing Zeus.
-the only fact we know is that Kratos can return to the chamber by his own power but nothing implies he can use its services while not being in it since he had to return to it to actually get to the Titans, it seems obvious to me that he changed their fates in the chamber as well.
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. But not a gameplay mechanic, theres a diffrence, Gameplay mechanics are a big NO, gameplay that are irrelvent to balance are however allowed ,for example Dante only uses some of his combos in gameplay, but their allowed because their nothing to do with balance or mechanics, wheras in a debate, saying Dante can survive 100 slashes from demons just because his HP bar doesnt go down fast is gameplay mechanics nad is not debatable.2. ofc it will, brutality from Kratos would work in many universes
3. Show me please, unless your talking about gameplay.
4. yeh it does, if hes never done anything worthy, then he couldnt beat Zeus who has...
5. irrelvent
6. Yamato has done nothing, thats the thing, and it cant cut through everything otherwise he could have cut through Mundus, the Blade of Olmypus is far more powerful and impressive.
7. yes it is, not long ago you went on about gameplay combos and showed videos of the saviour shooting Dante in gameplay...
8. yet returned every time, often stronger than ever before....Dante on the other hand hasnt faced all the threats kratos has, Dante couldnt complete God of War 2, he would be killed off by Titans or Zeus.
9. Show you the blade of Olmypus can wipe out Dante? ive shown you in the last video its power, compare that to the zero feats youve shown of Dantes endurance and youve got Dante cleaved in two....
10. Its the same in the 2nd round, you can shoot him with E&I, rocket launcher, nightmare etc, they all damage Mundus.
11. A demi-God, ive proven that already with words from Zeus' mouth himself. nothing says Mundus made a dimension.
12. Munudus has no endurance feats so who are you to say Zeus who has destroyed many, is like a giant compared to Munudus couldnt just crush him? Mundus has no chance....kill zeus with his beam? dont make me laugh, its the size of a little thing compared to full size Zeus, he would just step on Mundus or crush his head between his fingers, splat!
13. Dante is not, in gameplay definaltey not, outside of it, Kratos can slow him down using all kinds of abilities such as Atlas quake and Kronos rage which would blast him, then Kratos would use gorgan stare and stone him.
14. As I said, he was preocupied, he didnt just let Zeus escape, he was doing something while Zeus escaped....technically you shoudl be asking the game developers these questions, not me, why didnt Kratos simply decide to go back in time and kill Zeus rather than going back to the Titans....but obviously...they wanted another plot...
1.Okay we
2.I was talking about The Blade I didn't mean anything about Kratos.
3.Look at intro 1 in DMC1. And when you have to get Pride of Lion he gets shocked(I guess it's a cutscene)
4.He has beaten people more powerful than Zeus(all he does is throwing lighting around)
5.
6.Yamato wasn't in DMC1. You haven't played DMC. And Yamato can cut thru dementions. And Yamato can cut thru ANYTHING(in DMC3-Yamato Info)
7.He defeated Savior(not in gameplay by stacking 5 bullets on eachother)
8.Krato's hasn't defeated any Titans or even Zeus. Actually he has slayed Titans--look at SMT(Sequel to DMC2).
9.That isn't proof. Dante isn't a human. The Blade wouldn't hurt him he would just laugh(atleast DMC2 Dante).
10.Your point? Dante's forges Demon Power inside. Rocks hurt Zeus.
11.Nonething says Krato's is a Demigod. All she said he was the son of Zeus she didn't say Demigod. Kratos was called a Mortal.
12.He wouldn't crush a thing. He couldn't take The Blade from Kratos. Answer my question why didn't he just step on Kratos. His bolts couldn't even kill a human. Just like The Attack Zeus did didn't kill a human
13.Actually he was fast enough to turn on fire. And could dodge bullets. Kratos isnt' that fast. Cronos rage--Dante can be afar. Atlas Quake--He can jump up. ER--Protective Sheild(and it can stone strong people).
14.So? He still let him escape. He would've undone his mistake when he stabbed Athena. Aparently you don't like Dante.
Dante can dodge The Savior's beam attacks. Has Million Stab. Honey Comb Fire.
Dante killed: Mundus, Argosax, the Savior, the entire cast of SMT3, and has combatted the incarnate power of Spada-Power of a God.
Dante is immortal, and cant be defeated by any other means than a devil arm that cuts out his heart.
Originally posted by Gumachi
1.Okay we2.I was talking about The Blade I didn't mean anything about Kratos.
3.Look at intro 1 in DMC1. And when you have to get Pride of Lion he gets shocked(I guess it's a cutscene)
4.He has beaten people more powerful than Zeus(all he does is throwing lighting around)
5.
6.Yamato wasn't in DMC1. You haven't played DMC. And Yamato can cut thru dementions. And Yamato can cut thru ANYTHING(in DMC3-Yamato Info)
7.He defeated Savior(not in gameplay by stacking 5 bullets on eachother)
8.Krato's hasn't defeated any Titans or even Zeus. Actually he has slayed Titans--look at SMT(Sequel to DMC2).
9.That isn't proof. Dante isn't a human. The Blade wouldn't hurt him he would just laugh(atleast DMC2 Dante).
10.Your point? Dante's forges Demon Power inside. Rocks hurt Zeus.
11.Nonething says Krato's is a Demigod. All she said he was the son of Zeus she didn't say Demigod. Kratos was called a Mortal.
12.He wouldn't crush a thing. He couldn't take The Blade from Kratos. Answer my question why didn't he just step on Kratos. His bolts couldn't even kill a human. Just like The Attack Zeus did didn't kill a human
13.Actually he was fast enough to turn on fire. And could dodge bullets. Kratos isnt' that fast. Cronos rage--Dante can be afar. Atlas Quake--He can jump up. ER--Protective Sheild(and it can stone strong people).
14.So? He still let him escape. He would've undone his mistake when he stabbed Athena. Aparently you don't like Dante.
2. The blade of Olmypus is just a sword, it works the same in this debate as it would in GOW universe.
3. I dont have to go looking for such a specific piece of evidence, you need to show me him doing it, find one or youtube or something.
4. who Mundus? Mundus has defeated nobody....Dante has beaten nothing stronger than Zeus, hell hes not evne beaten anything as strong as Ares, most of the GOW bosses could prob give him a run for his money especially the large ones.
6. In that info it doesnt say it can cut through anything, it says it can cut through anything human made. Ive completed all the DMC games.
7. lmao lie, it seems you kno very little about DMC, Dante tossed his sword into the heart of Savior and the 5 bullets wedged it in enough so it pierced the heart that kept Nero in there, which released him, that didnt kill Saviour however....
8. its not a sequel, its an uncanon game using similiar characters, the only games that are canon are the DMC games themselves, your not allowed to use abilities from outside Devil May cry because their not real to Dante. Kratos has defeated Zeus.....he didnt kill him but he defeated him.
9. So what if he isnt human? hes not much stronger than a human, you need to show me proof that he could survive that blade or any other. The fact the sword CAN easily pierce through Kratos' body even where a Colossus failed to break him shows its far stronger.
10. rocks dont hurt Zeus, as ive proven, Mundus can be harmed by any weapon, Zeus steps on him...
11. You obviously dont know what a Demi-God is then do you.....
12. Zeus killed many humans in the 2nd video I showed you in my last post so thats your points scattered to the wind. now answer my question, why cant Zeus crush the much smaller and weaker Munudus who is tiny in comparison to Zeus? munudus is pathetic.
13. Kratos' attacks are that fast, his spining blades are more than Dante could survive. Dante wouldnt get a single chance to attack kratos, since as soon as he turns or stops to fire a weapon or attac with a sword, it would be his last as a beam from the Blade of Olmypus melts him in two...and nothing says it cannot stone strong people.
14. I dont like YOUR version of dante, youve fed too many lies into who the character is, here is your list of lies, answer them and provide proof or stop bringing them up:
-Dante can only be harmed by devil arms, that is never said...its even been disproven by Mundus' shards
-Dante cannot be turned to stone, this is never said in the games
-Dante is stronger/more endurant than Kratos....never true, yuve shown nothing wheras ive shown the Colossus smashing Kratos and him surviving and ive shown Kratos who can push apart the fingers of Atlas, a Titan who can lift up the world....
-Titles mean something- youve been bringing up titles for a long time, "emeror of underworld", "demi-God", "devil arm", "immortal", all of these are simply titles or states that mean little in a real battle yet you bring it up as if its something impressive that would tip the battle in their favour
Originally posted by Gumachi
Dante can dodge The Savior's beam attacks. Has Million Stab. Honey Comb Fire.Dante killed: Mundus, Argosax, the Savior, the entire cast of SMT3, and has combatted the incarnate power of Spada-Power of a God.
Dante is immortal, and cant be defeated by any other means than a devil arm that cuts out his heart.
Mundus was weak, so thats no biggie and he didnt kill Mundus, with the help of Trish he banished it.....Argosax was banished not kill and was weak as well.
The savior was a little more impressive yet was still fairly slow at best and tbh was mostly made up out of stone.....the kind of stuff Kratos would punch through with ease no doubt and its most powerful attacks were extremely slow...as in...a snail could probably escape them.
The game SMT3 is not a sequel to the DMC series, its an uncanon offshoot, as it says in the rules, ONLY the DMC series itself can be used as Dantes abilities, if were talking uncanon, then any fanfiction of Kratos being undefeatable is to suffice as proof of him winning 🙄
Thats a lie, he can be killed by any weapons, nothing states otherwise. Stop making up stories about Dante that never happened.
Originally posted by Gumachi
How can he stop his DoppleGangers(not gonna know which is the real one)?
Theres not many DoppleGangers and as I said before, most of Kratos' attacks happen in a large area, he would be hitting them all at once with all his attacks, Doppleganger is a useless ability
Originally posted by Burning thought
2. The blade of Olmypus is just a sword, it works the same in this debate as it would in GOW universe.3. I dont have to go looking for such a specific piece of evidence, you need to show me him doing it, find one or youtube or something.
4. who Mundus? Mundus has defeated nobody....Dante has beaten nothing stronger than Zeus, hell hes not evne beaten anything as strong as Ares, most of the GOW bosses could prob give him a run for his money especially the large ones.
6. In that info it doesnt say it can cut through anything, it says it can cut through anything human made. Ive completed all the DMC games.
7. lmao lie, it seems you kno very little about DMC, Dante tossed his sword into the heart of Savior and the 5 bullets wedged it in enough so it pierced the heart that kept Nero in there, which released him, that didnt kill Saviour however....
8. its not a sequel, its an uncanon game using similiar characters, the only games that are canon are the DMC games themselves, your not allowed to use abilities from outside Devil May cry because their not real to Dante. Kratos has defeated Zeus.....he didnt kill him but he defeated him.
9. So what if he isnt human? hes not much stronger than a human, you need to show me proof that he could survive that blade or any other. The fact the sword CAN easily pierce through Kratos' body even where a Colossus failed to break him shows its far stronger.
10. rocks dont hurt Zeus, as ive proven, Mundus can be harmed by any weapon, Zeus steps on him...
11. You obviously dont know what a Demi-God is then do you.....
12. Zeus killed many humans in the 2nd video I showed you in my last post so thats your points scattered to the wind. now answer my question, why cant Zeus crush the much smaller and weaker Munudus who is tiny in comparison to Zeus? munudus is pathetic.
13. Kratos' attacks are that fast, his spining blades are more than Dante could survive. Dante wouldnt get a single chance to attack kratos, since as soon as he turns or stops to fire a weapon or attac with a sword, it would be his last as a beam from the Blade of Olmypus melts him in two...and nothing says it cannot stone strong people.
14. I dont like YOUR version of dante, youve fed too many lies into who the character is, here is your list of lies, answer them and provide proof or stop bringing them up:
-Dante can only be harmed by devil arms, that is never said...its even been disproven by Mundus' shards
-Dante cannot be turned to stone, this is never said in the games
-Dante is stronger/more endurant than Kratos....never true, yuve shown nothing wheras ive shown the Colossus smashing Kratos and him surviving and ive shown Kratos who can push apart the fingers of Atlas, a Titan who can lift up the world....
-Titles mean something- youve been bringing up titles for a long time, "emeror of underworld", "demi-God", "devil arm", "immortal", all of these are simply titles or states that mean little in a real battle yet you bring it up as if its something impressive that would tip the battle in their favour
Anyone could dodge those attacks, their extremely slow.
Mundus was weak, so thats no biggie and he didnt kill Mundus, with [b]the help of Trish
he banished it.....Argosax was banished not kill and was weak as well.The savior was a little more impressive yet was still fairly slow at best and tbh was mostly made up out of stone.....the kind of stuff Kratos would punch through with ease no doubt and its most powerful attacks were extremely slow...as in...a snail could probably escape them.
The game SMT3 is not a sequel to the DMC series, its an uncanon offshoot, as it says in the rules, ONLY the DMC series itself can be used as Dantes abilities, if were talking uncanon, then any fanfiction of Kratos being undefeatable is to suffice as proof of him winning 🙄
Thats a lie, he can be killed by any weapons, nothing states otherwise. Stop making up stories about Dante that never happened.
Theres not many DoppleGangers and as I said before, most of Kratos' attacks happen in a large area, he would be hitting them all at once with all his attacks, Doppleganger is a useless ability [/B]
2.It's the power.
3.?
4.How would you know? Zeus is nobody and all he did was throw lighting bolts around. Actually he has. Only reason your saying that is to defend him.
6.In DMC3 Yamato info it's say "It's said to cut thru anything" you haven't played DMC4 dude. And if it can cut thru "humans" why did Vergil cut thru Beowulf?
7.It was good as defeated(it fell and Dante got his Sparda DT). If that's in the case Krato's didn't defeat Collosus
8.He still defeated him. And people more powerful than Zeus.
9.The Collosus wasn't trying to hit him. And it was just big nonething more.
10.Proof he can? Dante has demon power forged in them. Zeus was hurt by rocks(which is why he gave up orbs and Krato's would have hit him with the pillar if it didn't hurt him). No he wouldn't stop dodging my question my didn't he just step on Kratos? And he couldn't take The Blade from Krato's so he's gonna step on him? No
11.DemiGod=Half Human Half God. In his Spartan Days aparently Krato's was a human. If not why did he give his soul to Ares? If he was a true Demigod he wouldn't have had to sell his soul
12.Zeus is patheic. Was hurt by 2 shots from The Blade. Afraid of his own son. Running from a Mortal. Had to get 5 Gods to take down 1 Mortal. Is Gay. He wouldn't crush him. And i'm shure he has strength.
13.It wouldn't effect him. He's slow and wouldn't touch Dante. Icarus(I think or Perseus)Gorgon tried to look him in the eyes(in a mirror)and couldn't stone him
14.Actually I don't make up lies. I think it was revealed in the anime idk. But the only way he can be hurt is from Devil Arms. Mundus' Shards are from the King of Demons himself and comes from THE DEVIL himself. Just like The Devil Arms come from Devil he's a Devil
15.STRONG PEOPLE can't. Which is why God's can't be stoned(or can they?)
16.Like The Slow Collosus? Why didn't he punch thru that then
17.Anyone can dodge his attacks? Zeus Blade attacks are slow
18.On The 3rd round he was weak. Oh just like Krato's needed help from The Titans? Or needed help from The Pandora's Box? Or Zeus' Gaunlet? Proof to me he was weak? He gave his power to Arius(most of it). And Dante killed him. And prove to me he was banished.
19.w/e
20.He's still a Mortal no matter how tough he might be. Mortal things can kill Mortals doesn't matter how tough you are. Ares got killed with TBOTG in 1 hit.
21.Actually yes he can. Weak or not which is why The Sickles didn't hurt him in DMC3(hell the only Devil Arm to hurt him was Yamato)and bullet's can't hurt him.
22.How? It's a Spirtual Form and CANNOT be hurt and he won't know which is the real one and he will be distracted.
Dante has an attack that moves faster than the speed of sound. The rift that was created by the sheathing and unsheathing of his sword(Yamato) created a rift in space time directed at Dante. And he(Vergil) does this in succession, several times, especially in the final fight with him. Then Dante gets this same ability with the Dark Slayer style where he makes it even faster. In cutscenes Dante is fast. I haven't seen Kratos do anything fast in cutscenes.
Originally posted by Gumachi
2.It's the power.3.?
4.How would you know? Zeus is nobody and all he did was throw lighting bolts around. Actually he has. Only reason your saying that is to defend him.
6.In DMC3 Yamato info it's say "It's said to cut thru anything" you haven't played DMC4 dude. And if it can cut thru "humans" why did Vergil cut thru Beowulf?
7.It was good as defeated(it fell and Dante got his Sparda DT). If that's in the case Krato's didn't defeat Collosus
8.He still defeated him. And people more powerful than Zeus.
9.The Collosus wasn't trying to hit him. And it was just big nonething more.
10.Proof he can? Dante has demon power forged in them. Zeus was hurt by rocks(which is why he gave up orbs and Krato's would have hit him with the pillar if it didn't hurt him). No he wouldn't stop dodging my question my didn't he just step on Kratos? And he couldn't take The Blade from Krato's so he's gonna step on him? No
11.DemiGod=Half Human Half God. In his Spartan Days aparently Krato's was a human. If not why did he give his soul to Ares? If he was a true Demigod he wouldn't have had to sell his soul
12.Zeus is patheic. Was hurt by 2 shots from The Blade. Afraid of his own son. Running from a Mortal. Had to get 5 Gods to take down 1 Mortal. Is Gay. He wouldn't crush him. And i'm shure he has strength.
13.It wouldn't effect him. He's slow and wouldn't touch Dante. Icarus(I think or Perseus)Gorgon tried to look him in the eyes(in a mirror)and couldn't stone him
14.Actually I don't make up lies. I think it was revealed in the anime idk. But the only way he can be hurt is from Devil Arms. Mundus' Shards are from the King of Demons himself and comes from THE DEVIL himself. Just like The Devil Arms come from Devil he's a Devil
15.STRONG PEOPLE can't. Which is why God's can't be stoned(or can they?)
16.Like The Slow Collosus? Why didn't he punch thru that then
17.Anyone can dodge his attacks? Zeus Blade attacks are slow
18.On The 3rd round he was weak. Oh just like Krato's needed help from The Titans? Or needed help from The Pandora's Box? Or Zeus' Gaunlet? Proof to me he was weak? He gave his power to Arius(most of it). And Dante killed him. And prove to me he was banished.
19.w/e
20.He's still a Mortal no matter how tough he might be. Mortal things can kill Mortals doesn't matter how tough you are. Ares got killed with TBOTG in 1 hit.
21.Actually yes he can. Weak or not which is why The Sickles didn't hurt him in DMC3(hell the only Devil Arm to hurt him was Yamato)and bullet's can't hurt him.
22.How? It's a Spirtual Form and CANNOT be hurt and he won't know which is the real one and he will be distracted.
Dante has an attack that moves faster than the speed of sound. The rift that was created by the sheathing and unsheathing of his sword(Yamato) created a rift in space time directed at Dante. And he(Vergil) does this in succession, several times, especially in the final fight with him. Then Dante gets this same ability with the Dark Slayer style where he makes it even faster. In cutscenes Dante is fast. I haven't seen Kratos do anything fast in cutscenes.
2?
3. find your own proof, dont ask me to find your proof for you.
4. Zeus is many times his size, cannot be burned and his bones cannot be broken and has shown to deal great damage, Mundus is nothing...
6. Show me then, prove it, ive read that it says it can cut through almost any mortal object. I have, its more likely from your speech you have not. Your sentence didnt make sense.....Beowulf is a demon and he was slain by Yamato..so?
7. See now I know youve never played DMC 4, you obviously dont know that alll Dante did was free Nero, they were both battling after that, Dante was still fighting Saviour and Nero was fighting the old man inside.
8. uncanon so no he didnt, the real version of Dante didnt defeat any of those characters, the real version of Dante has never beaten anything as powerful as Zeus, let alone anything more...
9. it doesnt need anything more, its weight and tonnage are more than enough, far beyond anything Dante has survivied.
10. In any of the games Mundus can be harmed by any weapon....also once again, your asking me to prove things FOR YOU CHARACTERS YOU have to prove evidence that Mundus CANNOT be defeated by any weapon. And their not rocks, huge stone pillars, something else that would crush Dante didnt harm Zeus, he gave up Orbs but they didnt harm him, it was impaling with the sword that harms Zeus.
11. youve got a lot to learn, Demi-God is just a title, the fact someone is God or a Demi-God doesnt make them powerful, their powers do, Kratos was a powerless Demi-God.....
12. Several impalements and a final impalement from a blade empowered by the Gods and can wipe out armies with a swing...thats not pathetic m8, thats damn powerful that the guy actually survived...STOP DODGING THE QUESTION WHATS MUNDUS ACTUALLY DONE?, nothing suggests he would survive being stepped on...
13. That never happened in the GOW series.....
14. see you dont know...so you made it up, unless you can give proof stop going on about Dante only be harmed by devil arms because nobody else believes you, theres no proof for it. King of demons is a title, so titles mean nothing so stop going on with that rubbish, their weak little shards that have done nothing impressive before and they sliced through Dante and took him out of his strongest form.
15. Ime not sure if Gods can be stoned or not, but there sstill no evidence for Dante being able to survive stoning, stop lieing.
16. because the Colossus is made out of bronze not stone, metal>saviour stone, not to mention he didnt have to did he, he blew a hole in it with the Blade of Olmypus.
17. You cant doge the wave beam he does which destroyed the spartan army...
18. kratos gained power from those beings, they didnt actually help him in the battle like Trish helped Dante....He was banished because he says so himself, he gets sucked into the portal, Mundus was definatley banished.....if you didnt pick that up in the story then its a joke that your debating against me for the side of Dante.
19. yh
20. stop with that shit, ive proven several times kratos was a demi-god and that throwing around titles is a load of crap, titles dont mean anything, Mortal weapons could kill Dante or Mundus.
21. nothing still says no mortal weapon can harm Dante.
22. as i just said, Kratos powers can hit all of them at once
Originally posted by Burning thought
2?3. find your own proof, dont ask me to find your proof for you.
4. Zeus is many times his size, cannot be burned and his bones cannot be broken and has shown to deal great damage, Mundus is nothing...
6. Show me then, prove it, ive read that it says it can cut through almost any mortal object. I have, its more likely from your speech you have not. Your sentence didnt make sense.....Beowulf is a demon and he was slain by Yamato..so?
7. See now I know youve never played DMC 4, you obviously dont know that alll Dante did was free Nero, they were both battling after that, Dante was still fighting Saviour and Nero was fighting the old man inside.
8. uncanon so no he didnt, the real version of Dante didnt defeat any of those characters, the real version of Dante has never beaten anything as powerful as Zeus, let alone anything more...
9. it doesnt need anything more, its weight and tonnage are more than enough, far beyond anything Dante has survivied.
10. In any of the games Mundus can be harmed by any weapon....also once again, your asking me to prove things [b]FOR YOU CHARACTERS
YOU have to prove evidence that Mundus CANNOT be defeated by any weapon. And their not rocks, huge stone pillars, something else that would crush Dante didnt harm Zeus, he gave up Orbs but they didnt harm him, it was impaling with the sword that harms Zeus.11. youve got a lot to learn, Demi-God is just a title, the fact someone is God or a Demi-God doesnt make them powerful, their powers do, Kratos was a powerless Demi-God.....
12. Several impalements and a final impalement from a blade empowered by the Gods and can wipe out armies with a swing...thats not pathetic m8, thats damn powerful that the guy actually survived...STOP DODGING THE QUESTION WHATS MUNDUS ACTUALLY DONE?, nothing suggests he would survive being stepped on...
13. That never happened in the GOW series.....
14. see you dont know...so you made it up, unless you can give proof stop going on about Dante only be harmed by devil arms because nobody else believes you, theres no proof for it. King of demons is a title, so titles mean nothing so stop going on with that rubbish, their weak little shards that have done nothing impressive before and they sliced through Dante and took him out of his strongest form.
15. Ime not sure if Gods can be stoned or not, but there sstill no evidence for Dante being able to survive stoning, stop lieing.
16. because the Colossus is made out of bronze not stone, metal>saviour stone, not to mention he didnt have to did he, he blew a hole in it with the Blade of Olmypus.
17. You cant doge the wave beam he does which destroyed the spartan army...
18. kratos gained power from those beings, they didnt actually help him in the battle like Trish helped Dante....He was banished because he says so himself, he gets sucked into the portal, Mundus was definatley banished.....if you didnt pick that up in the story then its a joke that your debating against me for the side of Dante.
19. yh
20. stop with that shit, ive proven several times kratos was a demi-god and that throwing around titles is a load of crap, titles dont mean anything, Mortal weapons could kill Dante or Mundus.
21. nothing still says no mortal weapon can harm Dante.
22. as i just said, Kratos powers can hit all of them at once [/B]
2.?
3.Your the one who doesn't believe me
4.Where does he say he can't be burned or bones broken? Mundus has no bones to break and I doubt he can be burned. Why didn't he step on Kratos?
6."it says it can cut through anything human made" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fingvpD35DE
7.So he still defeated it.
8.Zeus isn't the most powerful video game chracter. What can Zeus beat Goku next? And he has.
9.It's just big like I said.
10.Mortal weapons? Dante FORGED(forges)his Demon Power into his weapons. Zeus was hurt by rocks. If not why did Krato's do it twice? Why didn't he just rush The Blade in his stomach?
11.So he must've not been much then
12.Prove to me he will be stepped on and die then. You keep doging my question why did Zeus just step on Kratos. And we haven't seen much of Mundus of what he can do. He atleast made a demention by flapping his wings(whatever he did)
13.I was talking Greek Myth.
14.Anime? Just like Zeus' weak bolts. They only get hurt by Demonic Beings. Which is why Lady's bullets didn't harm him. King of Olympus is a title because if he is THAT powerful he would've destoryed Kratos in 123. And why did The Blade kill Athena then? It was revealed in the anime the only way to kill Dante is to rip out his heart with a Devil Arm. And why didn't his Arrows hurt him the other times then?
15.So? How can he stone him if he does Devil Trigger?
16.So? Where does it says it's stone?
17.RoyalGuard W/Dreadnought Armor can or hell he can just jump up in the air(and fly)
18.If that's in the case he didn't have help. She just gave him her power that's all. That's in the case Krato's had help. Like Gaia/Ares/Zeus helped him.
19.
20.Prove to me it can? Why didn't the sickles kill him then? Demigods doesn't mean anything. Kratos was nonething more than a human until he traded his souls to Ares. And he forges his power into the weapons. So no Mortal weapons can't hurt them. And E&I isn't a Mortal's Weapon. Nightmare isn't And the RL rarely hurts him and he doesn't show in affection. Mortal weapons can't hurt Mundus because you can't equip the shotgun.
21.He isn't a Mortal otherwise the sickles would have hurt him.
22.How can he hit a shadow? Exactly he can't.
How can he step Gilgames & Pandora(A Giant Lasor Cannon--extra weapons). Sparda=God if Sparda was a God the other Demon Kings had to be as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dpDLBRe8VI and if Dante defeated Sparda he has power of a God(something like that). And has gotten stabbed by Alastor(A GOD'S SWORD)and got right back up.
Kratos carries the title of "God"(or DemiGod).
But, in terms of gameplay, the demons Dante faces are clearly more agressive and fast than those mithology creatures Kratos faces.
They are diferent games. Kratos killed an Hidra, but Echidna, from DMC4, is a lot more dangerous (in a direct comparison) than the Hidra.
And the Zeus featured in the game is not as extravagant as Mundus in DMC1.
In words, "Gods" are bigger than "demons", but, in terms of gameplay, GOW "gods" are not like DMC "demons".
Dante's demonic energies that harm his foes through his guns.
Dante killed the most powerful evil God to exist(I don't see how Zues is any different).
Originally posted by Gumachi
How can he stop his DoppleGangers(not gonna know which is the real one)?
Originally posted by Gumachi
Dante can dodge The Savior's beam attacks. Has Million Stab. Honey Comb Fire.Dante killed: Mundus, Argosax, the Savior, the entire cast of SMT3, and has combatted the incarnate power of Spada-Power of a God.
Dante is immortal, and cant be defeated by any other means than a devil arm that cuts out his heart.
Originally posted by Gumachi
He can only use it IF he's inside the mirrior.He can't do it while outside.
Didn't you hear Gaia when she said there power resides in these great mirrors?
Originally posted by k1Lla441
Easy. kill them both.You have been redudant during this whole arguement. we dont care. you already stated this many times. Dante is a solid fighter, a good one, but not comparable to kratos. The only thing dante has for sure is speed, and maby durability. Kratos completely dominates in any other category.
Did you hear mother gaia when she said kratos has the power to control time?
How can you touch a shadow? It can only be hurt by light. Why can't other Demons hurt the Doppleganger?
He's better than Kratos. Dante: Speed, Agility, Endurace, Durability. Kratos: Endurance, Strength, Duarabiliy
Yes I did. But when you defeat Clotho she said the power of the Fates reside in these great mirrors. So he HAS to be in the mirror. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvdXm1FbVdE
The Blade's magic energies could contend with Dante on a field of godly power, physically the blade is useless against him. Dante is faster and a better swordsman than Kratos, so yeah, he can get close. Kratos' time powers are limited to a pathetic 1/2 speed whilst near a statue. Dante can do anything he wants to with time with both his own magic energies (Quiksilver) and the Bangle of Time
Originally posted by Gumachi
How can you touch a shadow? It can only be hurt by light. Why can't other Demons hurt the Doppleganger?He's better than Kratos. Dante: Speed, Agility, Endurace, Durability. Kratos: Endurance, Strength, Duarabiliy
Yes I did. But when you defeat Clotho she said the power of the Fates reside in these great mirrors. So he HAS to be in the mirror. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvdXm1FbVdE
The Blade's magic energies could contend with Dante on a field of godly power, physically the blade is useless against him. Dante is faster and a better swordsman than Kratos, so yeah, he can get close. Kratos' time powers are limited to a pathetic 1/2 speed whilst near a statue. Dante can do anything he wants to with time with both his own magic energies (Quiksilver) and the Bangle of Time
Not even.
Ok, i never said she didnt say that. But her latest comment was saying that kratos has the power to control time, so i would think that her latest comment is the true one. And why would you believe mother gaia when she said kratos has to be in the mirror, but when i prove to you that mother gaia said that kratos does have the power to control time, you dont believe her then? This isnt a propaganda, you cant simply choose to believe whats fact and whats not nor can you try to stretch the truth or ignore facts that hurt your character.
And what ever happened to my last arguement? you just stopped.
Originally posted by k1Lla441
kratos has lightning at his disposal.Not even.
Ok, i never said she didnt say that. But her latest comment was saying that kratos has the power to control time, so i would think that her latest comment is the true one. And why would you believe mother gaia when she said kratos has to be in the mirror, but when i prove to you that mother gaia said that kratos does have the power to control time, you dont believe her then? This isnt a propaganda, you cant simply choose to believe whats fact and whats not nor can you try to stretch the truth or ignore facts that hurt your character.
And what ever happened to my last arguement? you just stopped.
Doesn't mean it will hurt him. Why doesn't the sun hurt Doppleganger? And It posseses Dante(it's his shadow). Before he defeated it, it was just a normal shadow.
How?
mean the power resides in the mirrors. Which mean his true time powers can only be used while he's inside the mirror.
What last argument?(Not in a rude way)but honestly i'm getting tired of this Kratos vs Dante thing and it's not getting anyware.
Originally posted by Gumachi
He's better than Kratos. Dante: Speed, Agility, Endurace, Durability. Kratos: Endurance, Strength, Duarabiliy
Dante: Speed, Agility, Endurance, Durability, and Weapons
Kratos: Strength, Weapons, Endurance, Durability, and Magic
Originally posted by k1Lla441
And what ever happened to my last arguement? you just stopped.
Because he probably knows he lost there. Although I say Dante wins, it's because I haven't played through all of GoW2 yet. When I do, I will say who is better IMO.
Originally posted by Gumachi
As for DEVIL ARMS only hurting Dante. Let's put it this way the only sword to actually hurt him was Yamato. We haven't seen anything BUT Yamato hurt him.
What makes you think that BoO won't hurt him. I heard it killed all of the Titans. Why not Dante though?
Originally posted by Wil Deidara
Dante: Speed, Agility, Endurance, Durability, and WeaponsKratos: Strength, Weapons, Endurance, Durability, and Magic
Because he probably knows he lost there. Although I say Dante wins, it's because I haven't played through all of GoW2 yet. When I do, I will say who is better IMO.
1.Okay I agree
2.No just no. I didn't even see his last post. And I don't think I replied idk.