Originally posted by Wil Deidara
Dante could probably beat Zeus.Kratos would have killed him if it wasn't for Athena.
He would.
Kratos could probably kill every other Greek God(with possesion of The Blade of Olympus--Unless he has blessing of other Gods MAYBE).
But the only reason he stood a chance against him was because he had Titan's powers to back him up.
Originally posted by Gumachi
3.Well I must've been right4.He was not talking about Gods. And you have no direct proof he was talking about Gods.
6.It can still cut thru Krato's head.
7.So? It still was defeated.
8.Greater than Kratos? If so Berial.
9.He knocked down a giant statue.
10.Meh
11.No. Ares gave him powers. Dante was born with his powers he said it himself
12.You do know they have superstrength? He can just throw him off. And who said he is gonna turn giant? Why didn't he just do that with the Titans or just crush Kratos?(which you haven't answered yet). Zeus is nonething because he was put to deepsleep.
13.I can meh if I desire.
14.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex298FW93Lg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_rzIftuscE&feature=related
^@1:45-1:47
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_1kETIVweo15.He can take WAYYY more damage. And it wouldn't hurt him.
16.Never said he was. And Devil Trigger is.
17.He can be out of reach of Eurayle's Rage and attack him with Lucifer(Blades)
18.WRONG(that happened to DMC3 to Arkaham). Jackpot to Mundus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_Agrz4bW9c&feature=related20.Then explain the infinite ammo.
21.Another Mortal's weapon that didn't effect him. And he made Lady shoot him in the stomach and it didn't hurt him
22.Because he can't simple as that.
23.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dpDLBRe8VI
^@7:19-7:2324.Actually he did. That was his true form.
25.Oh. That can probably be avoided.
Dante can throw 100 Blades in Krato's Face(Lucifer)making them explode killing him.
3. Theres no logic in that...
4. Ive got the video, he was talking about Gods..
6. Not if he protects himself with the Golden fleece
7. lol yeh and not by Dante by himself...
8. Berial isnt great lol....hes the kind of mosnter Kratos tosses around and beats the cr@p out of....and no, greater than ZEUS
9. DANTE has not been hit by anything as strong as the colossus of Rhodes
11. Dante was not born with DT power...he needs rebellion and his necklace of sparda before he gained that power..
12. Mundus has superstrength? ****ing LMAO. show me Mundus strength feats that makes him viable for throwing the skyscraper sized Zeus? He was giant when he was with the Titans....
13. it just means youve been beaten at an argument so yeh, its fine by me...
14. Thats gameplay....
15. so prove it kiddo lol
16. Devil trigger isnt a spirit form, otherwise prove it...
17. But you just said Kratos wouldnt know what a gun was....so Dante wouldnt know what Euryales rage is...so he would end up being turned to stone nad wouldnt have a chance..
18. that video didnt show Jackpot...
20. Gameplay, just like Legolas in the lord of rings games has infnite bow ammo....alll gameplay
21. yes it did, it made him bleed....he didnt die but it pierced his flesh..
22. but its not lol....
23. lol didnt you even look at your own video, he said HE WAS going to be reborn as a NEW GOD using the power of Sparda, he never said anything about Sparda himself being a God, Sparda has always being a knight...
24. no, lol, it was weak anyway, so much for most powerful dark God....
25. how? its a massive wave, Dante wouldnt avoid it at all...
100 blades? show me him fireing 100 blades from Lucifer...
Also debate properly Gumachi, when you claim something, back it up with evidence or dont claim it, in the future if you dont give reasons for your arguments ime not going to reply to them, saying Dante is invincible or can defeat kratos in one hit or Mundus is unstopable randomly without giving reason and evidence for when its necessery your looking stupid and not making any sense.
Originally posted by Gumachi
He would.Kratos could probably kill every other Greek God(with possesion of The Blade of Olympus--Unless he has blessing of other Gods MAYBE).
But the only reason he stood a chance against him was because he had Titan's powers to back him up.
You speak as if it was direct hands-on assistance. No. It wasn't. The only ones in God of War 2 that Kratos was "given" was the Atlas Quake. Kratos as the God of War was already becoming too powerful for Zeus to leave be, and Ares alone would silence Dante with a single gesture. Zeus and Ares by feats and simple status are more powerful than a good lot of the beings Dante fights who at best compare to the GoW characters but only by implication of name would one think that they surpass them. The terms "Gods" and "Demons" are shown to not be interchangeable between one-another in DMC (i.e. In DMC4, the Order of the Sword worshipped Sparda, a demon knight, as a God, to which Dante replied "They worship a Demon as a God?"😉.
Dante on as many occasions as Kratos gained powers not from himself, and there's no rationality in dismissing such as gameplay while dismissing Kratos' as canon (not that I'm saying it's what anyone's doing, but either way), because that's just bias.
As with the case of something like Ganondorf vs. Sephiroth, when taking the full knowledge of both characters at their highest degree into account and not the fanbase or groundless eye-candy shown on one side (which is, wishing no disrespect to his real fans, how alot of Sephroth voters base their opinion in the debate from my experiences elsewhere) as opposed to the factual dialouge, evidence, and more subtly portrayed feats of the other side (in the case mentioned, Ganondorf, and at hand in this thread, Kratos). To a point, the same can be applied to this debate in the right sense, but that's just rambling on my part.
So, no. Dante would not and could not defeat Zeus, as he has neither the means, nor the right powers at hand.
Originally posted by Burning thought
3. Theres no logic in that...4. Ive got the video, he was talking about Gods..
6. Not if he protects himself with the Golden fleece
7. lol yeh and not by Dante by himself...
8. Berial isnt great lol....hes the kind of mosnter Kratos tosses around and beats the cr@p out of....and no, greater than [b]ZEUS
9. DANTE has not been hit by anything as strong as the colossus of Rhodes
11. Dante was not born with DT power...he needs rebellion and his necklace of sparda before he gained that power..
12. Mundus has superstrength? ****ing LMAO. show me Mundus strength feats that makes him viable for throwing the skyscraper sized Zeus? He was giant when he was with the Titans....
13. it just means youve been beaten at an argument so yeh, its fine by me...
14. Thats gameplay....
15. so prove it kiddo lol
16. Devil trigger isnt a spirit form, otherwise prove it...
17. But you just said Kratos wouldnt know what a gun was....so Dante wouldnt know what Euryales rage is...so he would end up being turned to stone nad wouldnt have a chance..
18. that video didnt show Jackpot...
20. Gameplay, just like Legolas in the lord of rings games has infnite bow ammo....alll gameplay
21. yes it did, it made him bleed....he didnt die but it pierced his flesh..
22. but its not lol....
23. lol didnt you even look at your own video, he said HE WAS going to be reborn as a NEW GOD using the power of Sparda, he never said anything about Sparda himself being a God, Sparda has always being a knight...
24. no, lol, it was weak anyway, so much for most powerful dark God....
25. how? its a massive wave, Dante wouldnt avoid it at all...
100 blades? show me him fireing 100 blades from Lucifer... [/B]
3.Because I was right
4.He never said "God" he could've been talking about pain of humans.
6.Not if he teleport behind Krato's
7.He could've if he wanted to. Krato's couldn't defeat Collosus without The Blade(possibly).
8.He's the fire of Lord Hell and Krato's hasn't faced anything like that.
9.So? Doesn't mean he will die either.
11.No. Vergil impaled him with Rebellion causing him to go DT. Either he was born powerful
12.No he wasn't he was small as a human http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fEFd_BiXQg. Well Dante has superstrength and get's it from Sparda. All Zeus does if throw bolts.
That's the only way he can kill him? Because he would just laugh.
13.Not really.
14.Maybe 1 of the vids were. But not the other 2.
15.Let's see get hit by 6 Scythes, Get stabbed with Rebellion/Yamato, Punched Thru Yamato, Punched by Beowulf(at full power), by Nero, got hit by Mundus' Arrows fell from a huge height(while getting hit with fireballs), took Force Edge(heart) while get shocked, took a God's sword.
16.Prove it can be stoned. Neogenerator--It takes your soul and you become a Devil(trigger)
17.Not if he jump waaay high in the air out of reach.
18.Oops I thought it did sorry but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxqCFWQN7Go&feature=related
20.He had infinite ammo when he faught Vergil. And "Leviathan" scene
21.He didn't feel anything.
22.Either way he can't stop that.
23.Exactly. He was talking about the birth(power) of a NEW GOD. The power of Sparda. He has power atleast to surpass Mundus.
24.Just like the Fates were weak. Most powerful God.
25.He can easily jump in the air. Or go DT(Alastor DT) to fly.
I never said at once(which he could do easily) but he can throw enough killing him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxqkbCFA0no
Originally posted by Gumachi
He would.Kratos could probably kill every other Greek God(with possesion of The Blade of Olympus--Unless he has blessing of other Gods MAYBE).
But the only reason he stood a chance against him was because he had Titan's powers to back him up.
Not even.
zues had the blade in his possession during the fight, too. so you could call that even, as kratos didnt even us if half the time becuase they both kept taking it from one another.
Not necassarily. In gameplay mechanics, yes kratos did have the titan powers. but then again in gameplay mechanics i can beat zues with just the blades athena and the BoO if i really wanted to, which makes him no worse or better of a fighter. At the end, or during any video sequence did it show kratos using some titan power against zues? no.
Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
You speak as if it was direct hands-on assistance. No. It wasn't. The only ones in God of War 2 that Kratos was "given" was the Atlas Quake. Kratos as the God of War was already becoming too powerful for Zeus to leave be, and Ares alone would silence Dante with a single gesture. Zeus and Ares by feats and simple status are more powerful than a good lot of the beings Dante fights who at best compare to the GoW characters but only by implication of name would one think that they surpass them. The terms "Gods" and "Demons" are shown to not be interchangeable between one-another in DMC (i.e. In DMC4, the Order of the Sword worshipped Sparda, a demon knight, as a God, to which Dante replied "They worship a Demon as a God?"😉.Dante on as many occasions as Kratos gained powers not from himself, and there's no rationality in dismissing such as gameplay while dismissing Kratos' as canon (not that I'm saying it's what anyone's doing, but either way), because that's just bias.
As with the case of something like Ganondorf vs. Sephiroth, when taking the full knowledge of both characters at their highest degree into account and not the fanbase or groundless eye-candy shown on one side (which is, wishing no disrespect to his real fans, how alot of Sephroth voters base their opinion in the debate from my experiences elsewhere) as opposed to the factual dialouge, evidence, and more subtly portrayed feats of the other side (in the case mentioned, Ganondorf, and at hand in this thread, Kratos). To a point, the same can be applied to this debate in the right sense, but that's just rambling on my part.
So, no. Dante would not and could not defeat Zeus, as he has neither the means, nor the right powers at hand.
Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
You speak as if it was direct hands-on assistance. No. It wasn't. The only ones in God of War 2 that Kratos was "given" was the Atlas Quake. Kratos as the God of War was already becoming too powerful for Zeus to leave be, and Ares alone would silence Dante with a single gesture. Zeus and Ares by feats and simple status are more powerful than a good lot of the beings Dante fights who at best compare to the GoW characters but only by implication of name would one think that they surpass them. The terms "Gods" and "Demons" are shown to not be interchangeable between one-another in DMC (i.e. In DMC4, the Order of the Sword worshipped Sparda, a demon knight, as a God, to which Dante replied "They worship a Demon as a God?"😉.Dante on as many occasions as Kratos gained powers not from himself, and there's no rationality in dismissing such as gameplay while dismissing Kratos' as canon (not that I'm saying it's what anyone's doing, but either way), because that's just bias.
As with the case of something like Ganondorf vs. Sephiroth, when taking the full knowledge of both characters at their highest degree into account and not the fanbase or groundless eye-candy shown on one side (which is, wishing no disrespect to his real fans, how alot of Sephroth voters base their opinion in the debate from my experiences elsewhere) as opposed to the factual dialouge, evidence, and more subtly portrayed feats of the other side (in the case mentioned, Ganondorf, and at hand in this thread, Kratos). To a point, the same can be applied to this debate in the right sense, but that's just rambling on my part.
So, no. Dante would not and could not defeat Zeus, as he has neither the means, nor the right powers at hand.
Wrong Crono's Rage was. So your telling me the God of War could kill Zeus(Gods of Gods)? He must not be that bad. The Gods in God of War are just Gods who has control over something(Example: Ares-War, Poseidon-Sea, Helios-Sun, Zeus-Sky,etc). He doesn't need them. And most of the powers he get he finds them.
Yes he could.
Originally posted by k1Lla441
Not even.zues had the blade in his possession during the fight, too. so you could call that even, as kratos didnt even us if half the time becuase they both kept taking it from one another.
Not necassarily. In gameplay mechanics, yes kratos did have the titan powers. but then again in gameplay mechanics i can beat zues with just the blades athena and the BoO if i really wanted to, which makes him no worse or better of a fighter. At the end, or during any video sequence did it show kratos using some titan power against zues? no.
You hit the nail right on the head. If any of you dont get this, please tell me, because i would love to clarify becuase this makes perfect sense. A lot of the weapons and items that dante aquired were aquired in the exact same way as kratos' weapons were, so calling kratos out for something dante has done his entire life is completely biased. If dante was, lets say, get in a fight with zues, please gumachi, i mean PLEASE tell me an exact step by step process of how he would beat him. thanks for makin tons of sense f.t
True.
No. He would've have went from Titan-To-Titan aquring the powers.
He didn't need them. Umm Sparda Cannon will kill Zeus(under his own power).
Dante killed the Conquer of Hell(Berial) http://devilmaycry.wikia.com/wiki/Berial_the_Conqueror_of_the_Fire_Hell
and Leviathan
http://devilmaycry.wikia.com/wiki/Leviathan_the_Evil_God-Beast
Originally posted by Gumachi
3.Because I was right4.He never said "God" he could've been talking about pain of humans.
6.Not if he teleport behind Krato's
7.He could've if he wanted to. Krato's couldn't defeat Collosus without The Blade(possibly).
8.He's the fire of Lord Hell and Krato's hasn't faced anything like that.
9.So? Doesn't mean he will die either.
11.No. Vergil impaled him with Rebellion causing him to go DT. Either he was born powerful
12.No he wasn't he was small as a human http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fEFd_BiXQg. Well Dante has superstrength and get's it from Sparda. All Zeus does if throw bolts.
That's the only way he can kill him? Because he would just laugh.13.Not really.
14.Maybe 1 of the vids were. But not the other 2.
15.Let's see get hit by 6 Scythes, Get stabbed with Rebellion/Yamato, Punched Thru Yamato, Punched by Beowulf(at full power), by Nero, got hit by Mundus' Arrows fell from a huge height(while getting hit with fireballs), took Force Edge(heart) while get shocked, took a God's sword.
16.Prove it can be stoned. Neogenerator--It takes your soul and you become a Devil(trigger)
17.Not if he jump waaay high in the air out of reach.
18.Oops I thought it did sorry but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxqCFWQN7Go&feature=related
20.He had infinite ammo when he faught Vergil. And "Leviathan" scene
21.He didn't feel anything.
22.Either way he can't stop that.
23.Exactly. He was talking about the birth(power) of a NEW GOD. The power of Sparda. He has power atleast to surpass Mundus.
24.Just like the Fates were weak. Most powerful God.
25.He can easily jump in the air. Or go DT(Alastor DT) to fly.
I never said at once(which he could do easily) but he can throw enough killing him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxqkbCFA0no
3. if you forgot your own argument it means I win...again..
6. Dante has never teleported behind an enemy and attacked first, only later does he do that...and in any case Kratos could be using his many AOE moves still
7. No he couldnt, because he couldnt get inside where Nero is...and in the end, He didnt so its a non factor argument, you lose...again
8. No hes the LORD of the fire hell, a plane of hell, which is...a title which means nothing in the end hes far weaker than most enemies Kratos has faced, and is similiar to the mintaur he fights before gaininig Hades powers.
9. it does in this debate, by your logic Golem from lord of the rings could survive a nuclear bomb and 1000 shots from Mundus just because hes never been hit by them before...
11. yes nad his best ability is DT....which he wasnt born with
12. he was full God size, what makes you think he was human sized? just because hes tiny compared to the Titans? the Titans are enormous.....youe obviously never played GOW 2...he is God size in that vid
14. the only one showing him getting his by lighting was the second one...which was gameplay
15. Most of those actually hurt him tho and he still hasnt been hit by anything as strong as Colossus of rhodes..
16. you need to learn how to debate.
17. yeh rite and Kratos would survive all dantes attacks if he jumps way way high into the air out of reach!
18. I was right...
20. show me, it was prob gameplay..
21. A leppa doesnt feel pain but they still get cut and can be ripped apart...
22. Sure he could, hed prob destroy it with lightning and Hades soldiers anyway
23. yeh, himself......Sparda was nothing to do with the title of God, not that its relevent
24. Fates could move through time and space, fire a variety of powerful energy projectiles etc etc, what can Despair embodied do? hes just a shiny dude with pathetic attacks...
25. yeh rite and Kratos can just jump in the air ftw!
nah they wouldnt hit him, coz Kratos would just jump in the air ftw!
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Pft, BT I am ashamed of you, taking this long to debate this funny young man.Least I have an excuse, I was busy playing Fallout 3 during my "hiatus."
Originally posted by Burning thoughtMeh...I wonder if I should go search for his post I never replied to.
neither of us are really debating, he has no capability for it and so therefore ime more simply shoving facts into here so that anyone with half a mind (unlike my so called opponent) can see the truths behind how stupid it is to think Dante is going to win this easily if at all.
Yeah but Fallout 3 is one of the best games I have ever played.
Originally posted by Burning thought
3. if you forgot your own argument it means I win...again..6. Dante has never teleported behind an enemy and attacked first, only later does he do that...and in any case Kratos could be using his many AOE moves still
7. No he couldnt, because he couldnt get inside where Nero is...and in the end, He didnt so its a non factor argument, you lose...again
8. No hes the LORD of the fire hell, a plane of hell, which is...[b]a title which means nothing
in the end hes far weaker than most enemies Kratos has faced, and is similiar to the mintaur he fights before gaininig Hades powers.9. it does in this debate, by your logic Golem from lord of the rings could survive a nuclear bomb and 1000 shots from Mundus just because hes never been hit by them before...
11. yes nad his best ability is DT....which he wasnt born with
12. he was full God size, what makes you think he was human sized? just because hes tiny compared to the Titans? the Titans are enormous.....youe obviously never played GOW 2...he is God size in that vid
14. the only one showing him getting his by lighting was the second one...which was gameplay
15. Most of those actually hurt him tho and he still hasnt been hit by anything as strong as Colossus of rhodes..
16. you need to learn how to debate.
17. yeh rite and Kratos would survive all dantes attacks if he jumps way way high into the air out of reach!
18. I was right...
20. show me, it was prob gameplay..
21. A leppa doesnt feel pain but they still get cut and can be ripped apart...
22. Sure he could, hed prob destroy it with lightning and Hades soldiers anyway
23. yeh, himself......Sparda was nothing to do with the title of God, not that its relevent
24. Fates could move through time and space, fire a variety of powerful energy projectiles etc etc, what can Despair embodied do? hes just a shiny dude with pathetic attacks...
25. yeh rite and Kratos can just jump in the air ftw!
nah they wouldnt hit him, coz Kratos would just jump in the air ftw! [/B]
3.Nope.
6.Dark Slayer I mean.
7.Well he still fell(defeated). Which explains why he can go Sparda DT
8.Not he's not a half man half bull. Look in the bible for Berial. He still killed the Lord of Hell and Krato's hasn't faced anything like the Lord of Hell. Weak? No in Greek Myth hundred of warriors slayed what Kratos has.
9.This is about(you saying)Mundus can kill Zeus which he probably can. Ares by the looks of it was slain by a normal sword(it looked like it, the only thing about it is size). And you didn't answer my question so I guess I win.
11.He still was born with powers. DT just transform him into a Devil.
12.No he wasn't when he faught Kratos he didn't look that big.
14.He got hit by a Alastor's Sword(Lighting God)
15.But he doesn't die. And it wouldn't kill him
16.O-kaayyy
17.WRONG. Dante can jump in the air higher than Kratos.
18.You said "both" as in Trish and Dante. Dante shot Jackpot.
20.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oOoqPaQBmo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOkQnuqNivU&feature=related
^We never saw him reload.
21.Leppa? Dante regeneration ability is to high to get even get dismemered. He nearly gets dismemered(I think he did)by Vergil. And his arm gets sewed on(I think)
22.Why can't Nevan's lighting hurt it? DG and Dante is one him
23.He had power to surpass a God at the most
24.Powerful? No. They can only travel thru time while inside the mirror. They were weak from getting impaled in the head once(besides Clotho)
25.He can jump with him he can't dodge him. And what if he has DoppleGanger and him throwing them.
He couldn't even kill a Barbarian w/o having help(and Gods w/o their powers) Which is why he stood a chance against Zeus(and he came close to killing him because of trickery). Ares got killed with a normal sword(?). Dante is a half human and his sword didn't effect him.
Quiksilver(which he can also control time and space)? Chop Krato's up with Yamato(which he can do time space moves I think), put 100 bullets in Krato's face, and then kill Kratos with Lucifer. Dante has Bangle of Time which stops the whole world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPj0K-suckM&feature=related You can just imagine how powerful Yamato is he destroyed the stone without touching the damn thing