Dante (DMC 4) Vs Sephiroth (Advent Children)

Originally posted by SHM
1) Sephiroth doesn't need to be durable, because he have regeneration.
In the fight with Bizarro Sephiroth, many parts of his body, after being destroyed, regenerated.

2) Omnislash Version 5 isn't "being cut/stabbed with swords". It's an attack happening at insane speed(the creators said it happened in an instant), empowered by spirit energy, [b]and a spiritual one(it was phasing through Sephiroth's body, directly attacking his spirit).

3) Zack Fair was easily dodging machine-gun fire, from multiple enemies. The same Zack Fair who was speedblitzed and owned by Sephiroth, in his weakest form[/B]

1.Yea, but we aint talkin' bout Bizzaro Sephiroth, the humanoid Sephiroth has no such ability.

2.But there is no way to gauge how powerful the OS Ver.5 is. Plus Dante doesn't use regular guns. There is no proof that Seph can survive a gunshot to the head. He was killed/beaten wit swords 3 times already. Nothin' you stated leads me to believe that Cloud doesn't use his swords for the OS Ver.5, especialy since you can see'em usin'em in the movie and games.

3. There is a difference in bein' good enough to move outta the way of gun fire and bein so damn fast that he can see the bullets, and shoot at'em, stoppin'em in there tracks. The guy is so fast he can shoot bullets at bullets and that aint even his best feat. have you seen DMC 3 and that's when Dante was just gettin started. I have never seen Zack or Seph do anything that good.

And isn't Last Order noncanon anyway?

That is what I think.

Originally posted by Burning thought
[B]He gets high praise for his endurance and survivability....not durability....

look the video you showed me is worthless, the sephiroth looks like a transparent hologram unless ime to belive Sephiroth is a glowing blue character...

No Sephiroth is "above" all in FF, what they mean by that only you can assume is that he can beat all beings within it..Fact...Chaos has shown to be faster and vastly powerful to a degree to destroy Sephiroth and his non excistent feats...fact.....Omega weapon is enormous and according to Jaxx, vastly powerful and can destroy worlds....fact...in other words, that statement is hyperbole.

Right here is a good example of feats vs fact, you can claim Chaos has shown to be faster, more powerful,etc but we haven't seen close to the limits of Sephiroth, so sure Chaos has shown more, but does that mean he is? No it does not. Proof is by the creators words themselves.

Omega WEAPON can kill everything on the planet, take the lifestream, leave the planet as a wasteland, fly to another planet. Sephiroth can kill everyone on the planet as well, control the lifestream, and use the planet as a vessel to raid other planets.

What non-existant feats? All the feats ive said about Sephiroth, are FACT.

Who is more powerful? By the creators words, Sephiroth is.

I can say its hyperbole because its illogical and unkown. Either way, your argument and A>B>C logic falls short.

Sephiroth lost to a PIS Omnislash so that fight shouldnt even be mentioned.

Yes it does, its incredible speed, for a pair to move their blades so fast that it creates a sphere around them where rain cannot enter, is incredible speed, far beyond Sephiroth, same with the fact Dante can fight with Vergil or near to equel terms (and above him) later in the game and Vergil can stop bullets on his sword with ease.

Almost anyone in the high tier characters of FF7 can stop/deflect/dodge bullets with ease.

And if Cloud wasnt under massive PIS and Omnislashed at the beginning Sephiroths fans would be drooling over and constantly saying Sephiroth was under PIS.....you still cant debate againt that fact.

Ill w8 until Jaxx can bring up Omega weapons feats again, I remember him saying Omega weapon could do it far faster than Sephiroth who took years just to corrupt the lifestream and be reborn (from yet another of his defeats)

no BS, you completly ignored my point on how the LT is omnipotent and is known to be such....it just shows your still the typical low level debator.

LT isn't omnipotent, TOAA is, Pre-retcon Beyonder was sort of omnipotent, Thanos /w the HOTI sort of was, LT is not.

no because your flesh is still being destroyed...your talking about endurance/surviability.

Durability: able to resist wear, decay, etc., well; lasting; enduring

Regeneration helps resist wear, decay, and all that, therefore it helps a person Durability.

I dont even know what the hell "surviability" is and "endurance" is like fatigue.

I dont know as much as the creators, but I know what Hyperbole is, and that statement stinks of it since Sephiroth has shown no feats or evidence to suggest otherwise....

Sephiroth hasn't even flexed his powers, you would have a point if it showed him having trouble cutting up a building, then we would know kind of where his limits are, but we have no idea what his limit is, so your point is fallacy.

yeh right, a few assumptions, thats exactley where the whole thing falls short, assuming a bunch of rubbish could easily make this forum bereft of any rules when people are constantly going to assume nonsense which is illogical, like Sephiroth being more durable than Omega weapon, or Sephiroth being faster than Omega Weiss just because he is stated above them in a hyperbolic statement.

Originally posted by k1Lla441
I seriously doubt that... and thats irrelevant anyways. The point was if seph only showed a "small" fraction of his power, then how is he supposed to be his strongest in ac? He must not be good in the ff games if hes strongest in ac...

The angel machine turned around, for about 1/3 of a second, and then lunged. Your telling me that is a horrible speed feat when he jumped about like 30 feet in a third of a second? Your avoiding the rest of what i said, i never said him shooting his sword was a speed feat. I was trying to say that dante shooting the end of his sword, stacking bullet on top of bullet, while dodging the saviors punch, in mid air is a good gunman feat. Dodging his shots are going to be harder than dodging an average gunmans shot. I never said that was a "speed" feat, i said it was a gunslinger feat, so stop putting words in my mouth. And again, what about the rest of his speed feats? seems like your picking at 2 of the littlest speed feats dante has.

Means he has good aim, but the sword was still. Sephiroth moves extremely fast.

I'm simply commenting on the videos you posted as "speed feats" I don't understand why or what you're complaining about.

BT is right, if he has enough power he can. And thats not the point anyways, he doenst need to use it all the time. He only needs to use it when you claim Seph is going to "teleport" far in the air. Thats the only real time hes gonna need to use it.

Now your jsut assuming stuff, if he only showed a fraction of his power, then thats all we can use for the fight. The "he wasnt trying" or the "he was onscreen for only 10 minutes" are just excuses that mean nothing. for his feats we have to take the most hes shown, and by your rational he hardly shows any of his powers, so until he does this is how strong he is.

It's fact that he didn't exert himself, it was directly stated in the UOG.

Its not excuses, its FACTS.

All you keep saying is "in his weakest form" like your getting anything out of me. Like i said before, nobody cares and its irrelevant that seph hasnt used all his strength. The best strength feat that seph has shown and the best speed feat seph has shown are not good enough to beat dantes feats. It may not have been his "limits" but since thats the strongest or fastest hes shown its all we can take.

We're debating ACTUAL Sephiroth here, not Sephiroth induced with CIS.

Comparable, yes, but not faster.

From what we have seen of him its not as good as dante, so like ive been saying all this time, we have to take his greatest durability feat and use that, which isnt that great.

Seriously? first time ive heard that 😕

Your right on most of that, but you dont really get to choose between feats and "assumptions". Feats are feats, as in proven acts that show the character can do something. If you cant prove, then its not true. Yea, sometimes everyone must assume, but not so far as to assume somone is stronger than someone else because they havent shown there "full strength". Seph hasnt shown his full strenght, but maybe one day when he does then he will be stronger than dante. But until then, hes not. [/B]

Where did I assume? I assumed nothing. Everything i've stated is pure logic and common sense, It's like saying who's faster Loz or Sephiroth, well Loz has shown a better speed feat then Sephiroth who didn't even use any powers, but the fact is, Loz' power comes from Sephiroth he's only a fraction of Sephiroths power, Sephiroth created him, so logically Sephiroth at full power is much faster then Loz.

Even not showing his powers, by feats, abilities, and statements, Sephiroth wins this fight.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
[B]Well basically Omega Weapon was doing what Sephiroth was doing and more in a day, where-as it took Sephiroth three years.

Sephiroth was spreading the Negative Lifestream in death, to infect the Lifestream, which was going to be used to kill all the life on the planet, and then using the NL Seph was going to control the planet, and basically use it as a space ship to destroy and absorb other planet's lives.

Omega Weapon was released from its slumber, and its actual job was to kill all the inhabitants of the planet by simply absorbing the Lifestream in its entirety, then Omega Weapon was going to fly it to other planets and use the absorbed Lifestream to start over fresh on a new planet and recreate life. It didn't need to use the planet as a space ship, nor did it need to slowly infect the Lifestream. It was capable of doing this within a day.

Also, although Sephiroth is far more powerful than Cloud, he CAN be killed by him. Cloud was a helpless bystander when a WEAKENED Omega Weapon flew into the air to begin it absorption, until it was destroyed in one attack by Vincent who was amped by Chaos, one of the Weapons(and doing so also destroyed Chaos), and this is actually after Vincent had already weakened it by attacking it from the inside. Omnislash V. 5 would never have killed Omega Weapon like it did Sephiroth, Omega Weapon was near invulnerable on the outside.

I compare them like this. Sephiroth is a powerful, skilled, fast, and strong humanoid swordsman, whose influence can eventually ravage a planet.

Omega Weapon is on a semi-cosmic level, it is not as flashy, and does not fight much, it is just clearly more powerful by feats. Its like comparing Superman to Galactus.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Huh? No he reached a new height in power in AC. Thats his most powerful form, but he didn't use any powers or even exert himself in the fight.

Originally posted by Terryc250
he turned around for a second, and Dante could've moved right then and there, and the angel machine slashed at nothing, Dante had a couple seconds to jump or move out of the way, its hardly a great speed feat, its decent but not great.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Means he has good aim, but the sword was still. Sephiroth moves extremely fast.

Originally posted by Terryc250
I'm simply commenting on the videos you posted as "speed feats" I don't understand why or what you're complaining about.

Originally posted by Terryc250
And he'll be stuck in his tracks with TK, Dante can't escape for that.

Originally posted by Terryc250
No, i don't assume, this is fact. Sephiroth didn't use any of his powers, thats fact, did you see him use any? No.

It's fact that he didn't exert himself, it was directly stated in the UOG.

Its not excuses, its FACTS.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Because it is his weakest form? CC Sephiroth was when he was still a human and just had Jenova infused in his body, AC Sephiroth is the entire Jenova entity itself.We're debating ACTUAL Sephiroth here, not Sephiroth induced with CIS.

Originally posted by Terryc250
But Loz is only a fraction of Sephiroth power, and he's already pretty much faster then Dante.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Umm we've seen no durability from AC Sephiroth, his duability is unknown, Omnislash would kill Dante just as it killed Sephiroth.

2. prove it. Dante is much faster than cloud.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Jenova doesn't sweat, bleed, or even need oxygen.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Where did I assume? I assumed nothing. Everything i've stated is pure logic and common sense, It's like saying who's faster Loz or Sephiroth, well Loz has shown a better speed feat then Sephiroth who didn't even use any powers, but the fact is, Loz' power comes from Sephiroth he's only a fraction of Sephiroths power, Sephiroth created him, so logically Sephiroth at full power is much faster then Loz.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Even not showing his powers, by feats, abilities, and statements, Sephiroth wins this fight.

Originally posted by Terryc250
He has regeneration, which is a form of durability.

Then open your eyes, Sephiroth is there just as much as Zack is there, its the battle in the reactor.

Sephiroth is above all/the strongest/most powerful character. Which means the other characters are inferior to him. Just being shown doesn't mean he is. We've seen Chaos exert most of his powers and go all out, we haven't seen even remotely close to that of Sephiroth, so only your hatred of Sephiroth is making you spout that nonsense.

Right here is a good example of feats vs fact, you can claim Chaos has shown to be faster, more powerful,etc but we haven't seen close to the limits of Sephiroth, so sure Chaos has shown more, but does that mean he is? No it does not. Proof is by the creators words themselves.

Omega WEAPON can kill everything on the planet, take the lifestream, leave the planet as a wasteland, fly to another planet. Sephiroth can kill everyone on the planet as well, control the lifestream, and use the planet as a vessel to raid other planets.

What non-existant feats? All the feats ive said about Sephiroth, are FACT.

Who is more powerful? By the creators words, Sephiroth is.

How is it illogical? And how does it fall short? You aren't giving me any reason here.

Sephiroth lost to a PIS Omnislash so that fight shouldnt even be mentioned.

No, the sphere formed when they clashed swords. There was no sphere while they were swinging at eachother.

Almost anyone in the high tier characters of FF7 can stop/deflect/dodge bullets with ease.

Then it wouldn't even be a fight because Cloud would've stopped Kadaj from becoming Sephiroth in the first place, it simply wouldve been Cloud beating Kadaj.

No, it took him years to be revived, once Sephiroth was revived he could've killed everyone on the planet quite fast with the NL.

Low level debator? Come on BT, be realistic, you've embarassed yourself over and over again with your Kain junk, you have no room to talk.

LT isn't omnipotent, TOAA is, Pre-retcon Beyonder was sort of omnipotent, Thanos /w the HOTI sort of was, LT is not.

Wow, get your definitions right BT

Durability: able to resist wear, decay, etc., well; lasting; enduring

Regeneration helps resist wear, decay, and all that, therefore it helps a person Durability.

I dont even know what the hell "surviability" is and "endurance" is like fatigue.

Its not hyperbole, its stated THREE times, if it was just stated once, and you had some reason or evidence to back it up, then you would have a point.

Sephiroth hasn't even flexed his powers, you would have a point if it showed him having trouble cutting up a building, then we would know kind of where his limits are, but we have no idea what his limit is, so your point is fallacy.

What assumptions? Who said Sephiroth is more duable than Omega WEapon? Or anything like that? Sephiroth can very well be faster then Weiss, he's already shown a travelling distance faster then Weiss.

nah, nobody esle agrees with you and its illogical, its a form of endurance so ill just leave it at that and let you continue your delusions to try and fanwank the guy...

you open your eyes, the Sephiroth looks nothing like any other ive seen, he looks like a hologram..

no only logic, reasoning and understanding of feats make me form a credible truth rather than following hyperbole statements that are completly free of any logic. Being the most powerful character doesnt mean he can beat all the rest, meteor alone is technically more powerful and Sephiroth summoned it is that not right? so he is more powerful, the fact Chaos could impale him or blast him to pieces faster than Sephiroth can do much at all doesnt hinder that fact anyway. But as I said, baseless hyperbole..

saying "weve not seen close to the limits!" doesnt win Sephiroth ANYTHING in a debate, if we were just discussing it randomly than perhaps Sephiroth may be stronger but feats are important here, and in this case, Sephiroth loses.

only according to Jaxx Omega weapon can do it faster and Sephiroths geostigma plague happened over the 3 years Sephiroth was dead....unless you can prove Sephiroth can do all this without the Geostigma and Jenova control of the lifestream (which even I know he couldnt)...

powerful? by a hyperbolic statement perhaps, but hyperbole is common franchising, not fact...

Because A>B>C is illogical due to Dante having a vast array of special abilities such as time freezing/slowing, his own teleportation, his own form of blade beam with Yamato....if you mean how is Sephiroth being above Omega illogical, then thats pretty much discussed already, if Jaxx is right about Omega being albe to do all these things WHILE being an enormous skyscraper sized obviously durable being then he is logically above Sephiroth in every way, its only a hyperbolic statement that could possibly make a diffrence.....

yes it should, Cloud was stuck to the wall because he was under PIS and didnt do Omnislash before hand.....

okie show me someone from FF spinning their swords while blocking bullets fired at them please

your the only one who has embarassed himself, ive usually defeated anyone who attempts to underrate Kain in every thread and eventually defeat them every time, or they simply flee and I get the final word in the thread....nobody can really debate against Kain since I usually have far too many facts and actual evidence, on the other hand youve got a Hyperbolic statement bereft of logic, assumptions and Sephiroth being killed by an emo kid with a big sword...

LT is omnipotent....ask anyone in comic VS, hes a level of omnipotence, he has the power TOAA gives him which is infnitly more vast as shown by proof than a being as low as Hulk....Sephiroth has no feat to show his strength or durability in comparison to something like Omega weapon.

hmm no Terry, you get your definitions..

evidence to back up hyperbole? ok lets take the massive illogical fallacy that Omega weapon who can do the same and much more than Sephiroth in apprently faster time is apprently somehow less powerful or in any way below him...the only reason Sephiroth could possibly be above any of the FF beings who have actually shown proof is something based around a plot device that wouldnt give him any leeway in a debate against a non FF character.

Your just trying to use "no limtis", in a discussion as i said before, perhaps you would be talking some sense but in a debate, saying "hes not exerted himself" could be used for most characters in games VS, its like me saying "kain has never shown his full strength so saying Pyron is stronger is fallacy!" or "Dante ha never fully exerted himself so saying he is weaker than Hulk is fallacy!"

Their examples of how your using the statement to try and say SEphiroth is faster than beings, stronger etc just because he is supposedly more powerful which is hyperbolic...furthermore, the statement itself doesnt actaully say any specifics, as I said earlier, sephiroth could still be more powerful than Chaos or Weiss even if he was as slow as a slug and as weak as an ant....as long as he could still summon meteor which is more powerful attack than either could accomplish.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
And isn't Last Order noncanon anyway?

FFVII anime OVA thing. Someone was referencing it I think. Can't really remember.

Originally posted by Burning thought
[B]nah, nobody esle agrees with you and its illogical, its a form of endurance so ill just leave it at that and let you continue your delusions to try and fanwank the guy...

you open your eyes, the Sephiroth looks nothing like any other ive seen, he looks like a hologram..

no only logic, reasoning and understanding of feats make me form a credible truth rather than following hyperbole statements that are completly free of any logic. Being the most powerful character doesnt mean he can beat all the rest, meteor alone is technically more powerful and Sephiroth summoned it is that not right? so he is more powerful, the fact Chaos could impale him or blast him to pieces faster than Sephiroth can do much at all doesnt hinder that fact anyway. But as I said, baseless hyperbole..

Keep in mind that Sephiroth could stop Chaos right in his tracks before he could do a thing as well.

As I said, you have no evidence that even ONE of those statements are hyperbole.

saying "weve not seen close to the limits!" doesnt win Sephiroth ANYTHING in a debate, if we were just discussing it randomly than perhaps Sephiroth may be stronger but feats are important here, and in this case, Sephiroth loses.

only according to Jaxx Omega weapon can do it faster and Sephiroths geostigma plague happened over the 3 years Sephiroth was dead....unless you can prove Sephiroth can do all this without the Geostigma and Jenova control of the lifestream (which even I know he couldnt)...

powerful? by a hyperbolic statement perhaps, but hyperbole is common franchising, not fact...

Because A>B>C is illogical due to Dante having a vast array of special abilities such as time freezing/slowing, his own teleportation, his own form of blade beam with Yamato....if you mean how is Sephiroth being above Omega illogical, then thats pretty much discussed already, if Jaxx is right about Omega being albe to do all these things WHILE being an enormous skyscraper sized obviously durable being then he is logically above Sephiroth in every way, its only a hyperbolic statement that could possibly make a diffrence.....

yes it should, Cloud was stuck to the wall because he was under PIS and didnt do Omnislash before hand.....

okie show me someone from FF spinning their swords while blocking bullets fired at them please

your the only one who has embarassed himself, ive usually defeated anyone who attempts to underrate Kain in every thread and eventually defeat them every time, or they simply flee and I get the final word in the thread....nobody can really debate against Kain since I usually have far too many facts and actual evidence, on the other hand youve got a Hyperbolic statement bereft of logic, assumptions and Sephiroth being killed by an emo kid with a big sword...

You are the one here that tries to underrate Sephiroth being you're a biased hater, there's statements and fats and you try to underrate him by baselessly claiming "ITS JUST HYPERBOLEE!!" when its been stated THREE times in different wordings each time.

"killed by an emo kid with a big sword" ? See that? That's you again trying to ignore all the facts that Sephiroth didn't even use any of his powers or exert himself, which is fact.

LT is omnipotent....ask anyone in comic VS, hes a level of omnipotence, he has the power TOAA gives him which is infnitly more vast as shown by proof than a being as low as Hulk....Sephiroth has no feat to show his strength or durability in comparison to something like Omega weapon.

hmm no Terry, you get your definitions..

evidence to back up hyperbole? ok lets take the massive illogical fallacy that Omega weapon who can do the same and much more than Sephiroth in apprently faster time is apprently somehow less powerful or in any way below him...the only reason Sephiroth could possibly be above any of the FF beings who have actually shown proof is something based around a plot device that wouldnt give him any leeway in a debate against a non FF character.

And with each killed Sephiroth would be getting more powerful, as his NL would be getting stronger, would Omega? No. Omega would leave the planet as useless junk floating in outer space while he flies to another planet. Sephiroth would be getting more powerful, and transforming the planet into his vessel, and go to other planets and do the same thing.

Your just trying to use "no limtis", in a discussion as i said before, perhaps you would be talking some sense but in a debate, saying "hes not exerted himself" could be used for most characters in games VS, its like me saying "kain has never shown his full strength so saying Pyron is stronger is fallacy!" or "Dante ha never fully exerted himself so saying he is weaker than Hulk is fallacy!"

Their examples of how your using the statement to try and say SEphiroth is faster than beings, stronger etc just because he is supposedly more powerful which is hyperbolic...furthermore, the statement itself doesnt actaully say any specifics, as I said earlier, sephiroth could still be more powerful than Chaos or Weiss even if he was as slow as a slug and as weak as an ant....as long as he could still summon meteor which is more powerful attack than either could accomplish.

Originally posted by Terryc250
LT isn't omnipotent. If he's omnipotent then there wouldn't be anyone above him or anyone to beat him, which there has been many many times. He serves under TOAA to judge, LT hasn't shown any strength feats over Hulk, but to state "LT has shown no strength feats so that means the Hulk much by physically stronger!" is ridiculous. You can say Hulk has shown more strength feats, yes that's correct, but you cannot make a direct statement that Hulk is infact stronger.

In Marvel, infinity has levels, as does omnipotence.

As explained by Kubik, although he is omnipotent, there are levels of omnipotence, with characters like Celestials, Galactus, and LT above him in that regard.

This notion is based on the real theory that there are levels of infinity.

However, TOAA is the be-all end-all of Marvel, he is the highest form of omnipotence.

Originally posted by k1Lla441
[B]Which is exactly why well never no how much stronger he is, so all we can take is his greatest feats so far.

the sword may have been still, but dante was dodging the saviors punch at the time, while firing multiple bullets on top of each other, and the end of the sword is a lot smaller than seph is. It may not be as pretty or it may not be that many bullets that hit seph, because he is indeed fast, but some will hit him.

Would seph even be able to use tk on dante, do to his speed? And what can seph do anyways while he has him in tk? fling him?

The first may not have been an assumption, i should have worded it better. But your using the fact that "seph didnt use any of his strength" to your advantage, which you shouldnt be. It doesnt give him anymore leverage in the fight, and as BT stated that is his personality, so him being himself doesnt mean we can start to "assume" his power is off the charts to instantly kill dante. We can only take what was proven, and so far that isnt enough to kill dante imo.

Like BT has said, seph without cis (if thats what youd like to call it) is going to change his whole personality. Him not showing all of his powers is something that he does most of the time.

From what basis? no one here has shown me any amazing feat seph has done. All i keep hearing is "hes not showing his full power". Can someboey here please make a list of his great feats? and I keep giving feats that dante has done ( with some help from gumachi) and you tend to nit pick at them and not talk about his more better feats. Im not a rock, if you show me something sephiroth has done (preferably a good feat) then my decisison may change, but no one here has said any feat from seph in a while, more like bash on all of dantes feats to me.

2:20, Tifa didn't even have time to change her face expression
YouTube video

1. Which is the exact reason why it is not as great as dantes, so we would have to take his best one, which is not that great.

2. prove it. Dante is much faster than cloud.

Omnislash is a PIS move which isn't even physical, its basically there to kill whoever it lands on. Unless Dante can protect Omnislash from slicing through his spirit a bunch of times, he would be defeated by Omnislash.

That is complete bolony. no one here has shown me any great feats from seph, so he loses there. Abilites, may come close, but he still loses to dante, because the only real ability he has that could come in handy is tk. Statements do nothing here, all youve said is the creators deamed him the strongest in ff. As in BT said, even if someone in ff could beat dante, and seph can beat everyone in ff, that still doesnt mean seph can beat dante.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Actually BT is right on this notion.

In Marvel, infinity has levels, as does omnipotence.

As explained by Kubik, although he is omnipotent, there are levels of omnipotence, with characters like Celestials, Galactus, and LT above him in that regard.

This notion is based on the real theory that there are levels of infinity.

However, TOAA is the be-all end-all of Marvel, he is the highest form of omnipotence.

But the only true omnipotent is TOAA, or Thanos when he had the HOTI, or Pre-retcon Beyonder, LT is absolutely nothing to those characters, so he cannot be regarded as truely Omnipotent/Supreme, however he can be to probably lower-cosmic level characters.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Omnipotence is all power, all knowing, and supreme. Only Lower-tirer characters like those on Marvel Earth would regard Galactus, Celestials as Omnipotent because to them they seem like god.

But the only true omnipotent is TOAA, or Thanos when he had the HOTI, or Pre-retcon Beyonder, LT is absolutely nothing to those characters, so he cannot be regarded as truely Omnipotent/Supreme, however he can be to probably lower-cosmic level characters.

They are levels of omnipotence higher.

You can't argue this, it is stated to be true, IIRC.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Everyone who agrees wolverine, deadpool, dante, or anyone with regeneration is durable, which is just about everyone on KMC forums agrees with me. You've got to be an idiot if you cannot see that in the end Durability means how much damage you can take before dying. And what does regeneration do? It lets a person take far more damage without dying.

What part of he's not a hologram don't you understand? That is Sephiroth, it's fact. Stop trying to argue facts, it makes you look really unintelligent.

It's not a hyperbole statement, thats just something you came up with without any evidence whatsoever to try to downplay Sephiroths statementS. Meteor is one of the most powerful SPELLS along with Holy, your point? Sephiroth was stated as the most powerful CHARACTER, those are two completely different things. Sephiroth is probably just as fast as Chaos, if not faster. Look at Weiss, he got extremely fast by being locked up in mako/lifestream for years, Sephiroth has been in the lifestream for far longer then that, and not even that but he's Jenova itself. Chaos could not cover that same distance Sephiroth did at that speed while Sephiroth didn't exert himself the least bit. Sephiroth could most likely even move faster then that.

Keep in mind that Sephiroth could stop Chaos right in his tracks before he could do a thing as well.

As I said, you have no evidence that even ONE of those statements are hyperbole.

Its fact, if we're debating Sephiroth at his full power, why would you debate Sephiroth not exerting himself, or trying at all? If feats are important, then Kain wouldn't win a single fight on these boards, so you're contradicting yourself.

Huh? Sephiroth wasn't alive in those 3 years, once he came alive he was spreading the NL throughout the planet, if he killed Cloud in that fight, everyone would've been killed quickly with the NL. The NL IS Sephiroth power, Geostigma and NL is what Sephiroth created and it's his power.

Any evidence that even one of them is hyperbole? No? K then stop saying that.

Dante can only teleport if he has enough devil trigger, Sephiroth teleports under his own power, and can freeze Dante still with a single thought. OW couldn't survive the NL because he is made up of the lifestream which Sephiroth can infect with j-cells. OW would be an easy kill for Sephiroth.

Cloud was stuck to a wall because he was outmatched and couldn't handle Sephiroth toying around, if Cloud did omnislash on Kadaj, then Sephiroth wouldnt' have anything to do with this. People talk about PIS in the Sephiroth vs Cloud fight.

Why do you need to spin your swords to block bullets? Cloud was knocking them away with ease in his fight against Loz and Yazoo, and Kadaj was knocking Vincents bullets away easily as well.

No, haha everyone just /facepalms. You have like no evidence whatsoever, you have 1 website that has descriptions of spells, and characters. People don't underrate Kain, they see him as he truly is, YOU overrate Kain everyone knows this, even look in my profile. I mean come on.. thats really a joke.

You are the one here that tries to underrate Sephiroth being you're a biased hater, there's statements and fats and you try to underrate him by baselessly claiming "ITS JUST HYPERBOLEE!!" when its been stated THREE times in different wordings each time.

"killed by an emo kid with a big sword" ? See that? That's you again trying to ignore all the facts that Sephiroth didn't even use any of his powers or exert himself, which is fact.

false, several people in this thread have agreed with me...so thats goes your fanwank and as I said, its illogiacal, your talking about endurance/survivability....just because his body can regenrate back doesnt mean he can actually take the wound, Wolverines adamantium skeleton is what I would call durable, because its hard to damage if not impossible by normal means, thats durability.

no it doesnt....your the one simply saying its Sephiroth and ime saying otherwise and that its a hologram, that doesnt make me look any less intelligent and you of all people should not be talking of a lack of intellect.

You cant debate against it so you say I made it up? Hyperbole is real and furthermore its shown that thats the most likely form of that statement considering the logicless nonsense behind it.

That video where Chaos and WEiss are battling, Chaos looks miles faster than Sephiroth has ever been, what game was it?

You dont seem to know what Hyperbole is, its not something that needs evidence, it requires logic, which I have, your side of the argument that the statement is infalliable fact is lacking due to the fact many beings are seeminly leeps and bounds beyond sephiroth in FF

jeezus your such a baffoon lol, Sephiroth has zero feats of him at full power and exerting himself, and since when do i use strength or speed to give Kain a win? very rarely indeed.....your using your rubbish of how hes not exerting himself to give him a win? and then you assume? what rubbish indeed

His power that were aiding him over a very long 3 year period...

Dante can only teleport with DT? wtf.....who told you that, this is untrue, he uses Trickster to teleport....hold him frozen? yeh until Dante teleports out of it, time slows and slices Sephiroths @ss into pieces.

nobody is talking about doing Omnislash on Kadaj, ime talking about when he transforms into Sephiroth, theres a huge amount of time before Cloud is stuck to the wall, he should have just done Omnislash then and there and wiped the floor with girly man, unfortunaltey, PIS steps in....

You dont "need" to, thats the thing why its impressive, if youve seen it, Vergils sword is a really thin blade, similiar to the masurmane in how thin it is and not as long, Vergil spins it and can block every bullet Dante fires, now combine that with the fact ebony and ivory can fire pretty rapidly AND as Ki1 has shown you, with high accuracy, thats far more impressive.

The only people who "used" to facepalm were those who didnt even join the debate.....all of this statement is a lie, prove it or your just yapping BS, and ive got a profile exactley the same, funny how i started doing it and then you copied, ah well nvm lol.....the best thing is....you were pwned so many times wheras half the things in your profile about me were either ancient history or you misunderstanding something because of lack of intelligence....especially where you thought i meant Kratos AS the god of war when i said GOW Kratos when GOW Kratos means the Kratos in the first God of war...but youve not played any other game other than FF so you wouldnt know...

Sephiroths powers? you mean his slow meteor spell? he has no real powers, all he could have done is probably called the Negative lifestream which would still be too slow if Cloud was not under any PIS and omnislashed right away....

Originally posted by Terryc250
LT isn't omnipotent. If he's omnipotent then there wouldn't be anyone above him or anyone to beat him, which there has been many many times. He serves under TOAA to judge, LT hasn't shown any strength feats over Hulk, but to state "LT has shown no strength feats so that means the Hulk much by physically stronger!" is ridiculous. You can say Hulk has shown more strength feats, yes that's correct, but you cannot make a direct statement that Hulk is infact stronger.

Where's the evidence Omega can do the same? The fact is, Omega CAN'T do the same, wheres the evidence Omega can do it faster then Sephiroth? This 3 years BS, is untrue. The fact that AC happens TWO years (not 3) after FF7 already discredits it. And the fact that Sephiroth was DEAD and not even doing anything. When Sephiroth was revived, and if Cloud would've died, he could've wiped out the entire planet with the NL faster then Omega going around and killing everyone.

And with each killed Sephiroth would be getting more powerful, as his NL would be getting stronger, would Omega? No. Omega would leave the planet as useless junk floating in outer space while he flies to another planet. Sephiroth would be getting more powerful, and transforming the planet into his vessel, and go to other planets and do the same thing.

I'm not trying to use no limits at all, because the fact that Sephiroth didn't exert himself, this is fact. We've never seen him even try at all in his games. Sephiroth didn't exert himself <-- fact, so to gauge that as his limit = fallacy. We know its not even close to his limits because even his remnant who is just a fraction of his power was doing even more strength feats then that. It's like how people say Zante gets his power from Ganon then use Zante for Ganons feats.

Sephiroth is more powerful, can any other being hold holy by sheer willpower? No. The statement stands correct by the creators, all THREE of them. Probably anyone can summon meteor, it's a materia. If theres a character that can defeat Sephiroth, then they could defeat Sephiroth before meteor even arrives to the planet. And Sephiroth wouldn't be stated as the most powerful character and that no one is above him. Meteor has nothing to do with that statement.

TGE answered for me, your talking rubbish that you dont have a clue about which although being extremely common, doesnt give you any slack...

oh I see, now its Omega we need evidence? yet when its coming down for evidence for sephiroth its "he hasnt shown his limitz!" ill leave that to TGE, its his point that I was using.

Its not a fallacy, its how games vs works, if he hasnt the feat then he hasnt the strength or the speed, power etc, otherwise anyone could say the same about any characters...very few characters can be said to have gone to their very limits.

willpower? none of the other characters ive seen even have TK so thats not exactley a fair statement...nor a gaugable one. Ofc it has something to do with it, and yes, Sephiroth would be still stated more powerful, most powerful doesnt mean undefeatable, power is diffrent from speed, strength etc.

About that hologram thing... Holograms are projections of light. Holograms can't fight or hurt you. Maybe it was some sort of a mirror image created through magical or other means.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
No.

They are levels of omnipotence higher.

You can't argue this, it is stated to be true, IIRC.

There is only one true omnipotent, which is the supreme being, all the rest are just close to omnipotent.

The correct definition of omnipotent is all knowing, all powerful, the supreme being, god. While LT is powerful, and all that, he isn't the true omnipotent being being he is not supreme, and can be defeated, as he has been many times. Supreme beings would be like Thanos /w HOTI or TOAA because they cannot be defeated, all powerful, supreme, and would crush LT like less then a bug.