Israeli Bombing raids, over the top?

Master General, thanks for the appreciation of my tactical brilliance 🙂

How to stop the firing missiles, you can´t even after this onslaught when the Israeli army has left they will still fire missiles, and have more volunteers to suicide bomb themselves. As this offensive will fuel the hatred even more.

A preventive way to stop the missiles is to let the cat out of the corner. The Gaza strip is like a prison camp of suffering, if they can somehow influence things so that these people have more to gain if Israel is a friend than a foe then it might change things.

The other way is to stop the missiles getting in by flattening the cowardly countries who are supplying them, letting the Palestinians suffer in their place.

Originally posted by Robtard
Or they could report on how bad the onslaught isn't, maybe? Biased much?

And they do, repeatedly and without same.

What do you mean "fear without being caught", the news by and far reports on them negatively, then there's all the fake stories. There are anti-Israel protest around the world because of this, yet you never see people gatherin the streets and protest when Israeli civilians get a rocket up the ass or a blow to bits while riding the bus.

The suicide bombers are often given promises of gifts to their families (houses etc) once they complete their mission. In an attempt to stop (some of) the bombers, Israel does destroy the properties, ergo defeating the promise/gift aspect for future would be bombers.

I've read this, not sure how true it is though.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Master General, thanks for the appreciation of my tactical brilliance 🙂

How to stop the firing missiles, you can´t even after this onslaught when the Israeli army has left they will still fire missiles, and have more volunteers to suicide bomb themselves. As this offensive will fuel the hatred even more.

A preventive way to stop the missiles is to let the cat out of the corner. The Gaza strip is like a prison camp of suffering, if they can somehow influence things so that these people have more to gain if Israel is a friend than a foe then it might change things.

The other way is to stop the missiles getting in by flattening the cowardly countries who are supplying them, letting the Palestinians suffer in their place.

Israel's offensive is far greater than before, I believe they intend to severely weaken Hamas' ability to attack Israeli citizens this time, hence the massive ground forces, unlike before. The hatred is there already, did you miss when Jaden repeatedly stated that Hamas has fired over 2k rockets in just over two years?

Again, did you just ignore what Jaden posted? Israel gave back land, what did they get in return? Hamas attacked them from that very land. Maybe if Hamas hadn't fired those 2k rockets, Israel might have been willing to negotiate more and agree to release more land?

LoL, if Israel attaked Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt or whichever country is, they'd be deemed assholes yet again.

Reading up on the history of the region, in '48 when Israel declared itself an independent nation as per the UN plan, Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt and Syria sent in forces to crush it and set up a "United State of Palestine". They lost and it's the reason Israel initially grew greater than the original UN plan. Jordan also annexed a portion of the land that was supposed to become Palestine as did Egypt in '49.

They would have been better off had they followed the UN proposal and not invaded.

I think they'd have been better off if the UN had given the Jews land in Germany like they should have instead of forcing the people out of their homes. That's like me saving somebody & then giving them your house even though you had nothing to do w/it.

Originally posted by Robtard
The suicide bombers are often given promises of gifts to their families (houses etc) once they complete their mission. In an attempt to stop (some of) the bombers, Israel does destroy the properties, ergo defeating the promise/gift aspect for future would be bombers.

I've read this, not sure how true it is though.

Germany might have been a good idea, too late now. It's not like no Jews were around and then suddenly Jews popped in and the Arabs were all moved; yes though, some people were moved/kicked off etc.

That wouldn't be the opposite, but okay.

Moving 1 person would have been 1 person too many.

Crimzon, I will just address what I think are the more important parts, if there was anything you thought was important that I ignored tell me and I'll respond to it.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
I've also done some research on this, and yes, information is limited beyond belief. Don't doubt it's true; it is. We aren't as tenacious as Hamas; we'd take any opportunity at peace, aside from extremist right-wingers. And Israel is dominated by centrists at the moment.

Exactly. The UN isn't infallible and isn't 100% right on everything. Also, it should be noted that the only country in the world that really likes us is the U.S. As large as their influence is, it doesn't compare to the amount of countries who hate us.

'Gazans' are controlled by Hamas, don't you think? I agree that our solution isn't perfect and our attack was somewhat mismanaged, but they certainly have somewhere to run to.

It's Hamas' responsibility.

Well, we've offered them expansions in territory. This far? I don't know. But they simply refuse to talk.

Robtard, you asked how Israel should take out Hamas? What they should do is that which I asked Crimson to prove they've done in the past. Offer them a fair deal.

israel/israeli government=*****.

hamas= ***** who happens to be justified{even if the actions themselves are wrong} all the time because israel is a far far bigger *****.

republicans=zionists in part, seeing to the type of cold and one sided statements they ALWAYS give in favour of israel.

palestenians = no1 gives a shit about them, after all rocket attacks from militant FACTIONS of a destroyed and tortured nation which kill 2 civilians is SO much deserving of respect and sadness as opposed to open wars and genocides which kills tens of thousands in a state which is already resembling the state in which jews were under the leadership of hitler {ironic aint it}. hmmm, if i were a palestenian, what would i do?

the western media/worl : brainwashers/brainwashed, respectively. which wudnt be such a bad thing if you were living in, lets say, a backward place like PALESTINE! but its inexcusable if your in the richest{apparently so} and strongest country in the world{which also translates loosely to other parts of the "western" world }

honestly, animals kill less than the human race. oh yea, **** relegion.

Considering the human species has a higher population than any other mammal on the planet (that I'm aware of), I feel that statement about killing is entirely justified.

In any case, thanks for your as usual utterly narrow-minded and overly generalized POW.

As if anyone cares what any of you have to say? Nice to see even with the main trolls gone arguments and insults still abound. Where are the true trolls of KMC your Captain Gay Guy, Schecter, Whirlysplat, Grand Moff Gav?

Originally posted by Bicnarok
over 800 killed so far, sad!!!

I´m amazed that this doesn´t discust people, such overwhelming over the top force.

All you hear is "oh but Hamas started it firing missiles into Israel".
Ok they did and they shouldn´t have, but no need to try and kill a fly with Ouzi is there, you tend to hit other things as well.

I'm sure that's what you would say if your mother/father/wife/child were one of the insignificant dead killed by the rockets. And I'm sure you've been through enough rocket attacks to say what the proper ratio is of lives lost from rockets versus retalitory strikes is.

What if Israel instead of lauching offensives, they just killed random Palestinian civilians (like Hamas does) each time some Israeli fell victim to a rocket, suicide bomber or what have you, what would the world say to that?

Originally posted by Robtard
What if Israel instead of lauching offensives, they just killed random Palestinian civilians (like Hamas does) each time some Israeli fell victim to a rocket, suicide bomber or what have you, what would the world say to that?

Well, that would be a proportionate response. I guess that it would be acceptable.

Originally posted by tsscls
Well, that would be a proportionate response. I guess that it would be acceptable.

Killing innocent civilians intentionally is an act of terrorism.

This is the distinction between Israel and Hamas. Hamas has made it very clear that its only goal is to kill innocent Israeli civilians and to completely destroy Israel.

If a nation fired rockets with continuity against the US, along with the expressed goal of anhiliating them, no one would blame the US for a retaliation, even if it was "disproportional" as it is in this current discussion.

Originally posted by Placidity
Killing innocent civilians intentionally is an act of terrorism.

This is the distinction between Israel and Hamas. Hamas has made it very clear that its only goal is to kill innocent Israeli civilians and to completely destroy Israel.

If a nation fired rockets with continuity against the US, along with the expressed goal of anhiliating them, no one would blame the US for a retaliation, even if it was "disproportional" as it is in this current discussion.

Yep. 🙁

Originally posted by Placidity
If a nation fired rockets with continuity against the US, along with the expressed goal of anhiliating them, no one would blame the US for a retaliation, even if it was "disproportional" as it is in this current discussion.

You can pretty much insert the name of any other nation, with the exception of Israel, of course.

Originally posted by Placidity
Killing innocent civilians intentionally is an act of terrorism.

This is the distinction between Israel and Hamas. Hamas has made it very clear that its only goal is to kill innocent Israeli civilians and to completely destroy Israel.

If a nation fired rockets with continuity against the US, along with the expressed goal of anhiliating them, no one would blame the US for a retaliation, even if it was "disproportional" as it is in this current discussion.

They happen not to have a nation state because it was not "given" to them.

That's just being picky.

They do, actually, you can argue how great/not great it is, but Gaza and the Westbank constitute as the state of Palestine, it was also given to the Arabs by the UN when the Britsh pulled out just as Israel was given to the Jews.