This of course raises the question, how far back in history is relevant?
You can always argue that "in year x the land was ours so we want it back" then the other side can say "but in the year x it was ours so we´re keeping it".
Then the real big problem of "were Gods people, God gave us this land" or similar derivations of this idea.
Maybe some alien race will come along one day and say "hey what are you cocroaches doing on our planet, which we built ages ago and left to grow, time to die."
Originally posted by Blinky
You're either blind or in denial if you don't see what two factions are really fighting here. Jews and Muslims have been fighting for thousands of years, any religious history book will tell you that. Palestine is just one more Islamic country trying to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth.
wow...
so, the only example I am going to bring up is Muslim Spain, though Dhimmitude comes to mind almost instantly as well.
The modern conflict is economic/nationalistic. Both sides appeal to history to justify their claim to statehood and violence. Neither narrative is factually true.
This also ignores the flourishing economy set up by Jewish immigrants to what is now known as Palestine, which included both Jews and Arabs working and living together in peace, with general equality (if not financial equality).
Israeli forces shelled the United Nations headquarters in the Gaza Strip on Thursday, setting fire to the compound filled with hundreds of refugees as U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon was in the region on a mission to end Israel's devastating offensive against the territory's Hamas rulers.
Now they are bombing the U.N.? To answer the question this thread was started with....YES They are going over the top. Israel doesnt even have respect for the United Nations. WOW
Originally posted by Blinky
So are you implying that Israel should wait until more of it's people are killed by Hamas (or until Hamas gets bigger guns), THEN launch a counter attack? Sounds a bit nutty to me.
OR, they cud leave gaza and the southbank the **** alone, stop putting up apartheid walls and harrasing border checks as well as stopping commute and trade/electricity etc. AND give back the property which legally belongs to palestenians and stop encroaching on mor epalestenian soil and creating more SETTLEMENTS. and allow pilgrims etc to visit the dome of the rock. simple, problem solved. ofcourse that was NEVER what all this was about, according to the old testament, all the lands of new canaan up until{ive forgotten the name, was it tigris?} a certain river were GIVEN to the israelite jews by GOD and as such are their DIVINE right, that is what israel has been trying to claim all along, it isnt about history, it isnt about protection, its about ****in RELEGION!
Originally posted by fruits
Israel has bombed UN Humaniatarian Headquarters as well as schools, and CNN reports today that they are planning on intensifying their attacks. Over the top much?
'Hamas uses UN ambulance to smuggle terrorists in Gaza'
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
You cannot assault someone, and then cry foul when it is you who gets the worse end of the stick.
True. But then what court in the land would view that it was with equal force that Man A had reacted with when he fatally stabbed man B 48 times for then slap in the face that Man B had given man A...?
(Even if Man B had slapped Man A regularly)
There has to be some sense of proportion.
I support some Israeli action, (They shouldnt have to sit there and do nothing) but for them to give the UN/the rest of the world the finger the way they have hasnt been too clever. Just plays into the hands of those who percieve the Israeli goverment as one bent on genocide.
And isnt that the case on the other side that are taught to kill non-believers/do suicide attacks too..? 72 virgins in the afterlife etc ?
Still. Its just another mechanism in a complicated clockworks..
Politics, for example, is another factor off of the top of my head...
The media would be another....
The never ending need for vengence...
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
True. But then what court in the land would view that it was with equal force that Man A had reacted with when he fatally stabbed man B 48 times for then slap in the face that Man B had given man A...?
(Even if Man B had slapped Man A regularly)There has to be some sense of proportion.
Not when they are mutual combatants.