Israeli Bombing raids, over the top?

Arguing facts are pointless. There is no "WHO is right" and "Who is wrong" Its the Human condition to fight when feeling threatened. Palestine Feels Threatened. Israel feels Threatened. Israel has done Terrible things. The PLO and Hamas have done terrible things.So We have WAR.

Americans Indians were depicted as savages because they attacked Wagon trains headed west. But What else were they supposed to do? Their land was being encroached upon. Their tactics would have been considered terrorist. What does the U.S. do when a Wagon train full of civilians are Killed? They send the CAVALRY and Kill the entire Indian Tribe.

Its they way it Was, Is ,and always shall be.

Until Humans change Their Barbaric mentality, this will continue.

actually, all israel is doing and has been doing for the last n number of decades is kill civilians. in the lebonan war 80% of the countries's entire CIVILIAN infrastructure was destroyed. and its the same now, they arent TARGETTING hamas, seeing as to them, any1 who supports hamas IS hamas!{which is the vast majority of the civilians occupants of the region, seeing as hamas won in a free and fair democratic election oversen by israel AND america- not defending hamas's actions but just saying} and thats EVERY1, they think that either they will scare the entire population so bad that people wont join hamas or support it anymore, or more practically, they would leave a wasteland where people dare not come to live. neither is working, as expected.

and to all the people who make a big deal out of the deaths due to rockect attacks. open your eyes. bad as they may be, they are VAAAAAASTLY outnumbered by the innocent deathtoll israel takes on top of other miseries it forces on the occupants of the gaza strip etc, like practically keeping them in a cage as well as beatings/arrests/rape etc etc etc. this war isnt about stopping attacks from hamas, its about hate, and dominance. defending that is inexcusable.

Originally posted by tsscls
I'm sure that's what you would say if your mother/father/wife/child were one of the insignificant dead killed by the rockets. And I'm sure you've been through enough rocket attacks to say what the proper ratio is of lives lost from rockets versus retalitory strikes is.

Originally posted by Robtard
What if Israel instead of lauching offensives, they just killed random Palestinian civilians (like Hamas does) each time some Israeli fell victim to a rocket, suicide bomber or what have you, what would the world say to that?

Isreal is just tired of constantly getting bombed and f*cked around with. As soon as Palestine gets theirs back people start bitching and forget all the f*cked-up shit Palestine has done to Israel. These two countries will continue to be at WAR until the end of the human race.

Originally posted by Blinky
Isreal is just tired of constantly getting bombed and f*cked around with. As soon as Palestine gets theirs back people start bitching.

even if that were true, you believe the murder of innocent people justifies the murder of innocent people?

Originally posted by inimalist
even if that were true, you believe the murder of innocent people justifies the murder of innocent people?

"Justifies"? Nah, but this is the world we live in... and these two factions have been at WAR since they were born. I guess people are hoping Irael and Palestine would hold hands and sing "We are the world", but with thousands of years of WAR under the Holy Lands belt that is asking for a wee-bit too much .

^only problem, its israel which is keeping people caged up like animals, denying them their rights as humans, illegally claiming land from palestine, and waging wars which kill more people by at least a factor of twenty then the rocket attacks have ever killed in israel.

Originally posted by backdoorman
Well whether or not you've lived through "enough rocket attacks" or not I think 400 dead to 4 Israelis dead (which was very roughly what the figures were before Israeli ground troops moved into Gaza) seems rather, shall we say, disproportionate.

If you mess with the bull, you get the horns.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^only problem, its israel which is keeping people caged up like animals, denying them their rights as humans, illegally claiming land from palestine, and waging wars which kill more people by at least a factor of twenty then the rocket attacks have ever killed in israel.

So are you implying that Israel should wait until more of it's people are killed by Hamas (or until Hamas gets bigger guns), THEN launch a counter attack? Sounds a bit nutty to me.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If you mess with the bull, you get the horns.

Originally posted by Blinky
So are you implying that Israel should wait until more of it's people are killed by Hamas (or until Hamas gets bigger guns), THEN launch a counter attack? Sounds a bit nutty to me.

Originally posted by backdoorman

They could try honest and fair negotiation.

Or offer to hold hands with Hamas and sing "We are the World".

Originally posted by Blinky
"Justifies"? Nah, but this is the world we live in... and these two factions have been at WAR since they were born. I guess people are hoping Irael and Palestine would hold hands and sing "We are the world", but with thousands of years of WAR under the Holy Lands belt that is asking for a wee-bit too much .

I don't remember saying that....

also, thousands of years is a little bit of a misnomer

Jews have had many struggles over thousands of years, only recently would they have been with Palestinians over the state of Israel.

Even during the return of the Jews in the late 1800s, the most orthodox were against Israel as being the place to return to. The idea that the modern Israel-Palestinian conflict reflects some thousand year cosmic conflict is a myth propogated by both sides.

Two Arab parties banned from Israeli election

Israel's central elections committee has banned two Arab parties from running in the general elections scheduled for early next month.

The surprise ban was imposed after a tempestuous meeting that nearly came to fisticuffs as Arab members of the Israeli parliament clashed with some of those Jewish members who supported the ban.

Israel's High Court will hear an appeal within nine days.

The two Arab parties would be the first parties to be banned since Rabbi Meir Kahane's Kach party in the 1980s, which advocated expelling Arabs from Israel. The ban was made at the request of several other right-wing political parties, including the National Union and Yisrael Beiteinu, on the grounds that the two Arab parties, Balad and United Arab List, did not recognise Israel as a Jewish state and supported an armed struggle against it.

Arab citizens make up about 20 per cent of Israel's population. Together, the two banned parties hold seven seats in the 120-member parliament.

The Labour Party decided at first to oppose the disqualification but then changed its position in the course of the hearing.

Also in favour of the disqualification were the representatives of the ruling Kadima party, and the centre-right Likud opposition party. The left-wing Meretz party opposed the ban.

Mr Ahmed Tibi of United Arab List lashed out in anger at the Kadima members on the committee who had supported the disqualification.

"Every vote for Kadima is a bullet to the chest of a Palestinian child in Gaza," Mr Tibi said.

Meretz MP Zehava Galon attacked the Labour Party and Kadima for supporting the disqualificationand "linking up with the radical right for populist reasons at the expense of the Arab citizens of Israel".

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/world/world/general/two-arab-parties-banned-from-israeli-election/1406451.aspx

Originally posted by Blinky
Or offer to hold hands with Hamas and sing "We are the World".

Originally posted by Robtard
They do, actually, you can argue how great/not great it is, but Gaza and the Westbank constitute as the state of Palestine, it was also given to the Arabs by the UN when the Britsh pulled out just as Israel was given to the Jews.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
oh yea, **** religion.

Originally posted by I-Drop
Ditto. More people have been killed in the name of "god" than anything else. I

Actually I believe "nationalism" has killed more people than anything else, aside from maybe sickness.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If you mess with the bull, you get the horns.

What of the report of the rebel fleet massing near Sullust?

Originally posted by I-Drop
Weren't the Arabs there b4 the British?

Yeah, and the Jews were there before the Muslims. A lot of people/cultures have come and gone in that region, Canaanites, Philestines, Phoenicians, Assyrians, Romans etc.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Actually I believe "nationalism" has killed more people than anything else, aside from maybe sickness.

ditto

Originally posted by inimalist
I don't remember saying that....

also, thousands of years is a little bit of a misnomer

Jews have had many struggles over thousands of years, only recently would they have been with Palestinians over the state of Israel.

Even during the return of the Jews in the late 1800s, the most orthodox were against Israel as being the place to return to. The idea that the modern Israel-Palestinian conflict reflects some thousand year cosmic conflict is a myth propogated by both sides.

You're either blind or in denial if you don't see what two factions are really fighting here. Jews and Muslims have been fighting for thousands of years, any religious history book will tell you that. Palestine is just one more Islamic country trying to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth.