Originally posted by Raoul
doom has access to magic that punisher doesn't have.
Not sure how thats relevant. The point is Punisher outsmarted him
Originally posted by Raoul
it's ABC logic, and outsmarting someone like lex is entirely different to outsmarting someone like doom. lex was able to make himself president. he's a master manipulator, a technological and biochemical genius, and has used and manipulated kryptonian tech.i would love to see punisher try and outsmart lex, or superman for that or superman for that matter
Now im not saying that Lex cant outsmart Punisher, but what reasosn do you give for Lex out smarting Punisher? Are you not going to tell me its because hes outsmarted Superman and other people?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
he doesent need to who in the marvel universes has armor that could even trouble superman?
Not armour, amourer ie weapons. Iron Man has weapons that are capable of beating Superman, but im not even arguing that Iron man can get a majority over Superman with prep im arguing he could get at least 2/10.
Originally posted by Galan007
Luthor actually has the means to acquire various 'things' which help him get the better of Supes. That is simply not something Punisher can boast.And if you ask me, Bizarro's weaknesses are even less exploitable than Superman's are.
Ok do you know who Punishers armourer is? Yiou dont think there are any people in the MU that could get access to stuff?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Not sure how thats relevant. The point is Punisher outsmarted him
to assume he could do the same to lex is ABC logic.
Now im not saying that Lex cant outsmart Punisher, but what reasosn do you give for Lex out smarting Punisher? Are you not going to tell me its because hes outsmarted Superman and other people?
lex outsmarts EVERYONE. even batman.
Not armour, amourer ie weapons. Iron Man has weapons that are capable of beating Superman, but im not even arguing that Iron man can get a majority over Superman with prep im arguing he could get at least 2/10.
what weapons?
Originally posted by Galan007
Luthor actually has the means to acquire various 'things' which help him get the better of Supes. That is simply not something Punisher can boast.And if you ask me, Bizarro's weaknesses are even less exploitable than Superman's are.
no, you're right.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok do you know who Punishers armourer is? Yiou dont think there are any people in the MU that could get access to stuff?
not unless they somehow travel to dc earth and steal the shit from luthor.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Iron Man has actually beaten Sentry and maybe Punisher can do better than Tony Stark can with better tech.Dr Doom gave Punisher props and hes been shown to be better tactically than Cap, so sure its not beyond the realsm of possibility.
I would say it depends on what tech he has and how much he knows about Biazzaro. Its not a forgone conclusion. The new tech hes getting could possibly give him the ability to take down people like Sentry. Now I dont think Sentry can beat Bizzaro for the majority but if he can beat Sentry its not a forgone conclusion.
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Originally posted by Battlehammer
really what happen does ironman have? pleases love to here the weapon he has the beats superman becuases ive never seen it.oh and the weapon only as fst as the man pulling it......superman could literrally speed blizt punisher all day
I explained to you already and you agreed that was the only chance. If he can modify a time machine and use it as a weapon thats a possibility
Originally posted by Raoul
to assume he could do the same to lex is ABC logic.
Please answer the question. What reasons do you give that Lex will outsmart Punisher? Not im not arguing that Lex cant do this?
Originally posted by Raoul
lex outsmarts EVERYONE. even batman.
So does Dr Doom.
Originally posted by Raoul
not unless they somehow travel to dc earth and steal the shit from luthor.
What a time machine? Also other posters have argued that Silver Surfer could actually beat Superman by manipulating the electromagnetic spectrum and that he doesnt need to travl to the Dc to use it.
Originally posted by Galan007
Moot point, really.
LOL true, I defintely dont think hes capable of it now.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
[B]Please answer the question. What reasons do you give that Lex will outsmart Punisher? Not im not arguing that Lex cant do this?
lex's track record. i said it earlier.
So does Dr Doom.
doom outsmarted batman recently?
What a time machine? Also other posters have argued that Silver Surfer could actually beat Superman by manipulating the electromagnetic spectrum and that he doesnt need to travl to the Dc to use it.
surfer has a little thing called the POWER COSMIC.
unless frank becomes the next herald of galactus, i'd seriously recommend not bringing up surfer again.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
a time machine not a weapon.................and I said weapon........
*sigh* I said Superman has been beaten by time based attacks. I said Tony Starks has built a time machine and therefore could possibly used time absed attacks. You agreed that was the only chance. Ok?
Originally posted by Raoul
lex's track record. i said it earlier.
That would include opponets hes outsmarted as well right?
iFit does you are using ABC logic. Dr Dooms track record is arguably better.
Originally posted by Raoul
doom outsmarted batman recently?
Lex outsmarted Doom recently? Im not sure if you get the point im making. You're using the exact same argument I am.
Originally posted by Raoul
surfer has a little thing called the POWER COSMIC.unless frank becomes the next herald of galactus, i'd seriously recommend not bringing up surfer again.
LOL he doesnt need to become the next herald of galactus, people can use tech to manipluate the electromagnetic spectrum. I dont know why you're being sarcastic now and acting like you made a really great point.
Hasnt Doom used his tech to actually drain the power cosmic so why cant he build tech that replicate some of its power. You missed the point i was making. Yes surfer uses the power cosmic but manipulating the electrommagnetic spectrum in itself is not arcane and something limited to weilders of the power cosmic.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
it not an attack I agreed that if ironman went into the past and kileld superman as a baby that would work however he BFR him self.........so no.
Thats not even what im talking about. There was a character that could manipulate time and attacked Superman, it ****ed him up. Its possible since Iron Man can actually build a time machine if he modifies it he can do something similar.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
also how does punisher one time out smartering dr doom make him the best taction ever now?
better than who? Punisher has outsmarted:
Doom
High Evolutinray
Captain America numerous times.