Originally posted by Phantom Zone
That would include opponets hes outsmarted as well right?
iFit does you are using ABC logic. Dr Dooms track record is arguably better.
you are using ABC logic in assuming that just because punisher outsmarted doom (can you give an issue number or some scans please), that he can outsmart everyone doom is smarter than.
Lex outsmarted Doom recently? Im not sure if you get the point im making. You're using the exact same argument I am.
no i'm not. i never said lex would outsmart doom.
LOL he doesnt need to become the next herald of galactus, people can use tech to manipluate the electromagnetic spectrum. I dont know why you're being sarcastic now and acting like you made a really great point.
they can't manipulate it on the same level the silver surfer can. maybe reed richards or doom could build a machine, but outside those two, no.
you're not making a coherent point. you're over-reaching just to try and give frank a chance.
it's not up to any of us to prove frank can't do what you're claiming. it's up to you to show that he can.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
onces whoopy...........everyone has.
so has wolverine. also you have evidences of him doing it twices?
Actually he did. First he survived the assassination attempt and then after that Doom was trying to hunt him down but Punisher found Doom instead of Doom finding him.
I like how you ignored all the other points.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Actually he did. First he survived the assassination attempt and then after that Doom was trying to hunt him down but Punisher found Doom instead of Doom finding him.I like how you ignored all the other points.
how the hell is that out smarting him? From what you described that in no way is him out smarting doom.
ignored what? the high evolutionare who made his name getting trick into taking all the mutants powers away or being tricked into giving others his powers ect. the guy not that hardest guy to out smart.
and I want to see evidences of capt being out msarted by punisher at least twices, becuases it sounds a little like bs.
Originally posted by Raoul
you are using ABC logic in assuming that just because punisher outsmarted doom (can you give an issue number or some scans please), that he can outsmart everyone doom is smarter than.
You're doing the samething. You're assuming that since Lex has beaten opponents smarter than Punisher that he can outsmart him. Theres nothing wrong with that I just dont like the double standards.
Issues are The Punisher issue 28-29
Originally posted by Raoul
no i'm not. i never said lex would outsmart doom.
You said he could outsmart Punisher and one of the reason is the people hes beaten. I am doing the same thing.
Originally posted by Raoul
they can't manipulate it on the same level the silver surfer can. maybe reed richards or doom could build a machine, but outside those two, no.
Exactly and Bp could possibly do it as well, especially since hes used tech to help him fight Mephisto.
Originally posted by Raoul
you're not making a coherent point. you're over-reaching just to try and give frank a chance.it's not up to any of us to prove frank can't do what you're claiming. it's up to you to show that he can.
Im not over reaching anything. As I stated to you before you dont even know whio this guy is. Since theres a good chance Punisher will be taking on characters like Dr Doom and Sentry you cant assume that it cant be done.
Why are you also stating that its fact that outside of those two its only Dr Doom and Reed? Didnt BP create a device to fight Mephistio, Bp also doesnt just have time machine he has time machine(s).
As I stated earlier a time based attack is not out of the question.
Im not arguing that Punisher gets the majority im agruing that depending on what tech he is he could get at least 2/10, im not arguing for a majority or even slight. To then state im over reaching is going overboard. Its not a forgone conclusion that Punisher could get this tech, its not a forgone conclusion that he couldnt.
On another note, be it consciously or subconsciously, Superman usually holds back his full strength in most of his battles. Bizarro, on the other hand, doesn't impose that type of 'restriction' on himself:
So again, this is like Superman fighting to his max, versus Punisher (none)
Sorry, but any way you cut it, this is spite.
PZ, what are you talking about? This isn't your thread for wishful thinking and fanish dreams. Frank is not Reed, Bruce, Doom, Lex, etc. And prep mean he has access to tech or resources he normally doesn't use. I haven't seen you make one valid point or shown proof of Frank taking down a Bizarro level character with his own resources. All I've seen is your pie in the sky theories about how you think Frank maybe could if he was able to or that if Frank has out witted character X that he could beat character y.
It seems that every time you post in a Punisher thread you carry on spewing fanish fantasies while trying desperately to connect enough dots to somehow find a way for Frank to win. Show proof of Frank taking down a character on Bizarro's level or stop.
The fact that you had to ask about Bizarro's power level shows me that you're either very ignorant of the character or trolling. Either way it needs to end. Thanks
Originally posted by Battlehammer
how the hell is that out smarting him? From what you described that in no way is him out smarting doom.ignored what? the high evolutionare who made his name getting trick into taking all the mutants powers away or being tricked into giving others his powers ect. the guy not that hardest guy to out smart.
and I want to see evidences of capt being out msarted by punisher at least twices, becuases it sounds a little like bs.
Look just forget it. I mean for starters you dont even udnerstand that surviving an asassination attempt and being able to hide from Doom so he can make his move isnt an example of outsmarting. Just forget it.
If you're going to be like that im not going to provide anything.
Originally posted by Badabing
PZ, what are you talking about? This isn't your thread for wishful thinking and fanish dreams. Frank is not Reed, Bruce, Doom, Lex, etc. And prep mean he has access to tech or resources he normally doesn't use. I haven't seen you make one valid point or shown proof of Frank taking down a Bizarro level character with his own resources. All I've seen is your pie in the sky theories about how you think Frank maybe could if he was able to or that if Frank has out witted character X that he could beat character y.It seems that every time you post in a Punisher thread you carry on spewing fanish fantasies while trying desperately to connect enough dots to somehow find a way for Frank to win. Show proof of Frank taking down a character on Bizarro's level or stop.
The fact that you had to ask about Bizarro's power level shows me that you're either very ignorant of the character or trolling. Either way it needs to end. Thanks
For someone who hates Thor, you sure drop the hammer a lot 😎
OK babing if this is a joke its not funny.
Originally posted by Badabing
PZ, what are you talking about? This isn't your thread for wishful thinking and fanish dreams. Frank is not Reed, Bruce, Doom, Lex, etc. And prep mean he has access to tech or resources he normally doesn't use. I haven't seen you make one valid point or shown proof of Frank taking down a Bizarro level character with his own resources. All I've seen is your pie in the sky theories about how you think Frank maybe could if he was able to or that if Frank has out witted character X that he could beat character y.It seems that every time you post in a Punisher thread you carry on spewing fanish fantasies while trying desperately to connect enough dots to somehow find a way for Frank to win. Show proof of Frank taking down a character on Bizarro's level or stop.
The fact that you had to ask about Bizarro's power level shows me that you're either very ignorant of the character or trolling. Either way it needs to end. Thanks [ /B]
No no no im not saying hes Reed or Doom. Im simply saying you dont know who his armourer and its not a forgone conclusion that he cant get the tech to beat Superman or Bizarro Superman. It depends on what he knows and what he has, nowhere am i saying its a forgone conclusion that hes capable of doing this, but since we dont know who this guy is we cant assume that he cant be done. All im trying to do is point to the direction where under the right cirumstance and righttech that he could possibly beat him, nowhere am im arguing that its definite.
Just to add, I dont think just because Punsihers outsmarted Doom that he can outsmart Lex etc. I just think its wrong to think that its a forgone conclusion that he cant.
I am not amking the point you think I am.
Originally posted by iceman24567
[B]This is spite Punisher can't win even with 18 months.
I dont think he can either. All im simply saying is if he had the right tech and knew enough he could beat him...that is all.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Look just forget it. I mean for starters you dont even udnerstand that surviving an asassination attempt and being able to hide from Doom so he can make his move isnt an example of outsmarting. Just forget it.If you're going to be like that im not going to provide anything.
out smarting some one is when you out think them, trick them. Hiding from soem one is not out smarting them.
be like what? some one who wants evdiences and doesent want to here your "I love Punisher cock crap".
oh I said it and you were all thinking it. lol
Originally posted by Battlehammer
it not out smarting any one, if that was the cases wolverine would have out smarted every one. Hiding is stealth not out smarting.out smarting some one is when you out think them, trick them. Hiding from soem one is not out smarting them.
LOL so you dont think the fact that Doom was uign his brains to find Punisher and to kill him means anything?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dont think he can either. All im simply saying is if he had the right tech and knew enough he could beat him...that is all.
Oh, so your VS thread is actually a poorly veiled statement saying "I THINK PUNISHER COULD TOTALLY BEAT BIZARRO SUPERMAN IF HE HAD THE TECHNOLOGY TO BEAT HIM"
That's great buddy.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
LOL so you dont think the fact that Doom was uign his brains to find Punisher and to kill him means anything?
just means he stealthy and has resources.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
doesent mean he out smarted him. if that was the cases wolveirne has out smarted every single military power including shield on the planet amoung many super beings.just means he stealthy and has resources.
I give up.
Originally posted by Galan007
So could Aunt May. What's your point?
Yes but Punisher has advantage that other people may not have. If it were just an issue of tech a clone of Dr Doom would not have tried to hire Punisher to kill the real Doom.
My point is that you simply dont know who the armourer is there are people within the MU who at least have a chance of beating Superman with tech and if Punisher gets acces to it I think he could possibly get 2/10.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Oh, so your VS thread is actually a poorly veiled statement saying "I THINK PUNISHER COULD TOTALLY BEAT BIZARRO SUPERMAN IF HE HAD THE TECHNOLOGY TO BEAT HIM"That's great buddy.
I said this on page 1, theres no need for the flame.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Theres no problem here. All im saying is it depends on what tech he has and what he knows about the character.....ok?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I give up.
He was able to stay hidden from doom.
so that means he out smarted doom?
how do you come to this conculsion?
all that means is he has good stealth, safe houses ect.
Wolverine stayed hidden from shield and only went on the grid when he wanted to be seen.
does that mean wolverine smarter then all of shield?
your logic is fualty.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneMy point is that anyone (literally) can beat Supes/Biz with the "right knowledge and tech."
Yes but Punisher has advantage that other people may not have. If it were just an issue of tech a clone of Dr Doom would not have tried to hire Punisher to kill the real Doom.
The thing is, there are a very slim few whom possess the resources/intelligence to actually do so. Plain and simple.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneI'll give you that, (so long as Punisher's armorer is either Doom, or Reed.)
My point is that you simply dont know who the armourer is there are people within the MU who at least have a chance of beating Superman with tech and if Punisher gets acces to it I think he could possibly get 2/10.
