Combat Speed/Reflex Contest of Top-tiers

Originally posted by Enyalus
Galen wants to see Surfer leaving afterimages while fighting...

Even though he's already been given an example once.

I want to see SS fighting fast while not having his board....

Didn't you see him dodge Hulk !!!

Or liek .. against Lunatik .. you can see ze blurz !!1

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Right, his board can move fast but SS's body can't. Supespeed movement applies to the persons own body movements. I'll give you a example, Stark can fly close to lightspeed but he can't fight at that speed....on the other hand somone like QS can run at mach 10 and also fight at that speed. You know what the big difference is, it's because QS has the movement speed while Tony doesn't....and since movement is the base of all physical motion, QS's travel/combat speed are not mutually exclusive unlike with Stark. Same applies here, SS can ultalize the speed of his board in combat but it's because of his board that he can move fast....not because of his own actual body movements.

SS was able to punch grab and throw nova ( who has lightspeed reactions) before nova even knew what happened at yet u say he cant move his limbs at superspeeds?facepalm

U compare SS to tony stark yet when has Tony stark been able to manoever around initiate and dodge multiple attacks against multiple opponents at superspeeds or in simple terms the true meaning of a speedblitz? facepalm

Why the hell is it relevant if SS uses the speed of his board or not? He has shown he can attack opponents at superspeed as well as dodge attacks at lightspeed+. Further he gets his board in this scenario so how does that not qualify as "combat speed" which is what this thread asked for?facepalm

Originally posted by Naija boy
SS was able to punch grab and throw nova ( who has lightspeed reactions) before nova even knew what happened at yet u say he cant move his limbs at superspeeds?facepalm

U compare SS to tony stark yet when has Tony stark been able to manoever around initiate and dodge multiple attacks against multiple opponents at superspeeds or in simple terms the true meaning of a speedblitz? facepalm

Why the hell is it relevant if SS uses the speed of his board or not? He has shown he can attack opponents at superspeed as well as dodge attacks at lightspeed+. Further he gets his board in this scenario so how does that not qualify as "combat speed" which is what this thread asked for?facepalm

So SS speed is attributed to his own bodliy movements or because of the aid of his board....and all SS did was use the speed of his board to travel fast alongside his enemies while shooting...something a combat craft can do to 🙂

I seriously have no time for this utterly stupid discussion. U completely ignored the nova example. further You actually want to compare SS control an manoevrability while on his board to that of a pilot in a combat craft? SS is physically aiming and directing his attacks in multiple directions , ducking, dodging, and all while moving at superspeed in multiple directions and physically directing his board and you want to compare that to a man in a fighter jet with a targetting and navigations system pressing a button and releasing a missle? You think that these two situations are the same?

Superb reasoning.👆

Originally posted by Naija boy
I seriously have no time for this utterly stupid discussion. U completely ignored the nova example. further You actually want to compare SS control an manoevrability while on his board to that of a pilot in a combat craft? SS is physically aiming and directing his attacks in multiple directions , ducking, dodging, and all while moving at superspeed in multiple directions and physically directing his board and you want to compare that to a man in a fighter jet with a targetting and navigations system pressing a button and releasing a missle? You think that these two situations are the same?

Superb reasoning.👆

So SS accomplished all of that because of his bodily movement and not because of the speed of his board...thanks just wanted to know 🙂 .

...His board is an extension of his power. It's why he can recall it so easily and reform it after it's destroyed.

It's not completely separate tech like Luthor's battle suit or Iron Man's armor.

So then he can easily move fast without it...scans?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So then he can easily move fast without it...scans?

You've seen a scan of him off his board, where he states he can move as fast as the space winds....

Guess what speeds those travel at?

Also - why are you insisting on bringing up Surfer without his board? Should I insist on seeing scans of Superman using his H2H superspeed with a broken arm?

Originally posted by Enyalus
You've seen a scan of him off his board, where he states he can move as fast as the space winds....

Guess what speeds those travel at?

Also - why are you insisting on bringing up Surfer without his board? Should I insist on seeing scans of Superman using his H2H superspeed with a broken arm?

How is that relatable, the board is SS's means of travel and the only way he can move at superspeeds...oh and Thor's been stated as having"Godlike speed"so the space winds thing isn't relevent. Oh and I think supes mentioned he could move as fast a lighting soo....

Except off his board SS stated he can move at superspeed. And you've seen the scan. So that's wrong.

And Thor's also stated he can move as fast as lightning. Okay?

...Also, my boy Gladiator should be in this thread. Shame on the thread starter.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Except off his board SS stated he can move at superspeed. And you've seen the scan. So that's wrong.

And Thor's also stated he can move as fast as lightning. Okay?

...Also, my boy Gladiator should be in this thread. Shame on the thread starter.

"your boy"

in to mohawks, are we?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Except off his board SS stated he can move at superspeed. And you've seen the scan. So that's wrong.

And Thor's also stated he can move as fast as lightning. Okay?

...Also, my boy Gladiator should be in this thread. Shame on the thread starter.

Superspeed...when has SS done this off his board. My point being is that characters can make claims to things but obvviously it may not be true...if SS is as fast as space winds he wouldn't be tagged by Drax,Carange,Panther,Thanos or thing.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Superspeed...when has SS done this off his board. My point being is that characters can make claims to things but obvviously it may not be true...if SS is as fast as space winds he wouldn't be tagged by Drax,Carange,Panther,Thanos or thing.

i really hope by panther you don't mean the mcduffie issue with the armbar.

Originally posted by skygunner41
Surfer = usain bolt

Supes = bruce lee

let's not go there...

Originally posted by The Great Galen
if SS is as fast as space winds he wouldn't be tagged by Drax,Carange,Panther,Thanos or thing.

I guess Zoom , Flash , Superman , Quicksilver are not fast either since hey have been all tagged by "slow" character multiple times.

Getting tagged is not a good way of telling if the character is fast since it happens to everyone

Originally posted by Raoul
i really hope by panther you don't mean the mcduffie issue with the armbar.

Srry that was a typo, typing to fast I don't know how that got there.

Originally posted by kgkg
So getting tag is an indication of no super speed?

I guess Zoom , Flash , Superman , Quicksilver are not fast either since hey have been all tagged by "slow" character multiple times.

Getting tagged is not a good way of telling if the character is fast since it happens to everyone

Point being, SS doesn't move or fight with superspeed though. The claim of being as fast as the space winds is irrelvent since there is now showings ro prove it...it's like Thor's claim to "Godlike speed".

SS on his board can go light speed or faster. Marvel has stated this it has been in the books. Maybe you guys can argue that the surfer is not as fast, h2h or moving without his board. This would be a more logical debate. Still I am now SS is still above human in h2h

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Point being, SS doesn't move or fight with superspeed though. The claim of being as fast as the space winds is irrelvent since there is now showings ro prove it...it's like Thor's claim to "Godlike speed".

You said

if SS is as fast as space winds he wouldn't be tagged by Drax,Carange,Panther,Thanos or thing

So you used Surfer getting tag as evidence to discard the "fast as space wind" part

Now going by that "Tagged" logic

Flash , Superman , Zoom are all SLOW

Where in comic did they say Thor has Godlike Speed? never seen it myself