Sun-dipped Superman vs Amped Silver Surfer: Pure Brawl

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Yeah he showed his perspective on it and I disagreed, basically what it comes down to is I need some visable confirmation aside from the narrative....because we all know text is not the most reliable source to go by feats. I've seen what goober and onedumb have shown and there explanation behind it, simply put I think the details are to vauge and are highly suggestable. To me, they can mean a number of things....in my case I just take them as the writer "Selling"the fight like how sports announcers do when they call matches.

In supes situation, I have visable confirmation with concrete details on his abilites...so I don't need to speculate because I already have been affiremd through the art and narrative. So IMO, I think supes could apply the speed he used when driving DS to the source wall as a offensive blitz and simply KO SS before he would have a chance to react. Others may disagree, but clearly we will never reach the same conclusion so let's just call it quits and agree to disagree.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Yeah he showed his perspective on it and I disagreed, basically what it comes down to is I need some visable confirmation aside from the narrative....because we all know text is not the most reliable source to go by feats. I've seen what goober and onedumb have shown and there explanation behind it, simply put I think the details are to vauge and are highly suggestable. To me, they can mean a number of things....in my case I just take them as the writer "Selling"the fight like how sports announcers do when they call matches.

In supes situation, I have visable confirmation with concrete details on his abilites...so I don't need to speculate because I already have been affiremd through the art and narrative. So IMO, I think supes could apply the speed he used when driving DS to the source wall as a offensive blitz and simply KO SS before he would have a chance to react. Others may disagree, but clearly we will never reach the same conclusion so let's just call it quits and agree to disagree.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Superman has nanosecond speed and recently reacted to the flashes''superluminal''speeds just fine its not like surfer is THAT far ahead of superman especially not a sundipped one,and hes going to be dying and will be enormously stronger in every area surfer has never on panel under his own power shown he could put down a superman with a massive sun amping.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Exactly, SS's stats are highly speculative while we have a exact idea of how supes will work. It's like arguing with what you know as opposed to what you think.

Ive never argued surfer doesn't have ftl combat speed but your acting like surfer could speedblitz current superman which is nothing short of bullshit.

WW has deflected objects with her bracelets going far far over lightspeed and superman has kept up in hand to hand with her numerous times,superman has atleast one nanosecond speed feat I can think of from years ago when he was slower and not super amped like he will be in this fight,not to mention he will have more then enough durability to take surfers attacks in this fight,its not like this is a stomping but superman is most def going to win a brawl.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Ive never argued surfer doesn't have ftl combat speed but your acting like surfer could speedblitz current superman which is nothing short of bullshit.

WW has deflected objects going over lightspeed and superman has kept up in hand to hand with her numerous times,superman has atleast one nanosecond speed feat I can think of from years ago when he was slower and not super amped like he will be in this fight,not to mention he will have more then enough durability to take surfers attacks in this fight,its not like this is a stomping but superman is most def going to win a brawl.

So you assume that since Wonderwoman deflected lightspeed objects once, then she must always fight at FTL speed. And since Superman has fought Wonderwoman, and Wonderwoman always fights at FTL speed, then Superman's fights are proof that Superman can fight at FTL speeds. That's idiotic from the get-go.

Superman has never thrown punches in nanoseconds (like Gladiator or Hyperion), or flexed his arms and legs in a nanosecond to break out of shackles (like Silver Surfer), or a built a machine in nanoseconds (like Mr Majestic). Ever. Superman brawls better than Surfer. Being a better brawler doesn't change how powerful Unilord Surfer is.

Standing on a board that is going really fast and moving your hands and feet really fast are two different things though.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Never said Silver Surfer could speedblitz current Superman. Ever. Never even suggested the sort.

Why not?

I assume since she deflects ftl objects on more then one occasion and that once she deflected objects that travel light year in seconds and that practically everytime her and superman meet he is shown the superior in a straight up fight and speed and the fact that he has been upgraded over the years and the fact that he is going to be getting a massive stat boost here that he can throw punches ect in nanosecond+speed sorry your the only one being idiotic about the situation here if you honestly think current superman isn't that fast.

Your welcome to show what unilord surfer actually did that would stop someone who walks through attacks from a guy who had imperiexs power,theres also the fact that I don't see in the op where we are using unilord surfer.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
I assume since she deflects ftl objects on more then one occasion and that once she deflected objects that travel light year in seconds and that practically everytime her and superman meet he is shown the superior in a straight up fight and speed and the fact that he has been upgraded over the years and the fact that he is going to be getting a massive stat boost here that he can throw punches ect in nanosecond+speed sorry your the only one being idiotic about the situation here if you honestly think current superman isn't that fast.

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Is this your version of an Anti-Life Equation? I daresay, posting this kind of inanity on the Internet might very well suck all common sense and reasoning from anybody who reads it. Welcome to the true Final Crisis, people. It started here at KMC on a Superman thread... the day stupidity won.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Your welcome to show what unilord surfer actually did that would stop someone who walks through attacks from a guy who had imperiexs power,theres also the fact that I don't see in the op where we are using unilord surfer.

Originally posted by Spire
Standing on a board that is going really fast and moving your hands and feet really fast are two different things though.

Why not?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So Wonderwoman blocks FTL objects + Superman beats up Wonderwoman in some fights - JLA stating Superman is slower X some vague reference that Superman is upgraded = Superman punches at nanosecond speeds.

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Is this your version of an Anti-Life Equation? I daresay, posting this kind of inanity on the Internet might very well suck all common sense and reasoning from anybody who reads it. Welcome to the true Final Crisis, people. It started here at KMC on a Superman thread... the day stupidity won.
Lot of people took on imperiex's power in its different forms. Also, people are pretty much agreed we are using the most powerful incarnations we've seen of both. Which means Unilord Silver Surfer. Let me guess... you didn't read the Unilord story, did you?

No one took on imperiexs actual power and lived to tell about it except for sundipped superman,ok then so if we are agreed that its unilord surfer somehow then show what he actually did because I have read it and don't remember a damn thing he did that shows hes stronger then a guy who shrugs off attacks from someone using imperiexes power.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
In some fights?superman shows his dominance in damn near every fight they have ever had,wonderwoman shows herself blocking ftl objects in several instances and even blocking objects that traverse light years in seconds but all that doesn't count just because?and your the one calling me stupid thats ****ing grand I suppose him reaching out and grabbing something while moving far far ftl doesn't count either right jesus your pathetic.

1) Silver Surfer isn't just navigating, he's weaving through blasts, busts through three or four vibranium walls and grabs Nova before the thing explodes by a signal sent the exact moment the first wall is breached:

^ (contd.)

2) Silver Surfer going half a million light years in the space of a few seconds to grab at the Infinity Gauntlet. Calculating those speeds, you're talking about millions upon millions times faster than the speed of light:

3) Grabbing and throwing post-Annihilation Nova, who before his upgrade had super-speed:

Ph33r the new Anti-Life Equation! According to it, now Silver Surfer can punch at nanosecond speedsorz!!!!!1111 fear

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
No one took on imperiexs actual power and lived to tell about it except for sundipped superman,ok then so if we are agreed that its unilord surfer somehow then show what he actually did because I have read it and don't remember a damn thing he did that shows hes stronger then a guy who shrugs off attacks from someone using imperiexes power.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Superman has never thrown punches in nanoseconds (like Gladiator or Hyperion), or flexed his arms and legs in a nanosecond to break out of shackles (like Silver Surfer), or a built a machine in nanoseconds (like Mr Majestic). Ever. Superman brawls better than Surfer. Being a better brawler doesn't change how powerful Unilord Surfer is.

he vibrated his arms fast enough to turn Cyborg Superman into pieces

he's rebuilt an entire city (not just one little machine) in moments

Originally posted by Starscream M
yes he has

he vibrated his arms fast enough to turn Cyborg Superman into pieces

he's rebuilt an entire city (not just one little machine) in moments

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Superman has got tactile kinesis. He fixed Bizarro city the same way he held up half a building using glass windows as fingergrips in Infinite Crisis #2 and fixed that one. As far as I see, the rebuilding Bizarro city scan is not PIS. Consider it this way: If you read the rest of the comic, you'll notice that everything in Bizarro world is pretty simple, architecturally speaking. Bizarro himself created it with his newfound powers. Even looking at the panel of Superman placing the globe on top, the building looks like it was designed by children with lego blocks. Therefore, with Superman's tactile kinesis and large simple pieces of debris strewn about, he could just place them back together easily. Bizarro city also appeared to be quite small compared to Metropolis, so you have an advantage of smaller scale. Tactile kinesis + simple Bizarro-designed architecture + fewer buildings = Superman rebuilding Bizarro city without PIS.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ (contd.)

2) Silver Surfer going half a million light years in the space of a few seconds to grab at the Infinity Gauntlet. Calculating those speeds, you're talking about millions upon millions times faster than the speed of light:

3) Grabbing and throwing post-Annihilation Nova, who before his upgrade had super-speed:

Ph33r the new Anti-Life Equation! According to it, now Silver Surfer can punch at nanosecond speedsorz!!!!!1111 fear
I'll act like a typical Superman fanboy and respond simply, "I don't have the time to find scans. Go look it up." 😂

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Like people said about Superman. It's not stated how fast he can go so it doesn't count. Superman has so much feats like this!!

These scan that he provided is so different then anything that superman has done that its ridiculous. Superman has common space flight on his side, surfer was actually at these distants moving this fast before thanos even had the time to move his arm for a blow.

In a Brawl Type fight<h2h> without exploitation no one is beating Superman

Originally posted by kgkg
In a Brawl Type fight<h2h> without exploitation no one is beating Superman

Except thor, brb, WWh, and possibly Sentry (not for a majority though), King Hyperion, hell I think that supreme power could get some wins, gladiator, supreme, and the list goes on.

Originally posted by carver9
These scan that he provided is so different then anything that superman has done that its ridiculous. Superman has common space flight on his side, surfer was actually at these distants moving this fast before thanos even had the time to move his arm for a blow.

Originally posted by carver9
Except thor, brb, WWh, and possibly Sentry (not for a majority though), King Hyperion, hell I think that supreme power could get some wins, gladiator, supreme, and the list goes on.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Same goes for Superman taking DS to the sun in a few second. It takes light(I think) 8 minutes. However, people keep saying if it's not stated it just not really a feat. I disagree

Like I told you before, what silver surfer did and what superman did is two different things. We actually see surfer flying at tremendous speed, at a great distance before thanos could even flex his arm. Superman is doing simple space flight that even iron man has done.

Two different scenerios.