Originally posted by carver9
Like I told you before, what silver surfer did and what superman did is two different things. We actually see surfer flying at tremendous speed, at a great distance before thanos could even flex his arm. Superman is doing simple space flight that even iron man has done.Two different scenerios.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Same for superman. That really not millions of time faster then light
I dont agree with the millions of times light either but I think that it proves that his travel speed is>>>superman. I honestly think that marvel was trying to throw it off as silver surfer being able to travel the speed of light but people are reading to much into it.
Originally posted by carver9Well that's not true. Think of it this way. If Light takes 8 minutes to reach earth, and Superman reached the Sun(in the core, so it more) in about a few second(Lets say 5) That mean he was going at least 86 times faster then light. Just saying 😕
I dont agree with the millions of times light either but I think that it proves that his travel speed is>>>superman. I honestly think that marvel was trying to throw it off as silver surfer being able to travel the speed of light but people are reading to much into it.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Well that's not true. Think of it this way. If Light takes 8 minutes to reach earth, and Superman reached the Sun(in the core, so it more) in about a few second(Lets say 5) That mean he was going at least 86 times faster then light. Just saying 😕
So do you think that iron man can also go the speed of light. Do you think that vulcan can go the speed of light. How about rogue, do you think that she can go the speed of light because the above have comparable speed feats.
Originally posted by carver9
WWH would crush superman, and wwh is stronger then superman by a huge gap. Thor would crush superman also and stop basing your judgement off of crossovers.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Please stop!!! You are way to biased. Show me one feat that puts WWH stronger then Superman. Superman has beaten Thor. It is allowed by both DC and Marvel. Deal it with. WWH is not versatile at all.
So youre telling me that superman is stronger then wwh when he strained to lift a pyramid and needed the aid of the gl's to carry it but hulk one handed a pyramid and held a planet together, threw a mountain, etc...
Originally posted by carver9
So youre telling me that superman is stronger then wwh when he strained to lift a pyramid and needed the aid of the gl's to carry it but hulk one handed a pyramid and held a planet together, threw a mountain, etc...
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Held a Pyramid. Wow, GL was there to gold the pyramid from collapse into millions of pieces. HAHAHA I can't believe you are trying to low ball to win an argument.
Put up the scan where superman is lifting the pyramid and lets look together and see if he strained, I'll be waiting.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'll call it quits, but I'm not agreeing to disagree with you. I just think you're completely and utterly wrong and since you don't give me anymore ammo to shoot yourself in the foot, I'll stop.
Superman has no nanosecond combat speed feats. Silver Surfer, Wonderwoman, Nova have all reacted to superluminal speeds as well. Seeing something that is FTL does not equate being able to punch and parry at FTL. Funny how Superman proponents forget that when looking at Superman's feats, but never fail to pull that card when Silver Surfer feats are brought out. Superman can travel FTL and can think at nanosecond speeds, but he's never actually done something combat-related in a nanosecond. Ever.
Your "exact idea of how supes will work" has been pretty much wrong from the get-go. So it's not surprising that you, and pretty much only you, can't grasp a simple idea of how Silver Surfer works.
I don't see how narrative hybperbole with NO ON-PANEL varification can cause you to reach that conclusion. I've seen you post scan after scan of hardly anything that is combat related or any true indication of speed, because you don't post scans of SS moving like supes agaisnt a opponent....you post scans of suggestive text claiming so and so with no affirmation from the action happening on-panel.
Supes has been stated as having MOVEMENT comparable to wally, he's shown capable thanks to his MA of applying this speed on battle. He's easily one of the fastest moving brawlers you can find in comics with significant ON-PANEL depictions of speed.....SS has virtually no verified combat related speed feats that are even remotly comparable or as impressive. Yet you wanna make a leap in judgment and assume based on some convuluted premise that he can keep pace and even react to Clark lol.....what basis are you forming this from.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
I don't see how narrative hybperbole with NO ON-PANEL varification can cause you to reach that conclusion. I've seen you post scan after scan of hardly anything that is combat related or any true indication of speed, because you don't post scans of SS moving like supes agaisnt a opponent....you post scans of suggestive text claiming so and so with no affirmation from the action happening on-panel.Supes has been stated as having MOVEMENT comparable to wally, he's shown capable thanks to his MA of applying this speed on battle. He's easily one of the fastest moving brawlers you can find in comics with significant ON-PANEL depictions of speed.....SS has virtually no verified combat related speed feats that are even remotly comparable or as impressive. Yet you wanna make a leap in judgment and assume based on some convuluted premise that he can keep pace and even react to Clark lol.....what basis are you forming this from.
Galan, your post is pointless. Nova has done after images, shown numerous of combat related things that superman along with other dc related beings has done. He has flown light years in minutes, etc... but when he faced surfer, none of that mattered, he still got blitzed and his speed was pale compared to surfers. Same with superman, superman has some nice combat speed feats but he'll feel that same blitz that noval felt when he thought that he got hit by a blast.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ (contd.)2) Silver Surfer going half a million light years in the space of a few seconds to grab at the Infinity Gauntlet. Calculating those speeds, you're talking about millions upon millions times faster than the speed of light:
3) Grabbing and throwing post-Annihilation Nova, who before his upgrade had super-speed:
Ph33r the new Anti-Life Equation! According to it, now Silver Surfer can punch at nanosecond speedsorz!!!!!1111 fear
I'll act like a typical Superman fanboy and respond simply, "I don't have the time to find scans. Go look it up." 😂
Srry to break it to you but these scans do not show anything remotly impressive in regards to combat, why are you taking random examples of travelling and reflex that are not within the conext of a fight and applying them into a battle. You wanna dismiss supes bulding a city because of it's simple construction then fine, personally I find everything u just posted rather irrelevent to the issue where dealing with....which is COMBAT SPEED.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Except he's faster,physically stronger, better MA and about as durable in a match that is purly a brawl.
Superman isnt as great of a martial artist that you make him of to be, hes a average fighter. Physically stronger then surfer, thats even debatable since surfer never took the time to actually LIFT something. We do know one thing though, every time surfer is arm bared with someone, some of the strongest beings in mu, it ends in a stalemate.
Faster, combat speed wise, I agree, faster then surfer period, hell no, surfer has him by a huge margin, a very huge margin when it comes to speed.
Durability, hell no, lets put it like this, surfer is as durable as the juggernaut and if general zod punched surfer he wouldnt get his jaw broken like superman did.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Srry to break it to you but these scans do not show anything remotly impressive in regards to combat, why are you taking random examples of travelling and reflex that are not within the conext of a fight and applying them into a battle. You wanna dismiss supes bulding a city because of it's simple construction then fine, personally I find everything u just posted rather irrelevent to the issue where dealing with....which is COMBAT SPEED.
It doesnt have to show combat speed, it shows that surfer blitz the hell out someone who HAS combat speed, who has dc style combat speed.
Originally posted by carver9
Galan, your post is pointless. Nova has done after images, shown numerous of combat related things that superman along with other dc related beings has done. He has flown light years in minutes, etc... but when he faced surfer, none of that mattered, he still got blitzed and his speed was pale compared to surfers. Same with superman, superman has some nice combat speed feats but he'll feel that same blitz that noval felt when he thought that he got hit by a blast.
are nova showing multiple punch with heat vision + cold breath + punch + kick at the same time in one panel and supes moves and fight so fast that there multiple after image in same panel?
Originally posted by carver9
Galan, your post is pointless. Nova has done after images, shown numerous of combat related things that superman along with other dc related beings has done. He has flown light years in minutes, etc... but when he faced surfer, none of that mattered, he still got blitzed and his speed was pale compared to surfers. Same with superman, superman has some nice combat speed feats but he'll feel that same blitz that noval felt when he thought that he got hit by a blast.
lol, based on what exactly.When SS fought runner it didn't seem to go so well for him...and how did SS do a blitz. Supes has faster movement then Nova and SS, in every confrontation SS has had agaisnt opponents I've never seem him go super sonic when moving agaisnt his foes....SS gets WTFPWN'ed blitz.
Originally posted by skygunner41
are nova showing multiple punch with heat vision + cold breath + punch + kick at the same time in one panel and supes moves and fight so fast that there multiple after image in same panel?
Does nova have those ability and yes, he did something very similar to those affects.
Originally posted by carver9
Superman isnt as great of a martial artist that you make him of to be, hes a average fighter. Physically stronger then surfer, thats even debatable since surfer never took the time to actually LIFT something. We do know one thing though, every time surfer is arm bared with someone, some of the strongest beings in mu, it ends in a stalemate.Faster, combat speed wise, I agree, faster then surfer period, hell no, surfer has him by a huge margin, a very huge margin when it comes to speed.
Durability, hell no, lets put it like this, surfer is as durable as the juggernaut and if general zod punched surfer he wouldnt get his jaw broken like superman did.
lol, right he just gets KO'ed by thing and Thanos. Average fighter...dude the guy has applied preasure points and even commented on how he can move at lighting...he isn't the one who can't defend agaisnt a armbar.
