Guys, this may not sound fair. But SS is not as well read as Superman. Heck, I've read a lot of his stuff and still don't know half as much as I should. Maybe some scans showing his attributes regarding speed, durability, etc would keep this thread out of the reports.
Personally, I have no problem with assumptions. He is/was a herald of Galactus. But I guess that's not enough for some posters.
^ bada, dude... the irony is not good bro.
if a poster is unaware of the character they're debating against (his name starts with a "THE"😉, that's on him. he has to do his homework since almost an entire respect thread's worth of feats have been layed out by several posters but .... still more trolling.
uni-lord ending surfer is being overlooked more so than sun-dipped superman.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0it does matter a bit, and you're right that I didn't unfortunately set a time limit
Don't think it really matters since that is apparently how they start out at the beginning of this fight, per your rules of the fight.
but as you're aware, if Superman stays inside the sun for 20,000 years, he becomes the Golden Superman Prime...who would undoubtably destroy Surfer with a blink
so it does matter to know how long it would take Surfer to amp to Unilord levels
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
1. Supes has his speed depicted by what? Show the scan. Scratching with narrative? This narrative that clearly states how fast Gladiator and Hyperion are punching and parrying? Show me a SINGLE COMBAT SPEED FEAT SCAN by Superman that comes close to this:http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/4214/gladiatorvshyperion049nv.jpg
You never proved Superman was fastest next to Wally. In fact, that is just a plain wrong statement. Considering that JLA writers have on-panel already unequivocably decided that Wonderwoman has better combat speed that Superman, it's become obvious that you ignore anything that undermines Superman. Silver Surfer has searched the entirety of Earth in a single sentence. Silver Surfer has also raced across Earth destroying cities and armies across a few panels. Silver Surfer only has to apply his energy output offensively like he has in the past and Supes is game over.
2. The above scan is not debateable. When people describe their own speed, that can be debateable, like Silver Surfer and Darkseid describing their own predicaments here. So are both statements by the characters reliable or not? Answer yes or no. You already seem to make up your mind about narrative descriptions, are you now saying that Darkseid's best on-panel combat superspeed feat is mere poetic hyperbole? SAY YES OR NO, DON'T DODGE THE QUESTION:
http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=marvelcomicspresents001ph0.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_162.jpg
Visual reference of superspeed, as in speedlines? Spiderman has more speed lines than Superman ever will. Speedlines mean nothing unless you can measure it against something like an electromagnetic signal moving at the speed of light or unless the actual narration of the writer of the comic says so. Visual blurs of characters indicating extreme agility/superspeed? Same again, Spiderman has more visual blurs of characters than anyone. Silver Surfer has reacted to superfast opponents, you ignoring them with your blatant trolling doesn't change that.
1. Yawn, yeah dude just plz drop it. You wanna ignore Supes being stated as being second to wally because of contradiction....yet u wanna perfectly accept some narrative hyperbole of gladiator and hyperion fighting at...what speeds again lol. I don't ignore anything that udnermines supes, i just go by what the comics say...and unfortunatly for u Im not going to take examples of SS travelling fast to indicate he can apply this into batle. On-panel visualization is what matters, because how can we trust the context of text. Some situations are clear cut, but without a visual referrence how can we know what's blowing up our ass and what's fact. So here I'll break it down for you so you can understand:
SS speed is determined by his board, and while he can travel fast with the aid of his board, he cannot apply this speed offensivly or defensivly during combat. He doesn't have fast movement hence why is a fish out of water without his board.
Supes speed is a attribute of his movement, movement is motion which becomes action. His bodily movement directly relate to the function of travel/combat/construction/reflexes and any other physically specific activity. That's why they were very specific to mention"movement"when referencing how he compares to wally, add that to his impressive MA and SS gets WTFPWN blitz like how he did agaisnt Runner.
Originally posted by psycho gundamNot knowing every detail isn't trolling. As I said, it doesn't sound fair. If you have scans or links it will be appreciated. I may even take people off my double secret dur list. biscuits
^ bada, dude... the irony is not good bro.if a poster is unaware of the character they're debating against (his name starts with a "THE"😉, that's on him. he has to do his homework since almost an entire respect thread's worth of feats have been layed out by several posters but .... still more trolling.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ bada, dude... the irony is not good bro.if a poster is unaware of the character they're debating against (his name starts with a "THE"😉, that's on him. he has to do his homework since almost an entire respect thread's worth of feats have been layed out by several posters but .... still more trolling.
uni-lord ending surfer is being overlooked more so than sun-dipped superman.
Not really, just think uni-lord was personally overrated. I also resent how SS who doesn't fight fast can suddenly be attributed with something he has never shown lol. Although taking narrative hyperbole seriously, supes can rock the solar system, throw a punch with infinite energy, move earth and has HV hotter then pits od hades.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
you're too far gone to be reasoned with apparently.since it's a personal matter for you, maybe not reiterating your disregard of surfer is best for the vs thread.
Meh don't matter either way, just don't like when folks lie. Liking a comic and a character is one thing, but why lie about something that obviously isn't true 😕
Originally posted by Badabing
Not knowing every detail isn't trolling. As I said, it doesn't sound fair. If you have scans or links it will be appreciated. I may even take people off my double secret dur list. biscuits
Well it isn't just about scans, it's about presenting them without some personal bias in it...well anwyays I dunno really care anymore I'll let people make up whatever claims they want.
Originally posted by The Great GalenWhen was Supers combat speed stated to be second to none except Flash? Because I guarantee you that Wonderwoman being stated to have faster combat superspeed is much more current than that. And you trying to undermine the Gladiator Hyperion scan is beyond belief. Do you know how fast light travels in a single nanosecond? 1 foot. Only a single foot. If you throw punches and parry punches in the space of nanoseconds, than light has only travelled a few feet. So you tell me, after I laid it out in kindergarten language, whether or not Gladiator and Hyperion are fighting at fast-as-light or FTL speeds. Show me a single scan where Superman has anything near that. If you REALLY go by what comics say:
1. Yawn, yeah dude just plz drop it. You wanna ignore Supes being stated as being second to wally because of contradiction....yet u wanna perfectly accept some narrative hyperbole of gladiator and hyperion fighting at...what speeds again lol. I don't ignore anything that udnermines supes, i just go by what the comics say...and unfortunatly for u Im not going to take examples of SS travelling fast to indicate he can apply this into batle. On-panel visualization is what matters, because how can we trust the context of text. Some situations are clear cut, but without a visual referrence how can we know what's blowing up our ass and what's fact. So here I'll break it down for you so you can understand:
Wonderwoman is faster. Also... when you cross-reference that with this scan where you compare Flash and Wonderwoman:
Yeah. Superman having the second-best combat-speed next to Flash? No thanks. Doesn't even make sense when you have characters like Zoom... stop fooling yourself.
Originally posted by The Great GalenSome of Silver Surfer's best combat speed feats do not even involve his board. Despite the fact that this thread doesn't even take Surfer's board away from him, these following feats which have been posted before do not involve him flying around on his board:
SS speed is determined by his board, and while he can travel fast with the aid of his board, he cannot apply this speed offensivly or defensivly during combat. He doesn't have fast movement hence why is a fish out of water without his board.Supes speed is a attribute of his movement, movement is motion which becomes action. His bodily movement directly relate to the function of travel/combat/construction/reflexes and any other physically specific activity. That's why they were very specific to mention"movement"when referencing how he compares to wally, add that to his impressive MA and SS gets WTFPWN blitz like how he did agaisnt Runner.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0By the way, you completely dodged my question. So I'll just assume that because you don't take narratives by characters themselves as reliable evidence of their actual combat superspeed, then you consider Darkseid's best combat superspeed feat to be pure poetic hyperbole. Good to know. Poor dodge.
Seriously. Is there a conception that Surfer has zero combat speed or reflexes? Seconds, milliseconds, microseconds, nanoseconds. Light moves only one foot within a single nanosecond. Surfer's got the near light-speed or FTL combat/reflex feats. Superman doesn't.[b]1)
Can Superman fly around at blinding speeds and take potshots at Surfer? Sure. Could Surfer deal with it? When he can actually track a guy using instantaneous teleportation doing the same thing, spin around physically and take them out with a cosmic blast, yeah... I'd say he could deal with it. Is Superman faster than instantaneous teleportation? Flash is, doubt Superman is:...
7) Within a single nanosecond. Silver Surfer flexing his entire body within a nanosecond cannot be anything else other than a FTL combat reflex since he is stationary and not travelling:
Superman's got great combat speed. He doesn't have FTL combat speed, nowhere near it. Superman ought to be able to surprise Surfer with his combat speed, but Surfer's FTL combat reflexes are easily up to task. Finally, do Superman's combat reflexes help him avoid Kalibak, Batman, Plasmus, Darkseid or even Manchester Black? Nuff said. [/B]
Originally posted by Starscream M"Unfortunately?" Guess I know which side you're advocating for. This thread that you started asked for when current Superman and current Silver Surfer when amped to their peak levels as seen on-panel. For Superman, that's OWAW levels. For Surfer, that's Unilord levels. Golden Superman Prime is an alternate universe. What exactly are you trying to get at here?
it does matter a bit, and you're right that I didn't unfortunately set a time limitbut as you're aware, if Superman stays inside the sun for 20,000 years, he becomes the Golden Superman Prime...who would undoubtably destroy Surfer with a blink
so it does matter to know how long it would take Surfer to amp to Unilord levels
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I'm not advocating for any sides.
"Unfortunately?" Guess I know which side you're advocating for. This thread that you started asked for when current Superman and current Silver Surfer when amped to their peak levels as seen on-panel. For Superman, that's OWAW levels. For Surfer, that's Unilord levels. Golden Superman Prime is an alternate universe. What exactly are you trying to get at here?
you still haven't answered my question: how long does it take Surfer to amp to Unilord level?
The problem with the thread is that it stipulates that Superman and Silver Surfer are able to amp themselves to their absolute peak levels.
Silver Surfer may or may not have limits regarding cosmic energy. Who knows.
Superman on the other hand, shown time and again, doesn't HAVE a limit when he's being charged by the sun.
OWAW Superman isn't his peak. He only sundipped for a short while.
In later comics, it was shown that Sun-dipped Superman is far more powerful.
Originally posted by Draco69It's their peak as shown in comics.
The problem with the thread is that it stipulates that Superman and Silver Surfer are able to amp themselves to their absolute peak levels.Silver Surfer may or may not have limits regarding cosmic energy. Who knows.
Superman on the other hand, shown time and again, doesn't HAVE a limit when he's being charged by the sun.
OWAW Superman isn't his peak. He only sundipped for a short while.
In later comics, it was shown that Sun-dipped Superman is far more powerful.
Originally posted by Draco69Superman nearly went insane dipping in the sun for the few minutes he was there, had he stayed longer, he probably would have lost his mind.
The problem with the thread is that it stipulates that Superman and Silver Surfer are able to amp themselves to their absolute peak levels.Silver Surfer may or may not have limits regarding cosmic energy. Who knows.
Superman on the other hand, shown time and again, doesn't HAVE a limit when he's being charged by the sun.
OWAW Superman isn't his peak. He only sundipped for a short while.
In later comics, it was shown that Sun-dipped Superman is far more powerful.
And what later comics are you talking about? Almost everyone agrees that OWAW Superman is the strongest we've seen him. You're not considering Loeb Superman to be stronger are you?
