Originally posted by Starscream MDraco69 was implying that Superman, dipping for even longer, would be even more powerful, and thus OWAW-levels was not his peak. I said what I said, because Superman dipping for even longer would be tremendously dangerous for Superman, as was clearly evident since he nearly lost his mind when he dipped in Our Worlds At War for the few minutes that he did.
he nearly went insane in the first few minutes, but towards the end he actually reached a zen level of clarity
When was Supers combat speed stated to be second to none except Flash? Because I guarantee you that Wonderwoman being stated to have faster combat superspeed is much more current than that. And you trying to undermine the Gladiator Hyperion scan is beyond belief. Do you know how fast light travels in a single nanosecond? 1 foot. Only a single foot. If you throw punches and parry punches in the space of nanoseconds, than light has only travelled a few feet. So you tell me, after I laid it out in kindergarten language, whether or not Gladiator and Hyperion are fighting at fast-as-light or FTL speeds. Show me a single scan where Superman has anything near that. If you REALLY go by what comics say:
You wanna indulge in narrative hyberole, go ahead...I'm not going to explain why someone shown performing something is different then someone claiming someone can do something lol.
Wonderwoman is faster. Also... when you cross-reference that with this scan where you compare Flash and Wonderwoman:
Yeah I'm aware of that scan, funny thing is by sheer feats supes has a much better claim to that then Diana...nothing really contradicts the statment of supes being the second fastest next to Wally. Consider how fast he travels,how he can move in battle....plus it came from a writer who has a clear misunderstanding of supes(unless u wanna count the armbar thing as evidence).
Originally posted by The Great GalenNarrative hyperbole? Guess since the narrator says how fast Superman is flying... it must be narrative hyperbole, Superman never really accelerated to terminal velocity here. It was just narrative hyperbole:
You wanna indulge in narrative hyberole, go ahead...I'm not going to explain why someone shown performing something is different then someone claiming someone can do something lol.Yeah I'm aware of that scan, funny thing is by sheer feats supes has a much better claim to that then Diana...nothing really contradicts the statment of supes being the second fastest next to Wally. Consider how fast he travels,how he can move in battle....plus it came from a writer who has a clear misunderstanding of supes(unless u wanna count the armbar thing as evidence).
Comparing Wonderwoman's combat speed > Superman's combat speed is as stupid as believing Black Panther's armbar > Silver Surfer? Didn't think you could top the epic fail above... but seriously... E.P.I.C. fail...
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Some of Silver Surfer's best combat speed feats do not even involve his board. Despite the fact that this thread doesn't even take Surfer's board away from him, these following feats which have been posted before do not involve him flying around on his board:
Poor examples..just poor examples really, I don't get what ur arguing for or what ur trying to prove. Supes has speedster level movment, SS does not. You cannot take random examples of non-combat related speed and through some deranged line of reasoning, use it as a means for SS combat ability.
Supes is a expert MA, he has speedster movment and we've already seen the application of his movement speed in combat....keyword being SEEN. This is just insane, I mean you would rather take some vague text that's so highly suggestable to hyperbole with no visual confirmation as opposed to a visual reference that directly conveys said action. You wanna believe SS can track and keep pace with supes in combat inspite of nothing to confirm or verify this opinion....I mean seriously ur basing this assertion on thin air. All supes needs to do is apply this same speed he used to move to the source wall offensivly and it's all over....plz get a clue and stop posintg BS.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Narrative hyperbole? Guess since the narrator says how fast Superman is flying... it must be narrative hyperbole, Superman never really accelerated to terminal velocity here. It was just narrative hyperbole:Comparing Wonderwoman's combat speed > Superman's combat speed is as stupid as believing Black Panther's armbar > Silver Surfer? Didn't think you could top the epic fail above... but seriously... E.P.I.C. fail...
lol, dude just stop plz ur doing urself in even more.
Originally posted by The Great GalenYou can deride me all you want with your false bravado. There is no "vague text" here:
Poor examples..just poor examples really, I don't get what ur arguing for or what ur trying to prove. Supes has speedster level movment, SS does not. You cannot take random examples of non-combat related speed and through some deranged line of reasoning, use it as a means for SS combat ability.Supes is a expert MA, he has speedster movment and we've already seen the application of his movement speed in combat....keyword being SEEN. This is just insane, I mean you would rather take some vague text that's so highly suggestable to hyperbole with no visual confirmation as opposed to a visual reference that directly conveys said action. You wanna believe SS can track and keep pace with supes in combat inspite of nothing to confirm or verify this opinion....I mean seriously ur basing this assertion on thin air. All supes needs to do is apply this same speed he used to move to the source wall offensivly and it's all over....plz get a clue and stop posintg BS.
Or here:
It's pretty simple text unless you don't know what a nanosecond is. Silver Surfer can keep track of the movement of billions of stars in a few seconds, you're telling me he can't keep track of a person's superspeed movements? After all, one second = one billion nanoseconds. A few seconds = a few billion nanoseconds. Here, he's got billions and billions of stars to look at and process within a few seconds:
If you really think Silver Surfer can't see and process thigns at superspeeds or move his limbs at superspeeds, then you're simply ignorant. You're seriously embarassing yourself as you usually do in these threads.
Originally posted by The Great GalenWhat? According to your standards of scrutiny, this is pure narrative hyperbole. Superman never accelerated to terminal velocity between black holes. Never happened. Do you know why you are lol'ing? Because of how stupid that sounds. And whose logic am I using? Lol'ing now?
lol, dude just stop plz ur doing urself in even more.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You can deride me all you want with your false bravado. There is no "vague text" here:Or here:
It's pretty simple text unless you don't know what a nanosecond is. Silver Surfer can keep track of the movement of billions of stars in a few seconds, you're telling me he can't keep track of a person's superspeed movements? After all, one second = one billion nanoseconds. A few seconds = a few billion nanoseconds. Here, he's got billions and billions of stars to look at and process within a few seconds:
If you really think Silver Surfer can't see and process thigns at superspeeds or move his limbs at superspeeds, then you're simply ignorant. You're seriously embarassing yourself as you usually do in these threads.
What? According to your standards of scrutiny, this is pure narrative hyperbole. Superman never accelerated to terminal velocity between black holes. Never happened. Do you know why you are lol'ing? Because of how stupid that sounds. And whose logic am I using? Lol'ing now?
So in other words, there's nothing to suggest SS has the abiltiy to apply suerspeed in combat aside from some non-comabat related situations invovlving speed....yeah I've been through my share of SS threads so I know the defense build for him. Anyways look it's a mutable point, you've been at this for about 3 pages and u havn't really proved a thing....aside fomr how desperate u r the reaching for these supposed"combat speed"feats.
Anyhows to get back on topic, this is how I call. Supes is the faster opponent and physically stronger, SS does have the versatility but with no weakness to exploit and with the brawling stipulation...I'd say supes blitz SS much like Runnner did when SS encountered him.
Edit: Gladiator and Hyperion and SS don't have combat superspeed or movement superspeed IMO, nothing you've shown indicates this sool....
Superman has nanosecond speed and recently reacted to the flashes''superluminal''speeds just fine its not like surfer is THAT far ahead of superman especially not a sundipped one,and hes going to be dying and will be enormously stronger in every area surfer has never on panel under his own power shown he could put down a superman with a massive sun amping.
Originally posted by I'm Bran
Haven't you ignored all of the scans with his combat speed in it anyway?Because I know Darth has tried to show you it too many times.
Yeah he showed his perspective on it and I disagreed, basically what it comes down to is I need some visable confirmation aside from the narrative....because we all know text is not the most reliable source to go by feats. I've seen what goober and onedumb have shown and there explanation behind it, simply put I think the details are to vauge and are highly suggestable. To me, they can mean a number of things....in my case I just take them as the writer "Selling"the fight like how sports announcers do when they call matches.
In supes situation, I have visable confirmation with concrete details on his abilites...so I don't need to speculate because I already have been affiremd through the art and narrative. So IMO, I think supes could apply the speed he used when driving DS to the source wall as a offensive blitz and simply KO SS before he would have a chance to react. Others may disagree, but clearly we will never reach the same conclusion so let's just call it quits and agree to disagree.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Superman has nanosecond speed and recently reacted to the flashes''superluminal''speeds just fine its not like surfer is THAT far ahead of superman especially not a sundipped one,and hes going to be dying and will be enormously stronger in every area surfer has never on panel under his own power shown he could put down a superman with a massive sun amping.
Exactly, SS's stats are highly speculative while we have a exact idea of how supes will work. It's like arguing with what you know as opposed to what you think.
