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Find Your Own Fire
Originally posted by Allankles
I get tired of repeating this. Space and time being broken by the destruction of the fourth world had nothing to do with DS draggging the multiverse.The two are mutually exclusive since it is stated that DS had generated a personal singularity and that the event horizon of this singularity was folding space and time.
DS had already won the war before this began. When Miracle mentioned space and time being broken he also mentioned that DS was dragging the universe.
This is what Miracle says, "the war broke time and space" (Which could mean the concepts of time and space were affected doesn't have anything to do with dragging a multiverse)
It is merely your opinion that they have nothing to do with each other. Completely baseless. For you to prove that Darkseid collapsed the Multiverse under his own power, you have to prove that the breaking of time and space had nothing to do with the collapse (since Grant Morrison himself stated that DS' mastery of the ALE > cosmic war > breaking time and space). But you never proved that they are completely and wholly separate. You don't have a single line or panel proving that Darkseid collapses the Multiverse with his power alone and w/o the ALE. You're assuming your conclusion. Circular argument.
Common sense dictates that it's easier to drag the Multiverse after time and space are broken. But you try to suggest that dragging the Multiverse down has nothing to do with broken time and space! What?! Dragging the Multiverse into Darksed IS spacetime crumpling down! Why? BECAUSE IT SAYS SO:
No. You can't separate the two. Dragging the Multiverse into singularity = folding spacetime into Darkseid. And what started breaking the barriers of time and space? A cosmic war, precipatated by the ALE, that actually broke time and space. Please tell me this makes sense to you.
But yet you still try to run counter to that plain line of thinking and suggest he never needed the ALE to collapse the Multiverse. Let's look at it from another angle. Think about this: what's a bigger feat, killing all the New Gods when you're fresh, or collapsing the Multiverse while you're dying? Anyone can plainly see the latter is the greater feat. So if a dying Darkseid is indeed that personally powerful without any need of the ALE... then why would he need mastery of the ALE to achieve a lesser feat, while healthier, i.e. waging cosmic war with the ALE and killing all the New Gods? Don't you understand that everytime you try to explain your views, it ends up looking backwards?
Originally posted by Allankles
continues: "A fallen Devil-god is [B]dragging us down with him into a deep, dark hole in time, with no light, no hope and no escape"Which corresponds with what DS says in the same issue, that he will take everyone into a hell with no escape and then he will murder their souls. [/B]
The singularity destroys everything. And we see that actual process, where people are dying and spacetime crumbles and is being reduced to Darkseid. You act like he's gathering everyone together, allowing them to live, just so he can sing an evil kumbaya with everyone. He's taking over existence, not just murdering souls. Which makes the idea of using the ALE as a means to enslave minds utterly pointless in context. There's no point in controlling a person's mind, let alone 3 billion of them, if they're all gonna die anyway and be crushed into the singularity of the black hole. Your view strips Darkseid's actions for all seven issues of
Final Crisis of any and all reason or purpose. The only way to not strip 90% of the events of
Final Crisis of all significance is to admit that the ALE is more than just mind-control.
