OneDumbG0
Find Your Own Fire
Originally posted by comicfan11
I guess denial is your strong suit in this thread.
We clearly see the effects in the exact moment DS is reborn AFTER THE WAR and AFTER HIS FIRST REBIRTH IN BOSS DS but you just can't face the fact of how powerful Morrison portrayed DS.
That's ok since you don't get to wright the comics and I think everyone will agree that ANY WRITERS PERSONAL VIEWS>>YOUR VIEWS.
Ad hominem. Now you're accusing me of personal bias and ignoring Morrison. I've been quoting Morrison. I've been quoting multiple characters from
Final Crisis. I've been posting scans. You can accuse me all you want of being biased against Darkseid's personal power. But the amount of straw-man argumentation, misreading and blatant pretending that you've carried on throughout this argument makes it painfully clear that you can't take the idea of an all-powerful Darkseid w/o ALE being threatened.
Originally posted by comicfan11
You talk about "common sense dictates..."
Who cares about common sense?
That pretty much sums up the nature of your arguments. Ignoring the plain meaning of the words is the most basic logical fallacy there is.
Originally posted by comicfan11
THIS IS COMICS.
THE WRITER WRITES SOMETHING=WHAT HAPPENS IN THE BOOKSorry I find no more reason to respond to your posts anymore (in this thread)
See you in another one.
I know when a writer writes something=happens in the book. That's why I've been quoting Mr Miracle, Motherboxxx, Cain, Spectre, even Morrison himself. So why do you keep trying to undermine it? Why can't we trust what Mr Miracle and Motherboxxx say? Apparently:
Originally posted by comicfan11
Mister Miracle doesn't know what happened exactly because he is NOT A NEW GOD.
Weak argument. You don't even address the fact that Motherboxxx itself is an actual survivor of the war.
Why isn't Cain's and Spectre's on-panel words and actions with the ALE trustworthy? You never even addressed this. You just ignored the words they actually use, "un-make creation," "rebuild the world." You just kept mischaracterizing my argument as, "You're wrong because the Multiverse was collapsing before Spectre spoke the ALE." No kidding. You completely missed the point, like four times. At least Tricksterpriest tried to come up with this excuse:
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Spectre's unmaking of creation was TO REMOVE FREE WILL, the gift of the Presence, and the thing that defines creation itself.Anything else, like earth becoming Apokolips 2, is a reflection of that, or caused by the Spectre-force being chained by cain.
So the term "creation" actually only means "free will. " And "rebuild the world" only means "take over people's minds." How convenient. That is clearly a strenuous interpretation because you completely ignore the plain meaning of the words.
Spectre was compelled to specifically speak the Anti-Life Equation. Cain using the ALE to take over Spectre's will and commanding him to use the Spectre-force to change things is another convenient interpretation that blatantly ignores that Spectre speaks the ALE.
Finally... why can't we simply take Morrison's own words that it was Darkseid's mastery of the ALE that abruptly caused the cosmic war which broke time and space? Apparently, it's because you believe that any of my argumentation is mere twisting and based on haterade and therefore unreliable. It doesn't change what Morrison says though. For you to ignore it is hypocrisy. The war didn't start until he had mastery of the ALE. In fact, the mastery of the ALE abruptly caused the cosmic war. That cosmic war broke time and space. And somehow, we have to divorce any idea of Darkseid using the ALE in subsequent events barring simple mind-control?
Comicfan11 and others, you have abandoned so many positions and made so many excuses, it'd take too long to enumerate them all. Some of the most blatant examples being Superman made two wishes, the Multiverse breaking down has nothing to do with spacetime crumpling, dying Darkseid w/o ALE has bigger feats than healthy Darkseid w/ ALE. Your numbers alone don't justify this kind of obnoxious posturing. Weak arguments, constant excuses, hypocrisies, blatant fallacious methods of argumentation, declarations of victory and trying to move onto another subject don't pass for a winning argument. But until you decide to revisit this, nuff said.