But that hand held blasters are slow compared to laser weapons and even lead bullets: Fact.
Assessing Peter's speed relative to both Flash and the crowd in film watching the fight, and the fly and the spit, and then how that relates to "real audience speed"..
More subjective and more room for debate.
What does Raimi say on all this jazz, anyway... Anyone got a commentary handy....?
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
But that hand held blasters are slow compared to laser weapons and even lead bullets: Fact.
I'm referring to blaster bolts, only. Some bolts are slow...some bolts are fast. if we take the low end ones, the 60Mph one in the trash compactor, they are slow. If we take the high end one, instantaneous when the panel was shot out, then they are speed of light. Since most fall into the 200-500Mph range, we'll go with that. However, if Robtard wants to include that "awareness" scene, then we will include blaster bolts that traveled between 1-4 kilometers a second. Then that makes Peter look slow relative to the Jedi.
Do you see how that works?
In other words, PIS be damned and work with stupidity that it comparable.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Assessing Peter's speed relative to both Flash and the crowd in film watching the fight, and the fly and the spit, and then how that relates to "real audience speed"..
More subjective and more room for debate.
I agree. However, Peter does not show that type of "awareness" throughout the rest of the film or the other two movies in the way Robtard wants. That was my point. The director made a plot hole.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
What does Raimi say on all this jazz, anyway... Anyone got a commentary handy....?
That would be nice. Seriously. But, it still does not detract form it being a movie PIS moment. There are plenty of those throughout all the films.
Originally posted by Robtard
Before the camera slows down, Flash is throwing and withdrawing his punches in second, when it slows down a 0:46, it takes flash 5-6 seconds to punch and bring it back.Peter was barely slowed down, if were making it numbers, he was moving at 90-95%, easily.
They're moving very fast but not at 5+ times normal human speeds, if they were, the sabre light trails would have been one long continuous blur.
Matter of opinion.
Do yourself a favor, watch the SW fights again, and watch spidey fight again, and be objective.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You didn't pay attention to anything I posted.The entire scene is PIS. 😐
If you want to include it, we can. Then we'll say Blaster bolts travel in the range of Ks. Then Peter looks slow. The end. 😐
No, it actually isn't, he's that fast (or faster) in the comic books, so why would it be a stretch for Raimi to make movie Spider-man like comic Spider-man?
He also dodged a bullet at point blank range (as in the comics) when he chases that thief/murderer into the warehouse.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Matter of opinion.Do yourself a favor, watch the SW fights again, and watch spidey fight again, and be objective.
It isn't an opinion, as we can clearly see what is shown to us. The camera slowing down in regards to Flash while Peter was still moving at basically normal speed was Raimi's way of explaining his powers to us; he stayed true to the comics in this regard.
I recall that scene, they were moving fast; not as fast as Peter is protrayed with the slow-camera trick though. Peter would be moving/reacting at roughly 5x the speed of a fast punch. Since Toby can't move this fast in real life, hence the camera trick.
Originally posted by RobtardFast enough to avoid any and all saber attacks?
It isn't an opinion, as we can clearly see what is shown to us. The camera slowing down in regards to Flash while Peter was still moving at basically normal speed was Raimi's way of explaining his powers to us; he stayed true to the comics in this regard.I recall that scene, they were moving fast; not as fast as Peter is protrayed with the slow-camera trick though. Peter would be moving/reacting at roughly 5x the speed of a fast punch.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Fast enough to avoid any and all saber attacks?
If ithe Jedi/Sith isn't using any force push, hold etc attacks, I think he's shown enough speed, agility and reaction-time in the films to be able to avoid/dodge (or parry if he has a sabre) them long enough to land a killing or crippling punch or kick.
Originally posted by Robtard
If ithe Jedi/Sith isn't using any force push, hold etc attacks, I think he's shown enough speed, agility and reaction-time in the films to be able to avoid/dodge (or parry if he has a sabre) them long enough to land a killing or crippling punch or kick.
So all this talk about reaction time is a moot point, Jedi/Sith would pwn spidey cuz they have the force and he does not.
Spidey as a Jedi=FAIL.
Originally posted by dadudemon
However, if Robtard wants to include that "awareness" scene, then we will include blaster bolts that traveled between 1-4 kilometers a second. Then that makes Peter look slow relative to the Jedi.
Actually, since Jedi are only able to reflect them because they feel beforehand where they will be shot, it doesn't make Jedi faster really. The point is they are there before the blaster is shot. If they weren't they'd have a problem either way.
Originally posted by Bardock42And they also will feel where and when Spidey will attack.
Actually, since Jedi are only able to reflect them because they feel beforehand where they will be shot, it doesn't make Jedi faster really. The point is they are there before the blaster is shot. If they weren't they'd have a problem either way.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Actually, since Jedi are only able to reflect them because they feel beforehand where they will be shot, it doesn't make Jedi faster really.
Moving faster? You are correct. Their reaction time being uber fast? Yes, that's what I was referring to.
I wasn't saying that they were moving uber fast, I was pointing out that their reaction to those things makes Peter's reactions look slow. In fact, I berrated the others for trying to use that "fast movement" as an arguing point.
Originally posted by Bardock42
The point is they are there before the blaster is shot. If they weren't they'd have a problem either way.
I'm not sure what you mean here unless you saying the same as above. The Jedi reaction time is much faster than Parker's. My actual point was PIS from both movies making it stupid.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So all this talk about reaction time is a moot point, Jedi/Sith would pwn spidey cuz they have the force and he does not.Spidey as a Jedi=FAIL.
Depends, in a short distance fight where Spider-man's faster reation-time and reflexes would allow him to (close) attack before they were able to 'Force' something, they'd be killed.
With some distance, they most likely could hold him down before he moved in and tore someone's head off.
Edit: I looked online for Jedi powers in regards to physical enhancements etc; couldn't really find anything concrete, maybe you can?
In regards to Spider-man, it says his enhanced speed, reflexes etc allow him to be able to dodge a bullet fired at point blank range. www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man's_powers_and_equipment
Like I said above, (iirc) this was also shown in the first movie when the thief/murderer went to shoot him after Peter chased him into the warehouse and then he paused for a moment when he realized it was the same guy who killed Uncle Ben and he could have stopped it.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Online sources mean shit. What is seen in the movies is what matters.An dude, It takes like a millisecond for a Jedi to execute a force attack.
If Spiderman saw Anakin flex his force like he did when he stood up with the suite on, Spiderman would flip his lid and say, "His power level is OVER NINE THOOOOOOOOUUSSSSSSSAAAAND!"
He would beg to be slaughtered at a medium pace.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Online sources mean shit. What is seen in the movies is what matters.An dude, It takes like a millisecond for a Jedi to execute a force attack.
Fair enough, in Spider-man's case though, seems they tried to portray him like the comic book, as he's a comic-book character. The super reflexes, dodging of bullets etc was shown in the films.
Not in the movies, Obi, Anakin/Vader, Maul etc all usually have to physically motion in some manner to execute a Force move and it definitely isn't near-instantaneous.
Edit: Has there ever been any on-screen Force attack that happened in "millisecond"? Or are you just over-artributing to the Jedi powers again?