Originally posted by dadudemon
If Spiderman saw Anakin flex his force like he did when he stood up with the suite on, Spiderman would flip his lid and say, "His power level is OVER NINE THOOOOOOOOUUSSSSSSSAAAAND!"He would beg to be slaughtered at a medium pace.
Na, Peter is exceptionally smart, as (especially) seen in Spider-man 2. The seconds it took Vader to do his yell and shake the ground, he could easily move in and punch Vader through the skull, strike when opportunity allows.
Originally posted by Robtard
Fair enough, in Spider-man's case though, seems they tried to portray him like the comic book, as he's a comic-book character. The super reflexes, dodging of bullets etc was shown in the films.Not in the movies, Obi, Anakin/Vader, Maul etc all usually have to physically motion in some manner to execute a Force move and it definitely isn't near-instantaneous.
Your argument is like "Yeah, Mike Tyson would kick Johnny Depp's ass, but Johnny Depp is better looking."
What difference does all this make? It's not important who is faster, bottom line is that a Jedi/Sith is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much for Spidey too handle, whether it be h2h or saber battle. They have too many powers, their precog is on an entirely different level, man.
If Spidey dodges a saber attack or two, all a Jedi/Sith would have to do is reach out with their mind and pwn his ass, The battle wouldnt last 15 seconds.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Your argument is like "Yeah, Mike Tyson would kick Johnny Depp's ass, but Johnny Depp is better looking."What difference does all this make? It's not important who is faster, bottom line is that a Jedi/Sith is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much for Spidey too handle, whether it be h2h or saber battle. They have too many powers, their precog is on an entirely different level, man.
If Spidey dodges a saber attack or two, all a Jedi/Sith would have to do is reach out with their mind and pwn his ass, The battle wouldnt last 15 seconds.
I specifically used examples from the movies (not shit pulled out of my ass like people do in regards to anything SW) to state my case of how Spider-man could win against a Jedi or Sith.
How is speed in a fight "not important" now, because you say so? He's faster and reacts faster by what is seen in the films, so considering they both could kill one another with the first hit, Spider-man could/would win if the fight started in close quarters.
Your argument consist of "Jedi are just better, so they win no matter what."
Originally posted by Robtard
I specifically used examples from the movies (not shit pulled out of my ass like people do in regards to anything SW) to state my case of how Spider-man could win against a Jedi or Sith.How is speed in a fight "not important" now, because you say so? He's faster and reacts faster by what is seen in the films, so considering they both could kill one another with the first hit, Spider-man could/would win if the fight started in close quarters.
Your argument consist of "Jedi are just better, so they win no matter what."
The Jedi/Sith win for obvious reasons, because they have powers Spidey can only dream of. It's like me fighting Voldemort in a magic duel.
Close quarters, long distance, Spidey is toast. A Jedi/Sith can engage in a saber battle AND use the force at the same time, Vader displays this in ESB.
The mere FACT that a Jedi's precog is far more advanced than Spidey's, AND they can wield the force.....Do the math, man.
You can blame Lucas for that because he doesn't ever try to explain what is going on, and the "bullet time" or whatever it is called trick they use to show Petes reaction time just wouldn't fit in Star Wars. They are trying to tell a multi layered story, not fill up time explaining powers. Those Jedi that Palps punked out and made to look like fools were actually mastert swordsman, but Sidious was just that much better. He would tag Spiderman with no problem.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The Jedi/Sith win for obvious reasons, because they have powers Spidey can only dream of. It's like me fighting Voldemort in a magic duel.Close quarters, long distance, Spidey is toast. A Jedi/Sith can engage in a saber battle AND use the force at the same time, Vader displays this in ESB.
The mere FACT that a Jedi's precog is far more advanced than Spidey's, AND they can wield the force.....Do the math, man.
Did Vader do so in this in the "millisecond" you claim Jedi/Sith can do, in the film? Name the scene, please.
Precog doesn't mean much if the attack is still faster than you react to, it would just mean that they'd be aware of an attack they couldn't counter in time. Which is the case many a time, as Jedi get shot, Jango was able to shoot one (a high ranking one I believe) to death at close range.
Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
You can blame Lucas for that because he doesn't ever try to explain what is going on, and the "bullet time" or whatever it is called trick they use to show Petes reaction time just wouldn't fit in Star Wars. They are trying to tell a multi layered story, not fill up time explaining powers. Those Jedi that Palps punked out and made to look like fools were actually mastert swordsman, but Sidious was just that much better. He would tag Spiderman with no problem.
So like other SW fans in here, you're adding more than what is shown in the films. Okay, but it doesn't count as a valid debate point.
Originally posted by dadudemonThe Jedi reaction time is much faster than Parker's. My actual point was PIS from both movies making it stupid.
Heres the problem:
The Jedi dont experience slow-time.
They see the future before it happens.
As explained to Shmi by Qui-Gonn in TPM.
Spiderman's method is different to theirs.
His genuinely is really quick reflexes while they rely on precognition.
And if they aint too in tune with things they get whacked, like in Order 66.
Originally posted by Robtard
Did Vader do so in this in the "millisecond" you claim Jedi/Sith can do, in the film? Name the scene, please.Precog doesn't mean much if the attack is still faster than you react to, it would just mean that they'd be aware of an attack they couldn't counter in time.
Obi Wan/Qui Gon versus Maul. Maul is fighting, retreating, extends his hand and a piece of debris flies off the ground and smashes into a door control, opening the door, remember? This took like less than half a second. He extends his hand and instantly it flies off the ground and strikes the door control.
Right here, at :52 into the vid.
Originally posted by Robtard
Did Vader do so in this in the "millisecond" you claim Jedi/Sith can do, in the film? Name the scene, please.Precog doesn't mean much if the attack is still faster than you react to, it would just mean that they'd be aware of an attack they couldn't counter in time.
Obi Wan/Qui Gon versus Maul. Maul is fighting, retreating, extends his hand and a piece of debris flies off the ground and smashes into a door control, opening the door, remember? This took like less than half a second. He extends his hand and instantly it flies off the ground and strikes the door control.
Right here, at :52 into the vid.
INSTANTANEOUS. Any questions?
Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
1.Spidy was tagged several times by the Goblin.
2.Jedis are faster then the GG, from canon.
3.Jedis can tag Spiderman.
1) Goblin is similar to Spider-man, he has super reflexes, agility, durability and strength.
2) Not really, see above.
3) Not before he could tag them in a close fight.
I'd be nice if you used feats seen in the movies to state your case for the Jedi.
Obi was knocked on his ass by a normal human, Jango. I understand that this was to furthr the plot, as is the same for Spider-man in some instances in the films, but going off their greatest feats in the films, Spider-man is far quicker than any Jedi.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Obi Wan/Qui Gon versus Maul. Maul is fighting, retreating, extends his hand and a piece of debris flies off the ground and smashes into a door control, opening the door, remember? This took like less than half a second. He extends his hand and instantly it flies off the ground and strikes the door control.Right here, at :52 into the vid.
INSTANTANEOUS. Any questions?
Do you have eye trouble? Or do you not know what "instantaneous" means?
1) They're fighting rather slow at that moment, compared to when Obi and Maul go at it.
2) When maul uses the force to throw the debris, not only has he broken away from the sabre duel, it takes him 2 seconds to do the maneuver as he uses his hand to guide it.
edit: it'd be nice to have some intellectual honest, if something clearly didn't happen in the films, don't try and pass it off as it did.
Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Lucas never demonstrated how fast a Force sensitive actually moves, so the books and comics are our only source of relevancy.
And that's the issue with many of the pro SW people, they simply add more to what is shown in the films because they're aware of the greater powers/abilities the Jedi and characters like Boba have in the written material.
Thank you for being honest though, seriously.
Originally posted by Robtard
Do you have eye trouble? Or do you not know what "instantaneous" means?1) They're fighting rather slow at that moment, compared to when Obi and Maul go at it.
2) When maul uses the force to throw the debris, not only has he broken away from the sabre duel, it takes him 2 seconds to do the maneuver as he uses his hand to guide it.
Two seconds? 😆 DUDE....The object is already in motion BEFORE he extends his hand, his hand is like a wizards wand, its more like an aiming device. In Vader's case, in ESB, he was just hurling random objects in Luke's general direction. Two seconds my ass.
And look at Maul and Obi Wan fighting at 4:39 to 4:51, you telling me Spidey could dodge ALL of those attacks? You need a reality check, man.
Originally posted by Robtard
Na, Peter is exceptionally smart, as (especially) seen in Spider-man 2. The seconds it took Vader to do his yell and shake the ground, he could easily move in and punch Vader through the skull, strike when opportunity allows.
That's why you fail, young padawan. Vader can force choke people from across the galaxy.
The end. 😐
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Two seconds? 😆 DUDE....The object is already in motion BEFORE he extends his hand, his hand is like a wizards wand, its more like an aiming device. In Vader's case, in ESB, he was just hurling random objects in Luke's general direction. Two seconds my ass.And look at Maul and Obi Wan fighting at 4:39 to 4:51, you telling me Spidey could dodge ALL of those attacks? You need a reality check, man.
It's impossible to have an honest debate with you if a Star Wars character is involved, to date, I've only seen you acknowledge the 'film only' rule once; that was after pages and pages of debate though.
From what is shown in the films, yes, Spider-man is far quicker, agile etc. He wouldn't need to dodge attack after attack, he could easily attack first and kill or dodge and counter quicker than the Jedi's as seen in the movies.