Originally posted by CadoAngelus
that's another thing, Starscream in the first film was aware of his rank and took order from Megatron and did what he did...but all of a sudden in this one, he subservient...where the hell did that come from?
Two things.
1) We didn't see enough of Starscream to really tell of his position.
2) There are a LOT of continuity errors in this movie already. Where's Barricade? What happened to most of the characters? How come Cybertron's still around? Why didn't Optimus mention the Fallen before? Just leave your brain at the door and watch the movie.
Originally posted by Tired Hiker in the movies section:
"I love Roger Ebert's critique of Trasformers 2. He must have had a blast writing this:
"Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" is a horrible experience of unbearable length, briefly punctuated by three or four amusing moments. One of these involves a dog-like robot humping the leg of the heroine. Such are the meager joys. If you want to save yourself the ticket price, go into the kitchen, cue up a male choir singing the music of hell, and get a kid to start banging pots and pans together. Then close your eyes and use your imagination.
The plot is incomprehensible. The dialog of the Autobots®, Decepticons® and Otherbots® is meaningless word flap. Their accents are Brooklyese, British and hip-hop, as befits a race from the distant stars. Their appearance looks like junkyard throw-up. They are dumb as a rock. They share the film with human characters who are much more interesting, and that is very faint praise indeed.
The movie has been signed by Michael Bay. This is the same man who directed "The Rock" in 1996. Now he has made "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen." Faust made a better deal. This isn't a film so much as a toy tie-in. Children holding a Transformer toy in their hand can invest it with wonder and magic, imagining it doing brave deeds and remaining always their friend. I knew a little boy once who lost his blue toy truck at the movies, and cried as if his heart would break. Such a child might regard "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" with fear and dismay.
The human actors are in a witless sitcom part of the time, and lot of the rest of their time is spent running in slo-mo away from explosions, although--hello!--you can't outrun an explosion. They also make speeches like this one by John Turturro: "Oh, no! The machine is buried in the pyramid! If they turn it on, it will destroy the sun! Not on my watch!" The humans, including lots of U.S. troops, shoot at the Transformers a lot, although never in the history of science fiction has an alien been harmed by gunfire.
There are many great-looking babes in the film, who are made up to a flawless perfection and look just like real women, if you are a junior fanboy whose experience of the gender is limited to lad magazines. The two most inexplicable characters are Ron and Judy Witwicky (Kevin Dunn and Julie White), who are the parents of Shia LaBeouf, who Mephistopheles threw in to sweeten the deal. They take their son away to Princeton, apparently a party school, where Judy eats some pot and goes berserk. Later they swoop down out of the sky on Egypt, for reasons the movie doesn't make crystal clear, so they also can run in slo-mo from explosions.
The battle scenes are bewildering. A Bot makes no visual sense anyway, but two or three tangled up together create an incomprehensible confusion. I find it amusing that creatures that can unfold out of a Camaro and stand four stories high do most of their fighting with...fists. Like I say, dumber than a box of staples. They have tiny little heads, although Jetfire® must be made of older models, since he has an aluminum beard.
Aware that this movie opened in England seven hours before Chicago time and the morning papers would be on the streets, after writing the above I looked up the first reviews as a reality check. I was reassured: "Like watching paint dry while getting hit over the head with a frying pan!" (Bradshaw, Guardian); "Sums up everything that is most tedious, crass and despicable about modern Hollywood!" (Tookey, Daily Mail); "A giant, lumbering idiot of a movie!" (Edwards, Daily Mirror). The first American review, Todd Gilchrist of Cinematical, reported that Bay's "ambition runs a mile long and an inch deep," but, in a spirited defense, says "this must be the most movie I have ever experienced." He is bullish on the box office: it "feels destined to be the biggest movie of all time." It’s certainly the biggest something of all time."
I agree with it also, as a pure film experience.
Originally posted by Mr. Rhythmic
Two things.1) We didn't see enough of Starscream to really tell of his position.
2) There are a LOT of continuity errors in this movie already. Where's Barricade? What happened to most of the characters? How come Cybertron's still around? Why didn't Optimus mention the Fallen before? Just leave your brain at the door and watch the movie.
i think barricade was killed...blackout was killed...
as for starscream, he didn't seem like what he was in the first movie, in this movie...
Originally posted by Mr. Rhythmic
Two things.1) We didn't see enough of Starscream to really tell of his position.
2) There are a LOT of continuity errors in this movie already. Where's Barricade? What happened to most of the characters? How come Cybertron's still around? Why didn't Optimus mention the Fallen before? Just leave your brain at the door and watch the movie.
I'll preface these comments by stating the writers of ROTF depended way too much on people reading the prequel comics. Much of the storyline can be pieced together by reading said prequels. However, audiences shouldn't have to read any outside material to understand a movie. Anyway, to answer some of your questions, and this is all from what I've gathered by reading the comics:
The Fallen wasn't on Cybertron. He was inside the Decepticon's wrecked ship Nemesis, on one of Saturn's moons. Furthermore, Cyberton was not completely destroyed, there are still pockets of Transformers on the planet awaiting the return of their leaders.
Optimus had no knowledge of the Fallen's existence before the events of ROTF.
I recall the comics alluding to him being killed, but if not, I;m sure he's hiding in secret on Earth awaiting instructions.
Just went to see and I was not impressed, it was very bad compared to the first one. if the first one was a 9 this would be a 3
The first hour or so was fine and felt like the first movie and was entertaining, and then it went down hill quickly.
Things wrong with it. warning spoilers!!
There were WAYYYYY too many robots.
Most of the decepticons you never saw them in their transport state!!
We weren't even given any of their names or introduced to any of them and if there was a little mention of their name I can't remember any of them with the exception of Soundwave (which could have had a way better part) and the Fallen.
Why would the sector 7 guy simmons be fired and now working at a meat market??? and what are the odds of Sam's roommate knowing him? just stupid they could of keeped him in the story without this whole thing. Simmons was just annoying and his lines were painful. and did we have to see his ass like the way we did? that was not even funny it was stupid.
Even though it was funny when the little decepticon was humping mekailas leg, i was thinking what the hell was that why does a robot need to do that?
The coolest part was the good decepticon that was the SR-71 Blackbird.
But they did not use him they way they should of.
But why was he just sitting in the simthonian? and why did he need the shard to wake up?
Then he magically transport everyone from america to egypt??? what the hell was that?? it would of been so much better had he transformed into the blackbird and flown all of them to egypt, he could of got them there in 3 hrs or less if going at mach 3 or more. And we know they can go faster than that if blackout in the first one can go from qatar to vegas in the span of an hour and also if Megatron and starscream can get to one of saturns moons and back in no time at all.
The Fallen character did they pull that out of their ass?
They should of never of brought him in and kept megatron in it (his role was seriously diminished)
I never liked constructacons and devastartor was just stupid, and why did he have balls???
The human female decepticon!!!!???? what is this species and the terminator in one?? that was dumb.
Them getting accross the border just like that without any problems...stupid.
Oh ya, there is a huge metal machine inside the great pyramid and no one knows this for 3000 - 4000 years???
There was plenty of action but for the most part it was just stupid and a bad follow up to the original which was great.
Let the hate responese begin.
i want to say it wasn't that bad, but it was 🙁
i just tried to forget all the cheesy jokes, and the twins and remember the action, the ok storyline
and i think Bay secretly hates black people, the twins received a lot of negative comments due to their being portrayed as a negative stereotype of african-americans, also, in the first movie, Jazz was the first, and only, Autobot to die
and i think Bay secretly hates black people, the twins received a lot of negative comments due to their being portrayed as a negative stereotype of african-americans, also, in the first movie, Jazz was the first, and only, Autobot to die
the female deceptican was dumb. why did she have to spend all that time trying to seduce him and then try to kill him when she could've done it when they were in the car or several other times. obviously it wasn't that she was trying to be secret because that never stopped her from pwning the entire uni in full day light wth everyone looking.
and couldn't she tell that bumblee was an autobot?
my biggest problem was megatron's uselessness in this one. he couldn't even stand up to 3 tanks and a few soldiers and had to retreat. he owned prime in the last one but didn't stand a chance against him in this one and had to cheapshot him. he could take on a full frontal attack from autobots in the last one but had to retreat from 4 in this one despite having starscream next to him.
the forced humor sucked, the characters sucked, the story sucked. it just sucked.
and i think this was the script they handed to megan fox:
-you don't have anylines except "sam!", "saaam!" and "SAAAM!"
-you don't need any body language besides bendng over, running with your back to the camera or running with the camera zoomed in your face and chest beause you need to look hot.
-you'll be wearing full makeup, fake eyelashes and designer boots as you run through the desert amidst explosions. because you need to look hot.
-don't look sad, angry, confused or anything else because you don't look as hot as when you're pouting your lips for absolutely no reason
-we will use every possible excuse to point out that you're hot
-a deceptican will hump your leg which we hope is funny and get the point across that you're hot
absolute rubbish.
~Sado
Originally posted by darthmaul1
The coolest part was the good decepticon that was the SR-71 Blackbird.
But they did not use him they way they should of.
in the Unicro Trilogy (i.e. Armada; Energon; and Cybertron) he masquerades as as a Decepticon, not being a Decepticon and changing sides, and in Cybertron, he
Spoiler:lol
connects with Optimus on a regular basis - giving Optimus the ability to fly - without dying
But why was he just sitting in the simthonian? and why did he need the shard to wake up?
Then he magically transport everyone from america to egypt??? what the hell was that?? it would of been so much better had he transformed into the blackbird and flown all of them to egypt, he could of got them there in 3 hrs or less if going at mach 3 or more.
Plus, transporting was a good way for them to spend less money on transforming one of the transformers...
The Fallen character did they pull that out of their ass?
They should of never of brought him in and kept megatron in it (his role was seriously diminished)
Spoiler:
takes him out in minutes...waste of a character build up i say, considering the film is based on him
I never liked constructacons and devastator was just stupid, and why did he have balls???
Spoiler:
5 minutes to climb a pyramid, 5 seconds to get obliterated by the laser cannon (or whatever that thing was)
The human female decepticon!!!!???? what is this species and the terminator in one?? that was dumb.
Spoiler:****ing ridicules, she's not even based off a character from the original or any of it spin-offs...
"maybe she's a decepticon, but she's not a robot, so how does that work..." and she turned out to be anyway 😬 wtf...she's called Alice, apparently she landed in a Disney Land style theme park with an animatronic model of Alice in Wonderland, and she based her alternate appearance on that...
Oh ya, there is a huge metal machine inside the great pyramid and no one knows this for 3000 - 4000 years???
Spoiler:...rant is over now lol
****ING GREAT STAR HARVESTER IN ONE OF THE THREE PYRAMIDS OF GIZEH
Originally posted by stickman618
i want to say it wasn't that bad, but it was 🙁i just tried to forget all the cheesy jokes, and the twins and remember the action, the ok storyline
and i think Bay secretly hates black people, the twins received a lot of negative comments due to their being portrayed as a negative stereotype of african-americans, also, in the first movie, Jazz was the first, and only, Autobot to die
Oh my god.
Please let this f*cking retarded nonsense stop.
Bay isn't racist. It's a jocular stereotype, not meant with venom. Tyrese played a bad-ass army guy.
-AC