OneDumbG0
Find Your Own Fire
I think there's a good chance FC Darkseid could win against Thanos. It's hard to argue how powerful FC Darkseid was with his mastery of the ALE. But Thanos fanboys have their legitimate arguments as well: Thanos has resisted mind-control, he has resisted reality manipulation, not just matter manipulation, but reality manipulation. Aside from that, it's hard to fathom why FC Darkseid didn't use the ALE on Superman and relied on Libra distracting him with Lois' near-murder. There's also the matter that Orion nearly killed Darkseid himself. Awesomely powerful? Sure. Invincible to any and all? Well... definitely not to Orion at least. But since we don't know how Orion nearly killed Darkseid, we shouldn't speculate. At the same time we shouldn't ignore also that since this is FC Darkseid, he's already been beaten up.
FFS Tricksterpriest, I am being so sincerely honest with you. Superman did not use the Life Equation on Darkseid. We already went over this. The Miracle Machine wasn't even finished at that point because it lacked Element X and a source of power. Superman used counter-vibrations that he learned during his adventures in Superman Byeond. Gawd. I don't care that you think anything else about Final Crisis but FFS, Superman did not make two wishes with the Miracle Machine. If you ask The Great Galen, comicfan11, Allankles, fangirl101, they'll tell you the same damn thing.
And as for some of the above-named who have been posting in the last few pages, shame on you guys. I can't believe the bunch of you still cling to the idea that FC Darkseid did all that under his own power. And you have the gall to say that it was proven that ALE is nothing but mind-control and ALE can't break time and space and therefore Darkseid did everything on his own? How many times to I have to post the scans before you get it through your head?!
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[QUOTE=11553312]Originally posted by comicfan11
I don't know how to say it in a different way but THE ALE ENSLAVES FREE WILL.
Nothing more.
Nothing less.
From comicfan11: Basically, there needs to be more correlation for you to prove that the ALE has something to do with Darkseid's folding spacetime. Either, time and space was initially broken as a direct consequence of using the ALE during the war, OR the ALE just plain breaks time and space outright. Well, the only survivor of the war is Motherboxxx, and as argued by kevdude above, its arguable one way or the other. If the ALE did something else on-panel other than enslave minds, you'd have a point. But it didn't, not clearly anyway enough in [i]Final Crisis: Revelations anyway. So what we have is the Anti-Life Equation clearly taking over minds and nothing else. And there is something to be said for the abundance of evidence that the Anti-Life Equation controls minds. So if it can't do more than that, how can you believe it actually collapses space and time?[/i]
To comicfan11: Fine. Let's for a moment, consider that what Cain and Spectre speak of and do on-panel in Final Crisis: Revelations is, at best, debateable. Taking that off the board, arguably, I've presented nothing else but correlative evidence, e.g. Life Equation and Miracle Machine, what's the point of controlling minds if everything gets crushed, etc. Let's put that aside as well since it isn't positive evidence that the ALE can do anything else.
First off, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. And having read Final Crisismore carefully, I present to you several scans... But first, a question, "Whent eh Flashes raced through Darkseid... where did all those Omega Finder Beams come from actually?" Darkseid never shot them at the Flashes and besides, there's a whole bunch of em:
Answer, all the innocent ALE-infected humans ("ALEers"😉that were surrounding Superman and Darkseid shot them out of their own eyes:
It's clear. The ALEers who are surrounding Superman talk with Darkseid's voice and ask him if Superman can outrace the Omega Sanction with their eyes glowing red. The Flashes burst onto the scene and the ALEers turn around and react to the light growing behind them. The next page shows the ALEers shooting the Omega Finder Beams at the passing Flashes. That's where they came from and because multiple ALEers shot them, that's why there are so many beams in the first place. It's right there in that panel. You an see it come from their eyes. The Anti-Life Equation doesn't just enslave minds. It can strip people of powers. It can also give people powers. It makes sense after all. Like I told you from the start, Darkseid didn't just want to enslave their minds, he literally wanted their entire beings to become him. He wanted all of existence to become him. There's your proof, the ALE did more than just give Darkseid control over people's minds. As I've always thought, the ALE actually makes everything... Darkseid. Of course, I'm not done yet.......
Originally posted by Allankles
Also the ALE only enslaves souls it doesn't rewrite or crumple space and time.
From Allankles: The true bottom-line is: whether or not the ALE is only mind-control or is more than that, there is no concrete proof that Darkseid used the ALE in some way to collapse time and space. And so what if you prove Darkseid can do other things with the ALE? It's still speculation that he used the ALE for collapsing time and space without proof!To Allankles: Fine. That'd be true. If not for this:
You see? When Mokkari released the Anti-Life Equation over the Internet at 5:30 PM EST, "That's when time, space... everything cracked." You wanted proof the ALE can break time and space? There you go. On-panel. And this is WELL before Darkseid finally crushed Turpin's spirit and manifested his true form on New Earth even. Reread it yourself. On-panel.[/QUOTE]
