Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Prove he accessed anything other than Andeddu's holocron. Here's another one. Malak and Traya had access to Korriban's tombs while they were being plundered, and Malachor V, Dooku didn't. You lose.
Hooray, dummy.
If you don't do your homework, then don't come here and attempt to "debate" with the heavy hitters of SW Lore. Dooku stole a Sith Holocron together with Lorian Nod. And of course he did access it, which everybody with a decent amount of knowledge about the SW universe would know. Of course you don't and because of that you don't qualify as opponent in a debate in this forum here. Second: There is a record of Dooku stored in the Telos Holocron so, apparently, he did access that one too. Again: Do your homework or stop talking. I'm not here to give you an overview over every damn bit of SW canon. You should get the knowledge before attempting to argue against people who have it.
Except FL was incredibly common in that time by the sith. Revan and Malak knew it, Traya's apprentices Nihilus and SIon knew it. But according to Nai's logic, if we don't see it, it didn't happen! Prove Dooku knew force flight. Prove Qey'tek is applicable in a fight.
Welcome to debating for dummies: You have defined all force powers to "what is shown on screen" yourself, otherwise you wouldn't have had any reason to start an argument at all. Now you're trying to shift the parameters of that particular debate, because I totally owned you. Doesn't fly. If you want to include abilities that those people "possibly" have, then I can just field the entire knowledge of Darth Sidious as of RotS, which trumps everything that Kreia or Malak did possible have access to. This would, of course, mean, that you're losing again. So...you can chose how you want to lose, but the outcome of that little debate will always stay the same. Dooku > those two beings.
Rofl. Typical Nai. Passing off his opinion as fact without any argument. Guess what, Revan can rip information out of people's minds too! Explain how this would be applicable in a fight.
Explain how this would not be applicable in a fight, given that Revan is capable to rip an entire language out of some minds, while fighting. And logical deduction doesn't count as "opinion". I know it might be a little hard to differ between the two with the IQ of a frozen, lobotomized starfish, but you could at least try.
ROFL. Logic according to Nai. Guy A and B, therefore he can do EVERYTHING the other guy can do. Except you can't prove he has ANY techniques that they don't, that are relevant to a fight. Also continuing this claim that he does, doesn't make it so.
What's that? Firstly: Please write in a language that can be understood by people not living in IdiotCountry, too - thanks. Secondly: If you have managed to do so...you may want to read stuff that you're replying to. This could be helpful. Not only in the sense of making a debate a debate and not a game of "toss the poop" on your side. Also because it would help you not looking like a complete idiot, whenever hitting the reply button.
Dooku demonstrated: Force lightning, force choke, the blood-vessel-popping, force defence (against TK and lightning), Telekinesis to aid his strength, simultaneous use of two force techniques (lightning + push, lightning + TK), force manouvers while fencing (against different target), Force Doppelgänger (who was strong enough to keep Anakin Skywalker busy), Qey'Tek, mind-ripping.
Malak: Force Choke, Force Lightning, Force Drain
Kreia: Force Sight, Force Sever (Drain)
They have nothing that Dooku can not potentially defend against. Dooku can f*ck them up with pretty much every single technique.
You've consistently proven that you're an idiot Nai, but arguing with you is hilarious, so I'll indulge you. First, Kun never plundered Korriban. Kun never did anything on Korriban. Kun left as soon as he was healed by the dark side. The end.
Says who? You? That doesn't fly, as you have stated yourself about 200 times now. You really think that Kun would leave a world filled with knowledge without taking anything with him? And what the hell do you think who established the Sith Academy there? Oh yes. Given that it was there during times of the Great Hunt (few years after Kun's death) I guess we can conclude that Kun or his followers established it. You think they spent 5 decades there without looting anything from the surrounding graves?
Secondly, Revan can't plunder all of korriban. That's why he recreated an acadamy and had everyone else gather stuff he didn't yet, or didn't get to.
Notice that, when Kun did visit the place 50 years before Revan's time, he already recalled it as "empty". Probably because the Jedi would have been complete idiots, if they would have left all knowledge there [and we know that fights happened on the planet, because of the trapped Jedi Spirits Nadd shows to Kun and the bodies lying around on the surface]. And you seem to forget that Korriban was a freaking graveworld. How much knowledge would expect to find in 1000 year old graves, with the most "precious" of them not even been plundered...
Knowledge of Andeddu? What knowledge exactly? Sidious? What knowledge exactly? I love the double standards. I have to prove what knowledge the duo gained from Korriban and Malachor, but Nai doesn't have to prove what knowledge Dooku gained from sidious and Andeddu. Nice try, jackass.
Excuse me, Sir Can't-debate-for-Shit.
You brought up the point that Malak and Kreia do have more Dark Side knowledge then Dooku. So, it would be your task, to define Dooku's knowledge, then define that of Malak and Kreia, compare those amounts of knowledge and then come up with a conclusion. This is all your job, not mine. So I'm not using any kind of "double-standard". I'm merely asking you to substantiate your own argument. But if you can't define what kind of knowledge Dooku, Malak and Kreia have, your entire point is mood.
Do you have any proof that Dooku accessed the holocron he stole? And what is this 3rd holocron?
See above. Do you homework or don't come here to troll around and attempt to cover it as "making an argument". If you aren't familiar with the topic you want to debate, you should keep your mouth shut and watch the pros getting into an argument, kid.
And mind you: You have me agreeing with Escape and Lightsnake here, which usually translates into: You're wrong, idiot.
Except it was said that Revan found underground cities of sith artifacts and holocrons. So yes.
Uh-hu. Where?
Due to your lack of any actual source-material, I know that you can't do the job and answer that question, but I love to see you trying to do it.
What I recall being said about Malachor was, that it was a "storehouse of ancient Sith knowledge" with the Trayus Academy extending to "cities below the ground". That doesn't mean that every centrimetre of that space was filled with Sith Holocrons, which wouldn't make sense anyways, unless you want to suggest that the retreating Ancient Sith would leave such precious knowledge lying around somewhere in outer space for no apparent reason.
Except no. The only apparent defense for this technique is being a WOUND in the force. Hiding one's presence=/=Wound. And you've still yet to prove anything Dooku knows that would be useful in a fight.
So Kreia is a wound in the force, given that she survived a similar attack by Nihilus? Sion is a wound in the force, given that he - in the cut content - also survives a similar attack by Nihilus. That game only has wounds in the force now, huh?
"It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves... it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes." - Kreia, emphasize mine
As Kreia tells us, it does sever the connection of a living thing to the force. If that connection isn't visible, you can't attack it. And please. Tholme was capable of switching his force connection on and off at will (demonstrated when he went into hiding), so it stands to reason that the most knowledgeable Jedi in the Temple (Yoda excepted), a master of Qey'Tek, would also be able to do the job.