Optimus Prime vs. King Kong

Started by Publius II36 pages

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You claimed and I quote: "Pwned" and you dont see it as an egowar...? Right. 🙄
"Pwnage." And I was joking.

Not that I was incorrect...

But speaking of density... Look at the weight/muscle mass of a silverback. Look how solid it is.
It's flesh and bone.

Prime in the movies is an endoskeleton with loads of sheets and panels of metal boxed around it. It gets dented and mangled.
The windowpanes and mask get dented and mangled; the main body does not. This, despite being flung into buildings and sliding down a brick wall by sticking his hand in.

And it definitely would be succeptable to a beast of Kong's size and strength.
The exterior? The parts that contribute to the details of his vehicular form? Sure.

The main body? Not so much. And I'm still waiting to hear how Kong is going to close the distance without getting blown apart by the cannon or sliced in half by the sword.

Anyone blind to the power of a gorilla Kong's size moving at the speeds he does
I'm not blind to it, you're blowing it out of proportion.

and debates that Prime is equal to/able to exceed that without any proof, in the face of such contradicting assertions, isnt really qualified to assess anyone else's status.
There are no contradicting assertions. I conceded the point about Prime's speed in my second post; nothing else you brought up suggests that moving quickly here is actually relevant. Unless Kong is secretly a giant Gorilla Grodd, he doesn't have any ranged weapons, so he's going to have to get right in Prime's face to do any damage, and even then he's going to have to punch past advanced alien armor to do any serious damage. I don't see the former happening, and considering - again - that Prime has a sword in his arm that can cleave clean through that same alien metal, I don't see it doing Kong any good if it does.

Anyways. Im still waiting for the proof that Baymovie Prime has power exceeding that of a same sized human.
You were the one who brought up a theoretical giant human; you're the one who needs to substantiate what that individual would be capable of doing.

But using your brand of calculations, and assuming that a six-foot man can bench 200 pounds and a "giant" human is five times as large and strong, a thirty-foot human would be able to bench a thousand pounds. The strongest conceivable human, benching 1000 pounds, would at thirty-feet be capable of benching two and a half tons.

Take a look.

Skip to Prime vs. Megatron. At 4:50, Megatron flies him straight through a building. They then hit the ground with enough force to tear the concrete of the road apart. At 5:30, Megatron shoots Prime with his cannon; the blast lifts him off the ground, sends him somersaulting several hundred feet through the air, and slams him into a building. The clip then cuts to Prime skating down the sides of buildings with his hands and feet, ripping the walls apart before Megatron hits him and he falls several hundred feet (again) and slams into the ground. 5:59 makes it clear that he and Megatron went through the road. After getting slapped around by Megatron for a few more seconds, the clip cuts to the aftermath of the battle; Prime gets up and starts walking. Note the presence of his limbs and the lack of anything more than aesthetic damage.

You're seriously telling me that King Kong is going to put Optimus Prime through more trauma than all of that? If Kong could do any of that, then this fight would have been over in an instant (it was epic, though).

Blax: Nope. The onus is on you to prove that the Gorilla onscreen, that clearly can damage metal things and snaps Trex skull like it was paper mache, and beat up 3 T Rexs on screen cant damage a flimsily exoskeletoned TF with lots of vulnerable damageable parts that lost in H2H against Megatron..

Spoiler:
(as he will again in this movie, by all accounts.)

Yes it is possible that Kong, going for it would just rip his arms out of his sockets.

Publius: Its not a question of "Is Prime equal to a Man at that size.."
Its a question of "Is Prime equal in strength to a SILVERBACK of Primes size. Nothing he does in the movie indicates that he does.
And you were incorrect.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nope. The onus is on you to prove that the Gorilla onscreen, that clearly can damage metal things and snaps Trex skull like it was paper mache, and beat up 3 T Rexs on screen cant damage a flimsily exoskeletoned TF with lots of vulnerable damageable parts that lost in H2H against Megatron..
Spoiler:
(as he will again in this movie, by all accounts.)
Regardless of whether that was addressed to me or Blax, it's an incredibly inadequate response.

And I just posted the entire Rex fight; he rips out the last one's tongue and snaps it jaw. He doesn't "snap [a] skull like paper mache."

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nope. The onus is on you to prove that the Gorilla onscreen, that clearly can damage metal things and snaps Trex skull like it was paper mache, and beat up 3 T Rexs on screen cant damage a flimsily exoskeletoned TF with lots of vulnerable damageable parts that lost in H2H against Megatron..
Spoiler:
(as he will again in this movie, by all accounts.)

And everything you just posted is speculation. The burden of proof is not on me to refute speculation, and as noted above he never crushed anyone's skull. Balls in your court.

Originally posted by Publius II
Regardless of whether that was addressed to me or Blax, it's an incredibly inadequate response.

And I just posted the entire Rex fight; he rips out the last one's tongue and snaps it jaw. He doesn't "snap [a] skull like paper mache."

The jaw is in the skull, isnt it...? Not the colon...?

Well did you see how much he pulled them about.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
And everything you just posted is speculation. The burden of proof is not on me to refute speculation, and as noted above he never crushed anyone's skull. Balls in your court.

Hey you asserted that Megatron was stronger than Kong...

Prove away...

Prime clearly isnt much more in terms of strength than a similarly sized human. Other wise he coulda snapped Megatron's neck in half.

He didn't rip out it's jaw. Only it's tongue.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
The jaw is in the skull, isnt it...? Not the colon...?

Well did you see how much he pulled them about.

Your arm is part of your body. So if I break your arm I'm breaking your body, right?

Snapping a skull [like styrofoam/paper machete] isn't the same as breaking a jaw; the former implies complete destruction, the latter is more selective. Kong snapped the jaw and twisted the rest.

And is that really your entire response to both our posts?

Its all it needs.

Well Kong had no problem either way.

Try to break a horse's jaw bare handed.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Hey you asserted that Megatron was stronger than Kong...

Prove away...

Prime clearly isnt much more in terms of strength than a similarly sized human. Other wise he coulda snapped Megatron's neck in half.

You're committing a strawman fallacy. Another big no no in debates.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Its all it needs.
You addressed none of the points brought up in either one.

Well Kong had no problem either way.
Notice he spent fifteen seconds trying.

Try to break a horse's jaw bare handed.
I would, if I were a giant gorilla.

Youre being pedantic: equally frowned upon. 😛

Originally posted by Publius II
You addressed none of the points brought up in either one.

Then I dignified them with the appropriate amount of attention. 😂

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Youre being pedantic: equally frowned upon. 😛

That tends to happen in debates. 😐

Not in good ones.

I'm sick. I need a hug.

I need a sig.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
I'm sick. I need a hug.

Bummer.

A lot of it around, this time of year...

I could make you one!

As long as the picture isn't of a real person.

I will hug you if you do.

Srsly. I'm probably heading out to San Fran in two months, anyway.