Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Bruce Lee will win every single time...Ali may have stamina and all that, but can Ali block Lee's kicks, I highly doubt it..
Bruce also had great punching power as well which he displayed
People seem to forget, also, Bruce Lee trained year round, 5-6 days a week. He didn't train like a boxer but rather, an olympian.
Ali most definitely has great reach on Lee. Alis' size is also something to consider but again, Lee is not only a trained and highly skilled boxer but a master martial artist. Bruce Lees' Jeet Kune kune do shows the type of practical application that Bruce employed in his training. Ali is not trained to counter grapples or the types of attacks that Bruce has at his disposal. Bruce liked to interchange his stances and fighting philosophy on the fly. At any time he could be executing a move from one style while switching stances and countering with a move from another style (MMA). Bruce will know exactly what he needs to do in order to negate Alis' boxing style.
I will admit though, one good shot from Ali and Bruce is down for the count but the door swings both ways, one good shot from Lee and Ali is down.
Ali.
Fact is, Ali has much greater force in his punches, along with size, weight, and reach.
Lee is massively overrated, he is no MMA master, shit, an above-average MMA guy would beat his ass.
Lee will grapple him? Name one grapple he has ever used that you can prove he used other than a poorly executed front headlock.
As for Boxing being a joke in MMA, um, lol? Alot of good MMA fighters incorporate boxing into their style, it is a powerful MMA style, IMO, the only striking style better suited in MMA is Muay Thai/Kickboxing.
In fact, all of those wanked Oriental Martial Arts such as the ones Bruce Lee practices, they are obsolete in MMA.
Although to be honest, this fight is not a stomp. Bruce Lee definately has speed and agility over Ali, and quite possibly is stronger with his style. So it will not be a stomp.
Ken Shamrock in his prime would take both out though. He's 1337.
He's mostly right though.
Whoever said boxing sucks in MMA needs there heads checked. Boxing, along with wrestling, is one of the most widely used and crucial MA's you can learn if you're in an MMA environment. You'd have a better chance in an MMA torunament if you entered knowing ONLY boxing, then if you entered knowing, for example, ONLY Tae-Kwon-Do.
Is the fight going to be a striahgt toe-to-toe affair or Lee going to go be allowed to manuever around Ali. Lee's agility and knowledge of stree points on fracture points would have Ali's shins in splinters in the first 3 seconds. Boxers aren't much use if they can't stand.
Lets not forget the 1 Inch Punch.
And size does not matter in movie land. Rocky versus Clubber Land (Mr T), Rocky versus Ivan Dragov (Dolph Longdren), Dutch versus the Predator...the list goes on. Sometimes skill and heart can count for more than size.
"Its not the size of the dog in the fight...its the size of the fight in the dog"
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Ali.Fact is, Ali has much greater force in his punches, along with size, weight, and reach.
IF Ali had greater force in his punch, it is minimal. However, Ali IS taller, greater reach with his ARMS, weighs more (making it diffcult for Bruce Lee to employ is "knock the person the eff over" moves.)
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Lee is massively overrated, he is no MMA master, shit, an above-average MMA guy would beat his ass.
I think you're a bit confused. MMA is not a fighting style, per se. Rather, it is a rule set of fighting.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Lee will grapple him? Name one grapple he has ever used that you can prove he used other than a poorly executed front headlock.
It's possible. I really don't know.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
As for Boxing being a joke in MMA, um, lol?
This line of thought would be strawman. I did not say boxing was a joke in MMA, I said, "From what I understand, boxers get their arses handed to them at freestyle and MMA tournies."
Do you understand what is indicated there?
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Alot of good MMA fighters incorporate boxing into their style, it is a powerful MMA style, IMO, the only striking style better suited in MMA is Muay Thai/Kickboxing.
You probably mean kickboxing rather than just straight boxing.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Although to be honest, this fight is not a stomp. Bruce Lee definately has speed and agility over Ali, and quite possibly is stronger with his style. So it will not be a stomp.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Ken Shamrock in his prime would take both out though. He's 1337.
This, I agree with.
Ali is great, but compared to current top notch boxer, he'd get as arse handed to him. In addition, MMA fighters these days would utterly destroy someone like Ali and Bruce.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
People seem to forget, also, Bruce Lee trained year round, 5-6 days a week. He didn't train like a boxer but rather, an olympian.Ali most definitely has great reach on Lee. Alis' size is also something to consider but again, Lee is not only a trained and highly skilled boxer but a master martial artist. Bruce Lees' Jeet Kune kune do shows the type of practical application that Bruce employed in his training. Ali is not trained to counter grapples or the types of attacks that Bruce has at his disposal. Bruce liked to interchange his stances and fighting philosophy on the fly. At any time he could be executing a move from one style while switching stances and countering with a move from another style (MMA). Bruce will know exactly what he needs to do in order to negate Alis' boxing style.
I will admit though, one good shot from Ali and Bruce is down for the count but the door swings both ways, one good shot from Lee and Ali is down.
Plus Lee was defeated by an asprin.
Ali is much bigger, faster and more elusive than an asprin.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Plus Lee was defeated by an asprin.
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Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Ali is much bigger, faster and more elusive than an asprin.
No. We've been over this already. Lee punches much faster than Ali...and with his hands down at his side as the starting position, not at the ready like Ali's fastest punches were measured as. This is fact. We have documented video on both of them punching. Ali is fast, but no where near the speed of Lee.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
1) People seem to forget, also, Bruce Lee trained year round, 5-6 days a week. He didn't train like a boxer but rather, an olympian.2) Ali most definitely has great reach on Lee. Alis' size is also something to consider but again, Lee is not only a trained and highly skilled boxer but a master martial artist. Bruce Lees' Jeet Kune kune do shows the type of practical application that Bruce employed in his training. Ali is not trained to counter grapples or the types of attacks that Bruce has at his disposal. Bruce liked to interchange his stances and fighting philosophy on the fly. At any time he could be executing a move from one style while switching stances and countering with a move from another style (MMA). 3) Bruce will know exactly what he needs to do in order to negate Alis' boxing style.
I will admit though, one good shot from Ali and Bruce is down for the count but the door swings both ways, one good shot from Lee and Ali is down.
1) People seem to forget the training that Ali used to do.
He trained like an olympian AND beat everybody he fought in the olympics. Did Lee...?
2) Thats speculation about Alis grappling. He controlled and grappled a raging Joe Frazier in the TV studio for example. Fancy having a crack at restraing Joe Frazier...? He was tying up George Foreman all night. WAY bigger and stronger than Lee.
People tend to forget that despite Bruce Lee's training in various forms that his philosophy was to stick to effective practical stuff like a good effective bollock kick if he needed to, because like 80% of flashy "martial arts" arent really reliable in a hot situation on the streets.
3) How will he do that...? (Beyond 'not-showing-for-the-fight', obviously or staying so far outside of Ali's range that he cant actually go in against him..)
Alis Jab would be bouncing Lee's brain around before he has seen it coming. Let alsone him coming in with fast combinations of boxing flurries -Something that all guards in non-boxing-MMA are strangely unable to deal with.- these would rock the much smaller man and he would be destroyed.
Originally posted by dadudemon
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No. We've been over this already. Lee punches much faster than Ali...and with his hands down at his side as the starting position, not at the ready like Ali's fastest punches were measured as. This is fact. We have documented video on both of them punching. Ali is fast, but no where near the speed of Lee.
Bags dont hit back. Whereas Alis punches are so fast that they are equal to welterweight speed, (not much slower than fighters in Lees' own boxing weight.) And they travel greater distances in that time, having more impact on the hit.
Here we go again, whimsical Lee Fanboys... Bruce Lee is both a good athlete and a movie star, Ali was one of the worlds best boxing champions who's taken hits from guys three times Lee's size and who were expertly trained in delivering punches made to knock mother****ers out.
Lee's movies are awesome, great entertainment, that.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Bags dont hit back.
Depends on how kinky you want to get. 😖hifty:
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Whereas Alis punches are so fast that they are equal to welterweight speed, (not much slower than fighters in Lees' own boxing weight.)
I do not deny that Ali was one bad mo fo.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And they travel greater distances in that time, having more impact on the hit.
No, they don't travel greater distances. That measurement Lee did was from his arm at complete rest.
Lee was measured kicking faster than many of Ali's punches. You and I already had this discussion in great detail. We arrived that Lee was faster than Ali. We don't need to go through this again....do we? 🙁
Now, punching power, I've got to give it to Ali. Lee had absurdly powerful punches for his size, but I don't think they were greater than Ali's. Is there measurements for those somewhere on the internet? We could do a comparison and arrive at a conclusion. It's possible that I'm mistaken and Lee actually has a more powerful punch than Ali. I am quite certain that my upper body strength is greater than Ali's at his peak, but I probaby can't generate the force that Ali did because I'm not really trained. However, Lee had stronger upperbody strength than I do, can punch rediculously faster than I can, and trained like a madman day in and day out. To think that Lee could have a stronger punch than Ali wouldn't be rediculous at all.
I'm sure Bruceskywalker would agree with me as he does martial arts much more often than I do.
However, we can say with 100% certainty that
Lee is faster.
Ali has greater reach.
Ali is tried and true, harder to knock out.
Ali has more official fighting experience.
Lee has better street fighting experience.
Lee has a stronger upper body.
Lee can kick better.
Lee is better trained in MMA.
Lee has excellent grappling experience.
Ali has the weight advantage.
Ali has height advantage.
Do you agree?
We could edit this list, if you'd like...untl we reach a mutally agreed upon list.
My coworker, 2nd degree Korean Tai Kwon Do black belt (American Tai Kwon Do is rather watered down compared Korean schools), said that Lee's punching power would have to be stronger based on his ability to generate so much power with so little space. This would be his professional opinion, which counts more than mine...so I don't know who to give the stronger punch to. If we could get more professional opinions on this, we could arrive at a better conclusion.
Lee is faster Marginally, at best, in regards to striking.
Ali has greater reach. yes
Ali is tried and true, harder to knock out.yes
Ali has more official fighting experience.yes
Lee has better street fighting experience. this is heresay
Lee has a stronger upper body.doubtful, at least in regards to punching power
Lee can kick better.yes
Lee is better trained in MMA.yes
Lee has excellent grappling experience.untested grappling experience, movies don't count
Ali has the weight advantage.yes
Ali has height advantage.yes