ALI vs Bruce Lee

Originally posted by Robtard
Ali probably has more wallop in his fist than Lee has in a kick, and remember this is a fight, Ali isn't going to be just be hanging motionless so Lee can take his time to windup and deliver his strongest kick right to a vulnerable area.

Most logical outcome, Ali uses his time and again tested dancing about while punching to KO the much smaller man, who doesn't have an actual fight record.

Look at this fight, negro might as well be teflon, nothing sticks.

All I am saying is that it's not unthinkable for Lee to succeed in taking one of Ali's legs out.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
All I am saying is that it's not unthinkable for Lee to succeed in taking one of Ali's legs out.

He has the "punchers chance", or in his case, the 'kickers/strikers chance', as do you and I (in a lesser degree).

Logically though, Lee gets punched in the face and goes down, which wouldn't take more than one or two, considering Ali has taken down a 220lbs Foreman in his prime while wearing gloves.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yet successful MMA fighters employ boxing strikes. Go figure...

Right. Obviously because ground and pound is a boxing method, right?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Actually Lee wasnt as heavy as a welter, even if he did throw shots hard for a little guy, he still gets all kinds of shit in his grill from Ali that he wouldnt be able to cope with.

Here's some more information for you. Something I forgot about.

Ali has been knocked out. No record of Lee ever having been knocked out. If we want to get to "coping", really, Ali wouldn't cope with something as foreign as Lee.

Also, it is not a secret that Ali was a fan of Lee. I wonder why...

Originally posted by dadudemon
Ali has been knocked out. No record of Lee ever having been knocked out.

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Lee wins in the real world, hands down.

He is much faster than Ali...and is better at fighting in the real world. Bruce Lee was called the father of MMA by Vice President of the UFC.

The answer to your statement is "no".

You think a good UFC fighter would know the answer?

Maybe we should ask one...or two...or three.

What do you guys say?

Lee's feats could be listed here, but they would be dismissed as "heresay."

DDM & RJ,

If Lee could do in a real fight everything he did on camera against people as easily, then he would be the world's best combatant, he'd be on par with fictional characters such as Batman and The Punisher.

Fact is, Lee has no real fight record and everything we know of him (fight-wise) is anecdotal or old footage of him taking out body-bags and doing two-finger push-ups, which is really, really neat, but won't win a fight against a tested (very) top fighter.

If you're willing to put anecdotes and side-show feats such as two-finger push-ups ahead of a renowned champion's fight record, so be it, but it's silly. (unless you have some actual proof of him kicking ass?)

If it was Bruce Lee Vs. The Worlds Toughest Drunken Bar-Room Brawler, then Lee's anecdotes and neat little feats might have precedent; even then it'd be a stretch, as that guy is probably one seriously tough opponent.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You think a good UFC fighter would know the answer?

Maybe we should ask one...or two...or three.

What do you guys say?

If you could find us some UFC fighters that have actual facts on Bruce Lee's fighting abilities; not two-finger push-ups, kicking body-bags and the other neat little feats we all know about, sure, that would be great.

OK I can post this:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/85928-bruce-lee-and-jeet-kune-do-paving-the-road-for-mma-as-we-know-it

http://www.mikementzer.com/blee.html

http://www.geocities.com/mister_jack_dawson/kungfu.html

Or even this:

http://www.fightingmaster.com/masters/brucelee/brucelee.htm

But hey, it's all heresay, he never fought professionally, so he MUST be inferior to Ali. 🙄

Originally posted by dadudemon
Right. Obviously because ground and pound is a boxing method, right?

Here's some more information for you. Something I forgot about.

Ali has been knocked out. No record of Lee ever having been knocked out. If we want to get to "coping", really, Ali wouldn't cope with something as foreign as Lee.

Also, it is not a secret that Ali was a fan of Lee. I wonder why...

Of course not. The Jujitsu usually wraps things up on the nonstriking ranges. But now you mention it, Hooks and elbows are used on the ground. Yes.

Well heres the basic problem with the information you present:
Ali was never knocked out and theres no record of Lee doing shit.

And vice versa.... so much so that he had John Saxon stick and jab in enter the dragon to show the prob that MA practioners have against it.
Not to mention the other dude with the Afro was based personality wise on Ali.

Originally posted by Robtard
Ali probably has more wallop in his fist than Lee has in a kick, and remember this is a fight, Ali isn't going to be just be hanging motionless so Lee can take his time to windup and deliver his strongest kick right to a vulnerable area.

Most logical outcome, Ali uses his time and again tested dancing about while punching to KO the much smaller man, who doesn't have an actual fight record and for all technical purposes, an untested chin.

Edit:Look at this fight, negro might as well be teflon, nothing sticks.

QFT ✅

No way Lee can follow that without getting popped left right and center.
Lee'll be eating leather from so many directions the motherf**ker'll think hes surrounded. Like you say, with that untested chin, it'd be 'curtains' pretty early for Mr.Lee.

Yeesh....

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Of course not. The Jujitsu usually wraps things up on the nonstriking ranges. But now you mention it, Hooks and elbows are used on the ground. Yes.

Elbows are NOT boxing.

Boxing, kickboxing, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Kenpo, and amature wrestling are the styles used in UFC and K-1.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well heres the basic problem with the information you present:
Ali was never knocked out and theres no record of Lee doing shit.

Ali was knocked out and there's plenty of information, fights, of Lee doing stuff. He was certainly in a lot more street fights than Ali.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And vice versa.... so much so that he had John Saxon stick and jab in enter the dragon to show the prob that MA practioners have against it.
Not to mention the other dude with the Afro was based personality wise on Ali.

I have no idea what you're talking about here. Expand on this.

I really like the idea of asking a UFC fighter his opinion. I will actually work on that this weekend. This will be like a homework assignment.

Since we don't have anyway of actually being definitive, expert opinion is just about the only thing we have.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK I can post this:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/85928-bruce-lee-and-jeet-kune-do-paving-the-road-for-mma-as-we-know-it

http://www.mikementzer.com/blee.html

http://www.geocities.com/mister_jack_dawson/kungfu.html

Or even this:

http://www.fightingmaster.com/masters/brucelee/brucelee.htm

But hey, it's all here-say, he never fought professionally, so he MUST be inferior to Ali. 🙄

It is all here-say, for every post you can find of Bruce Lee supposedly being able to destroy everyone, there are counter post saying 'he was a gifted athlete and a actor, not a real world fighter'.

Google "Bruce Lee Myths", you'll get plenty of hits.

Joe Lewis, a kickboxing and Karate world champion who trained under Bruce Lee for some time once said: "Bruce Lee was not a fighter. He was an actor and a teacher. He was a great teacher."

So considering one guy has legends/myths backing him up and the other has facts, why would you think he isn't an inferior fighter?

Edit: There's no question that Lee wasn't physically gifted, he was incredibly fast and could do amazing feats of strength for his size (or any size?), but that alone doesn't win a fight. He also was a bit of a philosopher, there's an interview of his that is a must-see for any Lee fan.

Here it is, highly recommend it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5705518582839508545

See?

See, what?

That everything said about Lee is heresay, and there is no way in hell you will believe otherwise. All his feats and accomplishments are nullified to you because he never strapped on a pair of boxing gloves.