Punisher vs Wolverine, Beast and Cyclops

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

It is irrelevant, because they think differently. Both Doom and High Evolutionary are scientists, not soldiers. For all their scientific know-how, they couldn't match or even predict Castle's combat strategy and evasive maneuvers. That, and they obviously underestimated him, being the egomaniacs they are.

Look I dont mean to be rude or anything but if you're going to say stuff like that could you not assume you're right? Almost everything you said in that post was incorrect. What really gets me is the statement about Dr Doom not being a soldier and for him not being able to predict Frank combat strategy because hes a scientist.

It makes me think you are quite new to marvel comics because making a statement like that is like saying Spiderman is a vigilante and doesnt know anything about Chemistry. You have also made statements about Punisher as a fact that are clearly wrong and im not talking about opinions like wether he can beat Wolverine im talking about facts like its out of character for him to use a battle-helicopter or exoskeleton. Its like the only Punisher you know is Einnis and PWJ.

Maybe you should try in future saying "As far as I know" or "It seems to me." 😬

I'll respond to the rest later im busy right now.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Nah sorry I think im right in this instance. Heres what the scans say.

"They are pointing guns at me"...nothing happens,..we then see them shot at spiderman he then says "Thats when my head explodes." ie his head didnt explode when they pointed the guns at him.

Actually thats not clear cut, you see her about to put the key in the hole and then we cut to Spiderman by that time the key could have been in the hole.

At any rate there were near the door and his SS did nothing.

Spidermans SS varies some showings contradict some dont, there are also many showings that are ambigous as well ie we cant tell specifically what time his SS went off.

Hell sometimes his SS warns him of lying and im pretty sure there are loads of examples when it doesnt.

The point is breaking the glass would be dangerous but it only warned him when he was about to break it, not just by being near it.

There wasn't any danger until the key was in the hole.

His ss would only warn him when he got near to breaking the glass, before that there wasn't any danger.

No, the ss doesn't vary that much. There are times where it should have worked, but shouldn't, based on the norm, but that's why we go by the majority of showings.

Originally posted by Mindset
His ss would have gone off before the bullets even left the chamber, usually his ss would have gone off as soon as the guns were drawn. The artist sometimes don't draw the squiggly lines when the ss is going off until Spiderman actually pays attention to it, you can see this in the first scan you posted with the rotten rafter. His head exploded because the scale of danger drastically elevated.

The picture clearly shows his SS not going off when they pointed it at him. Im going to go by what was actually drawn, instead of trying to read the artist mind when what happened on-panel contradicts what you said. *shrug*

Originally posted by Mindset

There wasn't any danger until the key was in the hole.

Thats the point, and it didnt warn him prior to that.

Originally posted by Mindset

His ss would only warn him when he got near to breaking the glass, before that there wasn't any danger.

Again can we actually go by whats drawn in the picture? His SS didnt warn him until he was about to break the glass.

Originally posted by Mindset

No, the ss doesn't vary that much. There are times where it should have worked, but shouldn't, based on the norm, but that's why we go by the majority of showings.

and the majority of his showings in herochat dont disprove or prove my case actually.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Look I dont mean to be rude or anything but if you're going to say stuff like that could you not assume you're right? Almost everything you said in that post was incorrect.

Maybe you should try in future saying "As far as I know" or "It seems to me." 😬

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What really gets me is the statement about Dr Doom not being a soldier and for him not being able to predict Frank combat strategy because hes a scientist.

It makes me think you are quite new to marvel comics because making a statement like that is like saying Spiderman is a vigilante and doesnt know anything about Chemistry. You have also made statements about Punisher as a fact that are clearly wrong and im not talking about opinions like wether he can beat Wolverine im talking about facts like its out of character for him to use a battle-helicopter or exoskeleton. Its like the only Punisher you know is Einnis and PWJ.

Now, your Spider-Man analogy is faulty because Spider-Man is both a vigilante AND a chemist. Dr. Doom and the High Evolutionary aren't both scientists and experienced military officers. That's not to say they couldn't develop a decent strategy; they're still much smarter than the Punisher, but the latter beat them at his game. The Punisher's military strategy is flat out better than both Dr. Doom's or the High Evolutionary's. There is no comparison. Think about it like this: One could make a case that Bruce Banner is overall smarter than Iron Man or vice versa, but Banner ain't matching Stark's technology and Stark won't know nearly as much about gamma radiation as Banner.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

Wrong again, chief. I've read War Zone, Punisher MAX, War Journal, and a few team-ups.

Well Punisher Max isnt even canon so that out of it. Now you're left with Warzone and PWJ. I dont know how many issues of those you have read. PWJ from what year?

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

I never argued against him using military chopper, but an exoskeleton is pushing it. Shit like that should not be argued as a standard Punisher weapon or tactic.

Im sure you did but I cant be arsed to find what you said exactly.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

Now, your Spider-Man analogy is faulty because Spider-Man is both a vigilante AND a chemist. Dr. Doom and the High Evolutionary aren't both scientists and experienced military officers.

*groan* You missed the point, the point is you dont even know that Doom has knowledge in that area. The point of The Spiderman analogy is that everybody knows that Spiderman has knowldege in chemsistry and everybody knows that Doom has military knowledge thats basic shit. To come out with something like that is shocking.

Both Dr Doom and HE have lots of miltary experience. Its also actually pointless bringing that up anyway because you dont neccesarily have to have specific miliatry experience you just have to be smart.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The picture clearly shows his SS not going off when they pointed it at him. Im going to go by what was actually drawn, instead of trying to read the artist mind when what happened on-panel contradicts what you said. *shrug*

Thats the point, and it didnt warn him prior to that.

Again can we actually go by whats drawn in the picture? His SS didnt warn him until he was about to break the glass.

and the majority of his showings in herochat dont disprove or prove my case actually.

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He still feels a low buzzing, the ss, but it is not drawn, they didn't even have their guns drawn on him, his ss was buzzing from the mere fact that they were looking for him, also notice the squiggly lines are not shown.

"I notice the buzzing increases as they fire" Also what I said, the stronger the danger, the more his ss is felt.

I'll give you the key one, but we don't know if his ss went on before or after the key was in.

I was going off what was shown in the picture, what are you talking about? His ss warned him of the danger of breaking the glass, there wouldn't be any danger besides that to warn him of. When he gets close to the glass it goes off, now why would it go off before he got close?

The respect thread shows he has ample time to avoid danger. Such as dodging bullets w/o seeing them, sensing if a room is dangerous, knowing if someone has a gun pointed at him w/o him even seeing them, etc.

Doom did stage a militaristic coup of Latveria, so he obviously has militaristic knowledge that can compete with others.

Doom can do anything.

Originally posted by KingD19
Doom did stage a militaristic coup of Latveria, so he obviously has militaristic knowledge that can compete with others.

LOL exactly and before that he trained the peasents to fight the previous rulers army (doom was also a boy at the time). For starters his actual occupation is a would-be-conqueror as well, his very job description demands he knows military knowledge and to state that Doom doesnt know military knowledge is ridiculous.

High Evolutinary also trained The Knights of Wundagore in battle tactics to defend their base on earth and he trained and equipped his purifiers.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well Punisher Max isnt even canon so that out of it. Now you're left with Warzone and PWJ. I dont know how many issues of those you have read. PWJ from what year?

I read all of War Zone, pretty sure I read most if not all of the original War Journal, and have read a decent amount of current War Journal. I dropped it shortly after Chaykin replaced Olivetti on art because it was so piss-poor and ugly. Can't tell you the actual years or volume numbers though.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im sure you did but I cant be arsed to find what you said exactly.

That's 'cause I didn't.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
*groan* You missed the point, the point is you dont even know that Doom has knowledge in that area. The point of The Spiderman analogy is that everybody knows that Spiderman has knowldege in chemsistry and everybody knows that Doom has military knowledge thats basic shit. To come out with something like that is shocking.

No, you're just ignoring the point and grasping for straws. I never said they didn't have military knowledge, I said they didn't have military experience. With out that experience, that knowledge is just that-- basic shit, not expertise. Everybody knows Spider-Man has knowledge AND experience in chemistry because he's been working in that field since high school, maybe even earlier. Doom has never been a soldier or an officer, so all he can do with that basic knowledge is make educated guesses. Doesn't prevent him from overlooking some of the details he wouldn't have missed if he'd actually had any military experience.

It's probably only really shocking to you, really.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Both Dr Doom and HE have lots of miltary experience. Its also actually pointless bringing that up anyway because you dont neccesarily have to have specific miliatry experience you just have to be smart.

I call bullshit. How many times have Doom or HE actually led and were apart of a tactical strike or defending a post? How much field work have they put in? Probably not many, because they've either sent Doombots or mutates to do their work for them.

And being smart doesn't always equate to skill. Giving someone a book on home improvement to study will not turn them into friggin' master electricians, plumbers, carpenters, etc. You need both knowledge and experience, otherwise, you're bound to f*** up quite a few times.

That's not to say they can't come up with a decent plan and succeed, but they will overlook things that Frank, as a soldier, will not.

So, again, the X-Men will beat Frank.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Punisher gets 3 weeks prep. Can use Microchip (assume he didnt die and for some strange reason are still friends) and other no-name allies for help, Punisher does not have current hi-tech stash but his old stash from back in the day with Micro.

After the 3 weeks the Xmen start to hunt him down and cannot get any outside help apart from themselves.

Originally posted by Mekrob
I knew this thread was riddicerus from the title.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
I read all of War Zone, pretty sure I read most if not all of the original War Journal, and have read a decent amount of current War Journal. I dropped it shortly after Chaykin replaced Olivetti on art because it was so piss-poor and ugly. Can't tell you the actual years or volume numbers though.

Ok but it seems im always filling you in on encounters such as with Cap, Doom, Daredevil etc.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

No, you're just ignoring the point and grasping for straws. I never said they didn't have military knowledge, I said they didn't have military experience.

So lets see if I can get this straight. You quote my post which talks about knowledge but you ignored this part of the post that talks about experience.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Both Dr Doom and HE have lots of miltary experience. Its also actually pointless bringing that up anyway because you dont neccesarily have to have specific miliatry experience you just have to be smart.

Furthermore you didnt even specify in your orginial post. You said that they were not soldiers that obvoulsy involves military knowledge and experience which is why I addressed both knowledge and experience. I would also assume that you would have included actually leading soldiers and giving them battle tactics.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

With out that experience, that knowledge is just that-- basic shit, not expertise. Everybody knows Spider-Man has knowledge AND experience in chemistry because he's been working in that field since high school, maybe even earlier. Doom has never been a soldier or an officer, so all he can do with that basic knowledge is make educated guesses. Doesn't prevent him from overlooking some of the details he wouldn't have missed if he'd actually had any military experience.

It's probably only really shocking to you, really.

and again for the 100th time you're wrong.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

I call bullshit. How many times have Doom or HE actually led and were apart of a tactical strike or defending a post? How much field work have they put in? Probably not many, because they've either sent Doombots or mutates to do their work for them.

Doom spent years as a young buy fighting The Ruler of latveria. He was also The Leader of the supervillains in Secret War and that didnt just involve telling people what to do it involved kicking arse. He didnt just use Doombots to otherthrow the ruler as far as I can remember he kicked butt, hes got experience as a soldier and a commander.

High Evolutinary trained and equipped his New Man to protect their base on mount wundagrore. The fact that the New Men were succesful in protetcing the base and he actually trained them speaks volumes. The New Men were at Mount Wundagore for years. The fact that he trained and equipped his Purifiers and they were causing on havoc on earth speaks volumes. If you can train soliders and give them succesful training and tactics then you can think like a soldier...obvoulsy.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

And being smart doesn't always equate to skill. Giving someone a book on home improvement to study will not turn them into friggin' master electricians, plumbers, carpenters, etc. You need both knowledge and experience, otherwise, you're bound to f*** up quite a few times.

That's not to say they can't come up with a decent plan and succeed, but they will overlook things that Frank, as a soldier, will not.

Well first of all that logic fails. Kingpin has zero military knowledge and experience and is a threat to the Punisher. Jigsaw has zero military knowledge and experience and is a threat to the Punisher.

Doom has extensive experience as a soldier and military leader.

HE at the very least has lots of military knowledge and his soldiers have been effective at what they were doing.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Knowing the author didn't help matters any, did it? 😂

Thats exactly what im talking about. You've basically twisted what ive said around and you've got basic facts blantantly wrong, but somehow when I actually have some basis for what im saying in comics I have to take shit from you.

Which is why i said if you're going to make a statement like its a fact at least get it right otherwise its just looks hypoctritical. If you're gonna insult me at least have the decency not to blantantly lie and twist what im saying and gets facts wrong.

Why are you arguing with yourself?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok but it seems im always filling you in on encounters such as with Cap, Doom, Daredevil etc.

No, you regurgitate them in an attempt to give the Punisher the win. Punisher escaped Doom, but hasn't beat him. He's done well against Daredevil a few times, but Daredevil still gets a majority. Shooting Captain America isn't impossible, and isn't a feat exclusive to the Punisher.

How does any of this show he'll beat these 3 X-Men?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
So lets see if I can get this straight. You quote my post which talks about knowledge but you ignored this part of the post that talks about experience.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Furthermore you didnt even specify in your orginial post. You said that they were not soldiers that obvoulsy involves military knowledge and experience which is why I addressed both knowledge and experience. I would also assume that you would have included actually leading soldiers and giving them battle tactics.

Anyhow, I'm thinking Castle would've taken pre-Doom Latveria by himself. biscuits

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Doom spent years as a young buy fighting The Ruler of latveria. He was also The Leader of the supervillains in Secret War and that didnt just involve telling people what to do it involved kicking arse. He didnt just use Doombots to otherthrow the ruler as far as I can remember he kicked butt, hes got experience as a soldier and a commander. Doom has extensive experience as a soldier and military leader. HE at the very least has lots of military knowledge and his soldiers have been effective at what they were doing.

High Evolutinary trained and equipped his New Man to protect their base on mount wundagrore. The fact that the New Men were succesful in protetcing the base and he actually trained them speaks volumes. The New Men were at Mount Wundagore for years. The fact that he trained and equipped his Purifiers and they were causing on havoc on earth speaks volumes. If you can train soliders and give them succesful training and tactics then you can think like a soldier...obvoulsy.

Knights of Wundagore = yawn
What have they done again? AS FAR AS I KNOW, it was Magnus the Sorcerer who trained them, and HE just gave them really cool shit to fight with.

Escaping Doom and HE once doesn't give Frank the win over the X-Men anyhow, especially since they clearly underestimated him.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well first of all that logic fails. Kingpin has zero military knowledge and experience and is a threat to the Punisher. Jigsaw has zero military knowledge and experience and is a threat to the Punisher.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
and again for the 100th time you're wrong.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Thats exactly what im talking about. You've basically twisted what ive said around and you've got basic facts blantantly wrong, but somehow when I actually have some basis for what im saying in comics I have to take shit from you.

Which is why i said if you're going to make a statement like its a fact at least get it right otherwise its just looks hypoctritical. If you're gonna insult me at least have the decency not to blantantly lie and twist what im saying and gets facts wrong.

Cry me a friggin' river. 😐

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
No, you regurgitate them in an attempt to give the Punisher the win. Punisher escaped Doom, but hasn't beat him. He's done well against Daredevil a few times, but Daredevil still gets a majority. Shooting Captain America isn't impossible, and isn't a feat exclusive to the Punisher.

How does any of this show he'll beat these 3 X-Men?

No, chief -- I quoted the rest of it further down along the page. 🙄

Did Doom give to them an actual strategy, or did he just tell them to storm the castle and kill everyone in their way. There's a huge difference.

Anyhow, I'm thinking Castle would've taken pre-Doom Latveria by himself. biscuits

No, he doesn't. He lead a peasant's revolt against a country way behind the times, after receiving his armor. He's picked up a few things over the years as a dictator, but that doesn't put him on Castle's level of military know-how.

Knights of Wundagore = yawn
What have they done again? AS FAR AS I KNOW, it was Magnus the Sorcerer who trained them, and HE just gave them really cool shit to fight with.

Escaping Doom and HE once doesn't give Frank the win over the X-Men anyhow, especially since they clearly underestimated him.

They're threats because, much like Doom and HE, they have the power and/or resources to execute their plans. Castle usually kicks around Jigsaw and is a pain in the ass to the Kingpin's criminal empire. Castle is still a better strategist than them, which is why he was able to escape Doom in the first place.

Really? I don't know about that. You have have a long track record of being wrong, changing your original arguments when you've been proved wrong, and acting like you were simply playing devil's advocate to try and save face. I knew that about you before I became an active poster, back when you went by Alfheim. You know, if I took the time to look, I could actually find several posts from different members to support that.

nopity

Cry me a friggin' river. 😐

*shrug* Your wasting my time. Not going to respond to that post so you can waste my time even further. Hell you even want to argue that Pun wouldnt use armour pierceing bullets and explosives. If you cant see thats a retarded thing to say then theres really no point.

Originally posted by Mindset
In the scan with the rafter his ss isn't shown until it actually breaks, but obviously his ss was going off before that. 😬 You're seriously telling me his ss will only go off when the bullets were fired? That goes against against his ss works and most of its showings...hmm, looks like I was right:

Thats not what I said, I said before they are about to fire.

Originally posted by Mindset

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He still feels a low buzzing, the ss, but it is not drawn, they didn't even have their guns drawn on him, his ss was buzzing from the mere fact that they were looking for him, also notice the squiggly lines are not shown.

"I notice the buzzing increases as they fire" Also what I said, the stronger the danger, the more his ss is felt.

Yeah but before that there was no buzzing in his head prior to them shooting. Like I said his SS is not always consistent.

Originally posted by Mindset

I'll give you the key one, but we don't know if his ss went on before or after the key was in.

She was about to put the key in the hole, we then cut to Spiderman. Time didnt pause when we cut to Spiderman so theres a decent chance when we are looking at Spiderman the key is already in the hole. We then go to the next panel and shes about to turn the key.

Originally posted by Mindset

I was going off what was shown in the picture, what are you talking about? His ss warned him of the danger of breaking the glass, there wouldn't be any danger besides that to warn him of. When he gets close to the glass it goes off, now why would it go off before he got close?

Thats my whole point it didnt warm him just by being near it. For example if the window had explosives on it, his SS would not have warned him until he was about to break the glass. So in other words if hes near explosives his SS wont neccesarily go off until before the bomb is trigggered or at least just before hes about to touch it, which is not what happened in COD. Punisher stopped Spiderman before he could even move, so his SS woulndt have gone off if they were bombs anyway.

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Originally posted by Mindset

The respect thread shows he has ample time to avoid danger. Such as dodging bullets w/o seeing them, sensing if a room is dangerous, knowing if someone has a gun pointed at him w/o him even seeing them, etc.

Like I said some of them do, and some of them are vague you dont specifically know at what time he was warned you just see him dodging bullets. I guess you could be right about specifically dodging bullets but his SS varies over different situations

Theres also an example of his SS warning him just before hes about to bump into somebody. Note [i]just before[i/], his SS didnt buzz by the guy just being there it only buzzed just before the guy become a potential threat. This can be applied to an explosive, a bomb nearby wont neccsarily warn him until he is about to touch or before its triggered.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
*shrug* Your wasting my time. Not going to respond to that post so you can waste my time even further. Hell you even want to argue that Pun wouldnt use armour pierceing bullets and explosives. If you cant see thats a retarded thing to say then theres really no point.

Translation:

"Oh yeah?! Well... Screw you guys-- I'm going home!"

I'd forgotten how you also back out when you can't really argue against what's been said. Classic Alfheim. Not like you'd make a convincing argument, anyhow.

What's retarded is your downplaying of Cyclops' capabilities in this fight and your deliberate ignorance of Castle's beliefs and character. Cyclops hasn't really had a problem hurting or killing people to get the job done; Punisher has always had a problem killing anyone who isn't a violent criminal, drug dealer, or an accomplice to the former. Even in Confederacy of Dunces, the Punisher acknowledges that Spider-Man, Wolverine, and Daredevil aren't guilty of any wrongdoing by his own judgment, and we all know Castle doesn't willingly kill anyone but the guilty.

The Punisher more than likely wouldn't use armor-piercing bullets or explosives against these three because:

a) he's fighting people who aren't bulletproof. Armor-Piercing ammo would be overdoing it.

b) Armor-piercing rounds won't be anymore effective against Wolverine because they would go right though his flesh and won't do a damned thing against his adamantium.

c) it would be more practical to stick to hollow-points than armor-piercing rounds, because they expand upon impact and usually stay lodged in the body, thus doing more damage.

d) Explosives compromise the lives of the X-Men, the lives of any bystanders, and possibly even the integrity of his surroundings. If it were a one-on-one fight with Wolverine, then it would be a different story and Frank could go to town with the explosives. You argue against that, and you ignore the character's principles.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Translation:

"Oh yeah?! Well... Screw you guys-- I'm going home!"

I'd forgotten how you also back out when you can't really argue against what's been said. Classic Alfheim. Not like you'd make a convincing argument, anyhow.

No I dont like debtaing with people who assume that everything they say is correct and try to find something negative about everything I say. The thing is posters like you dont understand that I dont actually have a a problem with people disagreeing with me, what I have problem is with people who are argumentative....that is just a waste of time. I havent told Mindset I was ignoring him.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

What's retarded is your downplaying of Cyclops' capabilities in this fight and your deliberate ignorance of Castle's beliefs and character. Cyclops hasn't really had a problem hurting or killing people to get the job done;

🙄 Yeah I know that, thats something you assumed I hadnt considered.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

Punisher has always had a problem killing anyone who isn't a violent criminal, drug dealer, or an accomplice to the former. Even in Confederacy of Dunces, the Punisher acknowledges that Spider-Man, Wolverine, and Daredevil aren't guilty of any wrongdoing by his own judgment, and we all know Castle doesn't willingly kill anyone but the guilty.

Still doesnt change anything. Please use your head and figure out why. Since you want to argue about every last detail i'll let you figure it out for yourself.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

The Punisher more than likely wouldn't use armor-piercing bullets or explosives against these three because:

a) he's fighting people who aren't bulletproof. Armor-Piercing ammo would be overdoing it.

b) Armor-piercing rounds won't be anymore effective against Wolverine because they would go right though his flesh and won't do a damned thing against his adamantium.

c) it would be more practical to stick to hollow-points than armor-piercing rounds, because they expand upon impact and usually stay lodged in the body, thus doing more damage.

d) Explosives compromise the lives of the X-Men, the lives of any bystanders, and possibly even the integrity of his surroundings. If it were a one-on-one fight with Wolverine, then it would be a different story and Frank could go to town with the explosives. You argue against that, and you ignore the character's principles.

Im really concerned with you saying he cant use that stuff because he doesnt want to kill.

Concerning their effectiveness and CIS you may have a point about armour pierecing bullets but as usual you assume your logic behind him not using explosives is sound logic without thinking why its not conclusive. Since you want to be argumentative you figure it out.

Punisher is good, no one is disputing that, but we're talking about the combined knowledge, combat experience, training (and X-men are extremely well trained) AND teamwork of -THREE- SUPER POWERED combatants against ONE man with a few guns and explosives and a bit of prep.

Is there even a question of who'll win here...? -_-

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Punisher is good, no one is disputing that, but we're talking about the combined knowledge, combat experience, training (and X-men are extremely well trained) AND teamwork of -THREE- SUPER POWERED combatants against ONE man with a few guns and explosives and a bit of prep.

Is there even a question of who'll win here...? -_-

Yes but as I stated earlier hes beaten Captain America with very little prep. All he did was snipe him, adding 3 weeks of prep plus help from Microchip and anybody else makes up for that.

It could also be argued that in terms of tactics hes better than Captain America.

Hes also survived a deathtrap from Dr Doom and hidden from him. Dr Doom was analysing probabilities and Punisher had to use tactics to escape from him and actually lured Dr Doom out of hiding.

Punisher and Microchip have also beaten three of The Reavers with something like an hour or at least several hours of prep. Punisher and Micro were unprepared. Three Reavers most likley would kill Beast and the very least give Wolverine one hell of a bad time.