Yeah... No.
Ultimecia's personal power is not described as being equivelant to Hyne's "weaker" half. The ENTIRE Sorceress Power is, you know? That thing she had to absorb in order for her to have the power to absorb the universe?
Allowing some speculation, Hyne is probably the single most powerful character in Final Fantasy.
Ultimecia did have all of the sorcerress power, given that she was the last sorceress left by her time she was the only place it could be. She had that whole half of him, and with it she still wasn't even an eigth as powerful as she became when she was absorbing all of spacetime.
Hyne is not as powerful as Chaos, TC Ultimecia, Exdeath with the Void, and probably the Cloud of Darkness, which is basically a feminine Neo Exdeath.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Ultimecia's personal power is not described as being equivelant to Hyne's "weaker" half. The ENTIRE Sorceress Power is, you know? That thing she had to absorb in order for her to have the power to absorb the universe?Allowing some speculation, Hyne is probably the single most powerful character in Final Fantasy.
I agree with this.
I'm afraid that Time Compression Ultimecia isn't as powerful as Hyne is.
Hyne is indeed one of the (if not the most) powerful being in the Final Fantasy Universe.
That makes no sense, given that he can't compress all of time and absorb the very fabric of reality. Nothing anywhere suggests he has any influence outside of the planet of FF VIII, much less that he could affect other universes as TC Ultimecia could do. He was defeated by mere humanity, not PIS, not super human warriors with GFs junctioned to them, a simple army of people with no magic to speak of. He only got away trhough trickery anyways. TC Ultimecia defeated the entire world through Time Compression alone, only a contrived plot device allowed her to be touchable and beaten, if it weren't for the silly "power of love and friendships" she would have defeated the universe without ever having to actually fight, placing her well above Hyne. Then there's still the fact that even with this entire half of his power, Ultimecia was millions of times weaker than she was in her Time Compression form.
That's a good point. We don't know what Hyne is capable of though, but if he has created humanity that's enough power to me. Hey, but the fact is that the Sorceress power is the half of his powers as is being said that he gave half of his body to the humanity and he ran away with the strong half. The team hadn't GFs junctioned nor Magic in the final battle, I remember that Ultimecia can easily destroy them, so is the same, an army composed by all the humanity is stronger than 6 teenagers warriors.
Time Compression Ultimecia not only had all the Sorceresses' power (Hyne's half body), she had also the Time, Space, the universe and almost all the existence in that point, considering that then yes, she was more powerful than Hyne, probably. In conclusion, Hyne created life, Ultimecia ended it.
"A complete mystery. Various states of "present" are believed to become compressed. Sorceress' power from many generations may cross over to give 1 sorceress great strength. No one knows what effect this may have on regular human beings."
—FFVIII Info Corner
This is the effect's description, and how Ultimecia was able to attain the entire Sorceress Power.
I used to think the same thing you do, that Ultimecia possessed the entire Sorceress Power to start, but SHM proved me wrong. Will find the quote. Assuming I muster the necessary will to give a shit.
Originally posted by NemeBro
thing you do, that Ultimecia possessed the entire Sorceress Power to start, but SHM proved me wrong. Will find the quote. Assuming I muster the necessary will to give a shit.
That reminds me of 25 qoutes I never went back to find to back my arguments 😐
Aside from that Hyne only gave up little less than half of his powers or weaker half, something of the sorts. Haven't played the game in a while especially considering I don't own a playstation anymore.
Ok, look at it this way. Time COmpression Ultimecia would have been the omnipotent ruler of her entire universe. All of it's space and time were becoming merely extensions of her. Hyne was not omnipotent, he fought many monsters that existed beyond his control in the universe and needed to create mankind to help him after he grew tired.
This again proves Ultimecia as the superior being.
Yes it does. Time COmpression is not a power of Hyne's, her base power was all done with his weaker half, but she ascended to exponentially higher levels of power. Then there's the fact that monsters don't have love and friendship to protect them, if Hyne didn't want to fight them and he was as powerful as Ultimecia he would have just time compressed and absorbed them.
Originally posted by fascistcrusaderLet me put it this way.
Yes it does. Time COmpression is not a power of Hyne's, her base power was all done with his weaker half, but she ascended to exponentially higher levels of power. Then there's the fact that monsters don't have love and friendship to protect them, if Hyne didn't want to fight them and he was as powerful as Ultimecia he would have just time compressed and absorbed them.
Shut the **** up and prove she had the entire weaker half of the Great Hyne at base.
Monsters existed in Time Compression. As we clearly saw.
Ultimecia was the last sorceress of her time, all sorceresses transfer there power to the next one. Because energy doesn't just disappear she had to have had the sum total of the sorceress power, it's impossible for her to not have it.
And monsters only existed before Ultimecia's absorption of the universe. At that point all reality, monsters included, were becoming a part of her.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
if Hyne didn't want to fight them and he was as powerful as Ultimecia he would have just time compressed and absorbed them.
Indeed, Hyne doesn't have the same abilities. But as far as I know he isn't an evil being or anything so why compare him to Ultimecia, why he would destroy the universe?
The Ultimania translations you gave me states this:
"Sorceresses
Said to have existed from time immemorial to the present day, the sorceresses
are women who are said to have received their powers from the old god, Hyne."
The potential to become a sorceress is determined by one's capacity to wield
such power -- their natural affinity for magic.
This could also mean that Ultimecia had that "capacity" to control such power.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
U-DO is the best thing Xenosaga has to offer, and it is confined to a single universe. Ultimecia and Exdeath can wipe out not just their universes, but most likely other universes through the Void and Time Compression/Reality Absorption. Then there's Chaos, who not only can but did destroy multiple universes keeping only the parts he wished, and was about to destroy the entire multiverse. FF takes this in a stomp.
Wrong on so many levels.
Canon says there are multiple universes in Xenosaga. U-DO exists in a higher domain while the main Xenosaga series takes place in a single lower domain ie. universe. There are other lower domains and thus other universes. U-DO exists above them all.
U-DO is also not alone. U-DO's power is confirmed to be infinite but guess what? Canon also says there are multiple beings in the higher domain . This means there are an unknown number of beings who can destroy universes no problem.
****, chaos and Wilhelm are universe destroyers and theri power is nothing to U-DO and his kind.
Ultimecia is nothing.
I was checking all this topic, and fascistcrusader put an image showing Xenosaga's universe, and it is very clear that universe is composed by different domains, but is just a single universe. U-DO seems to reside in a higher domain, not universe.
What U-DO can do? He can erase the universe? He can make the Past, Present and Future a single moment? he can absorb all the existence and affect other universes? He can destroy multiple universes? Because these are fews of the feats that Ultimecia, ExDeath and Chaos can do. I think the U.R.T.Vs are enough to handle U-DO.
Chaos is an universe destroyer?! What?!
Ultimecia can solo.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
I was checking all this topic, and fascistcrusader put an image showing Xenosaga's universe, and it is very clear that universe is composed by different domains, but is just a single universe. U-DO seems to reside in a higher domain, not universe.
What U-DO can do? He can erase the universe? He can make the Past, Present and Future a single moment? he can absorb all the existence and affect other universes? He can destroy multiple universes? Because these are fews of the feats that Ultimecia, ExDeath and Chaos can do. I think the U.R.T.Vs are enough to handle U-DO.Chaos is an universe destroyer?! What?!
Ultimecia can solo.
I dunno about Xenosaga's universe and domains but I do know that chaos at full power can destroy the universe (or at least the lower domain) by simply existing. He's the universe's failsafe and his power had to be divided.