Sephiroth vs Link

In the same sense that a sword doesn't reach it's maximum speed until it's in full swing, which proves nothing for you, the tip enters motion at the same time it's handle is manipulated, this isn't an attack, once Majora has is going to attack he cracks the whip and it strikes at super sonic speed. If you watch any one use a whip they keep it in motion, so really, yes Link reacted to the attack before the sound of it could reach him.

Things Link could do to Sephiroth? There;s very little Link can't do to Sephiroth.

The art of attacking with a whip is to space and make sure it is the tip that makes contact. That is where the damage and power is built up.

That is what Majora is attacking and focusing to hit Link with.

In dry air at 20 °C (68 °F), the speed of sound is 330 meters per second (1,083 ft/s). This equates to 1,235 kilometers per hour (767 mph) or about one mile in five seconds.

Since Link is probably only about 15 to 20 feet away from the whips at the time Majora uses them, its clear they're already reaching the speed of sound at almost any given moment, and then the tip breaks the sound barrier (THAT means the end result is going faster then the speed of sound) That delayed 'crack' you here from whips, is just that. It's delayed sound. The whip is already retracting before the 'crack' is produced because sound is trying to catch up with it. That's what it means by breaking the sound barrier.

So the whip at any given time is already going as fast the speed of sound, if not already going faster then the speed of sound, then the tip is reached. It attempts to hit Link, he evades or dodges, or even Shields. The whip retracts. The sound barrier is broken. Link was able to react at incoming speeds of sound, faster then the speed of sound, then the end result of the whip breaking the sound barrier, thus going faster then the above stated speeds. Meaning Link is able to react to speeds already going fast enough, to be faster then the speed of sound.

I know that's a lot of jumbled words but just re-read it a few times and it's really easy stuff. Common sense. (or in this day in age pretty rare sense.)

Any way. Here we are, micromanaging the debate.
Had to debunk the Omnislash & Omnislash V5 being physical.
Link's strength feat if it is Granite or not which isn't relevant to the strength feat.
Now Link's reflex, agility and speed reaction time.

So if we could kindly set these aside, since I don't feel like being your physics tutor all day. (which is why I reserved myself from posting and going into formula's provided) I should also state that the air, condition and density of being in the moon at the altitude in which the fight takes place would be around the same speed it takes for when F-18s or other Jets break the sound barrier. Because sound's speed is relative to where it is taking place, i.e. sound is faster under water.

Alright so, after you can understand those things we'll move on and try to sort what Link can actually do against Sephiroth. Which at this moment he is still a Composite and Amalgam legal Link, until the original poster of the thread restricts him other wise. Everything will be canon based on ALL his abilities/items/weapons/armor and so on, I reassure you.

Voy, I've only been using OoT Link, a composite Link would spite Seph into the ground.

well, I'll be using a Legend of Zelda 2: Adventure of Link mostly.

so go figure, until the TS says other wise it is fair game :3

I did, and i know.

Good.

Originally posted by Terryc250
I did, and i know.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Good.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
In the same sense that a sword doesn't reach it's maximum speed until it's in full swing, which proves nothing for you, the tip enters motion at the same time it's handle is manipulated, this isn't an attack, once Majora has is going to attack he cracks the whip and it strikes at super sonic speed. If you watch any one use a whip they keep it in motion, so really, yes Link reacted to the attack before the sound of it could reach him.

Things Link could do to Sephiroth? There;s very little Link can't do to Sephiroth.

And the fight was entirely gameplay, you cannot claim Link dodged every one of his whips, for all we know he got struck and just blocked a bunch of them with his shield.

What can Link do to Sephiroth?

The art of attacking with a whip is to space and make sure it is the tip that makes contact. That is where the damage and power is built up.

That is what Majora is attacking and focusing to hit Link with.

In dry air at 20 °C (68 °F), the speed of sound is 330 meters per second (1,083 ft/s). This equates to 1,235 kilometers per hour (767 mph) or about one mile in five seconds.

Since Link is probably only about 15 to 20 feet away from the whips at the time Majora uses them, its clear they're already reaching the speed of sound at almost any given moment, and then the tip breaks the sound barrier (THAT means the end result is going faster then the speed of sound) That delayed 'crack' you here from whips, is just that. It's delayed sound. The whip is already retracting before the 'crack' is produced because sound is trying to catch up with it. That's what it means by breaking the sound barrier.

So the whip at any given time is already going as fast the speed of sound, if not already going faster then the speed of sound, then the tip is reached. It attempts to hit Link, he evades or dodges, or even Shields. The whip retracts. The sound barrier is broken. Link was able to react at incoming speeds of sound, faster then the speed of sound, then the end result of the whip breaking the sound barrier, thus going faster then the above stated speeds. Meaning Link is able to react to speeds already going fast enough, to be faster then the speed of sound.

I know that's a lot of jumbled words but just re-read it a few times and it's really easy stuff. Common sense. (or in this day in age pretty rare sense.)

Any way. Here we are, micromanaging the debate.
Had to debunk the Omnislash & Omnislash V5 being physical.
Link's strength feat if it is Granite or not which isn't relevant to the strength feat.
Now Link's reflex, agility and speed reaction time.

So if we could kindly set these aside, since I don't feel like being your physics tutor all day. (which is why I reserved myself from posting and going into formula's provided) I should also state that the air, condition and density of being in the moon at the altitude in which the fight takes place would be around the same speed it takes for when F-18s or other Jets break the sound barrier. Because sound's speed is relative to where it is taking place, i.e. sound is faster under water.

Alright so, after you can understand those things we'll move on and try to sort what Link can actually do against Sephiroth. Which at this moment he is still a Composite and Amalgam legal Link, until the original poster of the thread restricts him other wise. Everything will be canon based on ALL his abilities/items/weapons/armor and so on, I reassure you.

You didn't debunk anything, you even think Omnislash and OmnislashV5 are the same thing, no one claimed the Omnislash in FF7 was non-physical. OmnislashV5 CLEARLY is non-physical. You're only excuse is that "The movie isnt rated R!!" Which is just silly, you clearly see Clouds entire body pass through him, how do you explain that?

And no, your link is not a canon link. Just like if you go to Comic book versus forum. If someone says "Captain America" do any of the debators create some Amalgan Captain America, which contains all the powers of Captain America from the Ultimate universe, Zombie Universe, What If universe, 616 Universe, and from the movies? No. Because thers no such Captain America, its not canon.

Dude, no character in any comic book is ever canon.
To many authors and writers.

Comic book Versus actually exists? like...that's pain in the ass. Dr Manhattan is probably banned. haha

Just let this little kid win Scream. Anyone who wants to take the time to read through the thread and see the actual outcome will notice it, we'll be talking about the same bull shit over and over with him.

"Omnislash (V5) being physical."
"Whips and sound barrier."
"Granite."

Seeing from his last post shows he doesn't even read what I type, or if he does, he has a hard time with comprehension, because half the stuff I apparently have said and done, I can't recall. I must off been sleep typing again. oh and Final Fantasy fan, you should know that in the movie that isn't Omnislash V5. Square Enix themselves officially said it was v5.0. or some bs.

If your attempts are to just drill over the same thing over and over, over, over, over, over, and over and over and over again to win debates. then it works. So I'll feed your E-ego and let some one else deal with your juvenile mind set. You're not a challenge or a good debater. And I know you'll reply to this by saying "lol mad cus you cantz debunk meh lololol" But that is far from the point obviously. I could debunk you, but you'll just bring up the same stuff over and over. You won't listen to reason and it just makes it dull. That Kain kid knows a thing or two, you should look at how he utilizes his characters powers. Until you learn your character is beatable and not the best, and that it is okay to lose, you will not get any where and I feel bad for people around you since it's a trait that carries over into real life sadly. I use to be young too, heh.

Originally posted by SpadeKing
I just already gave up cause i noticed I was arguing against a guy who is basically dedicated to grey fox 😐

Originally posted by niduin
oh come one guys thats not fair, sure i think fox is a bad ass and is a really cool character, but that doesnt mean that i wont listen to reason, if you give up on the forum let it be because you dont have any other arguments not because you think i wont give up cuz if you prove me wrong i will admit to it

kek, peace :]

Haha, the great part is he's arguing how it works, a whip is never allowed to rest in a position it can't be cracked from, Majora's no slouch and cracked those whips everytime. The tip enters motion as soon as the handle does, the general movement forms an arc or "loop" which a slight tug cracks, it's basic, and effective, there's noway to know where the whip is going until it's cracked, Link dodged and reacted in that time frame, as a child.

Besides which point Seph has no strength, Link can shrug off any hits he does get in, if any, and his sword is utter anathema to Sephiroth, getting close = gettign sworded and death.

Anyway, I'm done with this thread, the winner is obvious. Until Sephiroth shows can he even hurt Link [I want evidence] I'm out.

Majora used 2 whips no less, both maybe 40 feet long...yeah...try justifying to yourself that 'its only tips!' and 'easy to predict' from there.

Link wins.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Majora used 2 whips no less, both maybe 40 feet long...yeah...try justifying to yourself that 'its only tips!' and 'easy to predict' from there.

Link wins.

Lol, they were so long you were literally ALWAYS in reach, too. So there was no "get out of range!"

Just an fyi if AC isn't canon then Sephiroth wasn't defeated by Omnislash V5 which has been stated several times by the creators to be an attack using GREAT SPIRITUAL ENERGY (The Lifestream).

So basically a its like a Kamehameha(sp?) except swords and a person representing the blast itself and being concentrated on a single target.

The omnislash posted by Voyuer is not the same one as in AC (hence it isn't called Omnislash V5). Remember Omnislash can only be used if Sephiroth toys with Cloud first If he were to just slice through his sword and his head Cloud wouldn't be able to use it.
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A whip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki7kS68mmGs

A whips crack: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=true-cause-of-whips-crack

I see your logic about how since link can dodge something breaking the sound barrier he can dodge at twice the speed of sound (The maximum speed of a whip). But it could also be said that link isn't dodging the whip itself he is dodging the general area in which it is going, if you anticipate something you can always dodge it, and you can easily anticipate the swing of a whip ans possible two. However if you can show me the link vs mojora(?) battle where he uses the whip(I had a quick look on youtube) then I could stop using real world examples and use the proper game example! =D

Anyway so what if link can dodge and move at the speed of sound? Sephiroth could easily have sliced the whip in half during mid swing. This is Sephiroth fighting off the only two people who are as close to as fast and strong as him and he is barely trying. They are doing around 3 swings a second and Sephiroth blocks them with ease. at 0:54-0:55 you can see the speed at which Sephiroth can fight at, and he isn't trying.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/927409/crisis_core_genesis_angeal_vs_sephiroth/

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Does link have defense against any kind of Illusion that Sephiroth could bring about? You have stated he has defense agains Telekenisis but Illusions?
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Illusions sounds like narutard ninja bull shit and if this is really where the match will be leaning into, then ...*rolls eyes*

Edit: by the way the that doesn't mean Link actually can't defeat illusions and such because it's as simple as activating the power of the Lens of Truth.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
Just an fyi if AC isn't canon then Sephiroth wasn't defeated by Omnislash V5 which has been stated several times by the creators to be an attack using GREAT SPIRITUAL ENERGY (The Lifestream).

using great spiritual energy as in the sense, that is what he is using beyond his attack. The source of the power and speed, and so on, I'm guessing why Cloud can semi-fly during it. It doesn't say the attack literally becomes the spiritual energy, it just fuels it. So its still the multiple slashes, physical hits with a sword. Unless it says other wise. I still think the scene is just greatly a cliche anime moment.

xD I don't know much about Naruto but I do know Sephiroth used Illusions on several occasions to make people (i.e to Barret and Tifa) do things for him.

Ah yes the lens of truth (I don't know much about link but I can google!) would stop any Illusion that Seph could create.

Can Link fly? (in a combat situation?)

and no Link can not fly. He doesn't need to though. I just see Link playing the defensive and relying on reflex to wait for Sephiroth. Or they just camp and wait it out.

But I posted that Link would be able to cast a Jump Spell on himself, and there is an item called the Roc's Feather that increases Jumping ability, so there's a stack. And I guess with hover boots on (But then he'd have to have them on the whole time, which isn't a problem but we'll have to clarify and state that for certain and agree to it by other people) With that all in mind, I suppose for short intervals Link could glide, pseudo fly. If not be able to Spring up into the air extremely high.

Dude, no character in any comic book is ever canon.
To many authors and writers.

There was no statement saying stating Link has defense against Telekinesis, that was just something this guy made up because Ganon didn't use it in their fight. But that happens with many many games, where plot and gameplay limit antagonist characters, take example for soul reaver 2, Kain didn't use TK against Raziel and TK is one of Kains main assets.

And this your "Link can dodge the speed of sound' is just soooo stupid that it's funny.

Legitely dodging the speed of sound is when a character is standing still, and the speed of sound is coming at him, and he moves out of the way, dodging that. Do you have ANY proof of Link dodging the speed of sound? No. The only thing you have is that Link fought a guy using whips, that's ridiculous. If i fought a guy using whips and i beat him up, can i state my reflex' is above "dodge the speed of sound" ?

The basic way to use a whip is to,
Pull your arm back
Throw your arm forward
Then snap your arm back.

Thus all the momentum in the whip builds and whiplashes the RED area to break the speed of sound. Link has ALL the time and can see the arm movement, and anticipate/dodge accordingly. That my friend, is NOT legitimately dodging the speed of sound.

And once again, we don't actually get to see the canon fight, it's ALL GAMEPLAY. For all we know, Link got hit by alot of them, and blocked most of them with his shield.

posted several versions. Omnislash, Omnislash V5 and Also Dissidia is Square Enix, so it's all their stuff. And that version of Omnislash V5 clearly shows it's a physical attack as well. The move thus is canon. But in the Advent Children movie it is a considered a different Omnislash from V5.

But really, stop throwing temper tantrums, it's annoying. Provide some actual evidence, no, REAL evidence, if you can i'll accept it. Not just some BS crap you made up that's filled with holes.

What's funny is, even if he can dodge 3x the speed of sound, Link would still get TK'd and crushed by the NL. Once again i've asked many times now, so what can Link do to Sephiroth?

Originally posted by Voyeur
And I know you'll reply to this by saying "lol mad cus you cantz debunk meh lololol" But that is far from the point obviously. I could debunk you, but you'll just bring up the same stuff over and over. You won't listen to reason and it just makes it dull.

Originally posted by Terryc250
But really, stop throwing temper tantrums, it's annoying. Provide some actual evidence, no, REAL evidence, if you can i'll accept it. Not just some BS crap you made up that's filled with holes.

Oh and all of Legend of Zelda fights are basically through gameplay, there are not cutscenes where battles take place. It is up to the player and game play, so obviously everyone should know that. But just because it is gameplay and because the Legend of Zelda games don't show long, useless cut scenes to take away from the actual fight at hand, I don't see where one can't use common sense and the ability of deduction skills would come into play and see clearly certain things.

If you're number one defense is going to be "LoZ games don't have cutscene proof" then yeah, you're right and also are narrow minded. Legend of Zelda didn't start having long cut scenes until they moved to CD in Twilight Princess because of the cartirdge era. But, what ever. I can clearly go beyond those restrictions and see where common knowledge meets Canon boss, and just because its gameplay wouldn't mean that the opponent is capable of the obvious, thus making Link have to deal with that.

lol @ Terry's whip defense, the way a whip is used means you cannot know where the tip is going until the loop is tugged out. /win.

@Killer spiritual energy does not = nonphysical damage. In your own example of a kamehameha the damage is obviously physical. Alot of Link's attacks use spiritual energy aswell. It's a hallmark of video games.

Originally posted by Voyeur
Proving me right. I even predicted what you'd say, how simple. Wow, just wow. Proving what I said two times already in my posts. You're not worth debating with. It's like religion with you. You repeat the same shit. I won't even bother explaining to you what I meant about comic characters being non canon, that obviously went WAY over your head. So I'll let your useless rant stand and not embarrass you.

Oh and all of Legend of Zelda fights are basically through gameplay, there are not cutscenes where battles take place. It is up to the player and game play, so obviously everyone should know that. But just because it is gameplay and because the Legend of Zelda games don't show long, useless cut scenes to take away from the actual fight at hand, I don't see where one can't use common sense and the ability of deduction skills would come into play and see clearly certain things.

If you're number one defense is going to be "LoZ games don't have cutscene proof" then yeah, you're right and also are narrow minded. Legend of Zelda didn't start having long cut scenes until they moved to CD in Twilight Princess because of the cartirdge era. But, what ever. I can clearly go beyond those restrictions and see where common knowledge meets Canon boss, and just because its gameplay wouldn't mean that the opponent is capable of the obvious, thus making Link have to deal with that. [/B]

What kind of common sense tells you "fighting guy with a whip = dodging all the whip attacks" ? Only a fanboys. You need actual EVIDENCE to claim such a thing.

lol @ Terry's whip defense, the way a whip is used means you cannot know where the tip is going until the loop is tugged out. /win.

How can you say it's phsyical when you clearly see 6 Clouds passing THROUGH him? Do you really think those 6 Clouds are physical? If it was physical then going right through him is impossible, he would have to go beside him. But did he? No.

Once again - what can Link do to Sephiroth? And how is Link going to survive the NL? Or being stopped by Sephiroths TK?

You've never bashed me and I've never bashed you. But I have critiqued how you debate because it's monotomous. I'm not talking about the characters any more cos all you want to talk about is the things I stated above. Limited but not restricted too..

"Granite"
"Whip"
"Omnislash Physical"
and now
"Game mechanics"
"Canon"

not one of these things have been out of the last several or more posts of yours. I'm saving myself the trouble of even bothering talking about Link because these are the only things you want to go on about and forcing us to try and prove to how simple it is to see other wise. And why bother telling you what Link can do? By your own thoughts and standards Link is restricted to slashing his sword horizontal and vertical because Link can only do what he is capable of in Cut scenes.

So we should just post all of Link's cut scenes vs Sephiroth's cut scenes and who ever is shown doing more wins. Cool.

*rolls eyes* :]

A lot of what Link does is through gameplay and game mechanics. But if we go by your standards our Link translation of that can only use B button, A button, R and Z, with some C-sticking. You have to go beyond the game in these discussions, that much is obvious. So if Link fought these monsters, it'd be pretty clear that he could of also dodged those attacks, instead of your deduction of just saying he shielded and got hit. See it goes both ways? See why I don't want to bother with you. It's all stamp stamp stamp, narrow mind. So, no point.

and I'm sure I'll get another "lol omfg tantrum" reply, which I really could care less. You're restricting yourself to your views, your perceptions, instead of what other evidence is out there. It's like I said, trying to talk to some one about their religion. No way can anyone convert one to not believe in God, and they'll always say "the bible says." This is the equivalence of what is happening now. And time and time again has proven to not bother talking about religion or politics.