Black Bolt vs Thor

Originally posted by Starscream M
perhaps I'm getting the idea of CIS wrong. How do you define CIS?

basically in our world, the armed forces (especially the marines) try to strip the "CIS" that every man/woman has to turn them into the perfect combatant.

without CIS, guys would be sooner bfr'd over actually engaging them with fisticuffs, and at the same time preventing themselves from being bfr'd ...you get the picture.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
CIS doesn't cover just inhibitions, it's also how a character fights.

Thor with bloodlust isn't going to stark breaking out the hundreds of powers he's been shown to have just because he's now not holding back.

CIS and Bloodlust are not mutually exclusive.

batman rather hit a woman in the face then use a pistol in cold blood.

Does CIS even relate to characters like Thor or Blackbolt?

Here is bada's definition:

"Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates."

his choice of rhino and jar jar lead me to think CIS is only applicable to seriously mentally deficient characters.

that definition isn't all encompassing since guys like blackbolt and batman are not dumb at all, they just have a code of ethics and/or responsibility over their actions that they took years to hone.

secret invasion: war of kings 1 shot, blackbolt used a weapon built by maximus that could channel his powers, maximus had that shit stored there for years and also had the know how to create it if they got into trouble.

a combo of blackbolt + that weaponry + lockjaw + maximus leading a team of alpha primitives (to re build the machine in modules) could take out the skrull homeworld, the shi'ar etc. in ...a month. but blackbolt isn't a genicidal maniac now is he.

Bloodlust means that a character is willing to do whatever it takes to kill.
It doesn't mean that a character is less tactical and more bestial. On the other hand it actually means that the character is a lot more tactical since the character has more options to choose from. Characters retain their full wits but with an added absence of mental blocks.

Originally posted by h1a8
Bloodlust means that a character is willing to do whatever it takes to kill.
It doesn't mean that a character is less tactical and more bestial. On the other hand it actually means that the character is a lot more tactical since the character has more options to choose from. Characters retain their full wits but with an added absence of mental blocks.

Originally posted by Mekrob
What instance? Would this be when he teleports?

His spun his hammer at faster than light speeds on different occasions and he has done it near instantly in the past.

Yes, one such time is when he travels through time and when he teleports.

Originally posted by Mekrob
Ya, and hasn't shown the attitude to create a Godblast, or a vortex. Irrelevant.

What I mean is that, Thor isn't the same Thor he was in the past. He isn't one for long winded speeches before every attack anymore.

Originally posted by Mekrob
Inside his vortex? It was describing that he actually builds up speed faster and faster to create the shield vortex to encompass the 1/5 universe destroying blast...

You're point? He has created vortex's by spinning his hammer around instantly, and that's all. He doesn't have to constantly keep spinning. He even had time to contact Odin, and ask him to remove the enchantments from his hammer.

He can create a vortex, and he would have plenty of time use the God Blast or any other attacks once he is in his vortex.

Originally posted by Mekrob
At least I'm glad we have Thor now taking cover so he can use his Godblast... as well as a more powerful Thor using methods that he would never use to defeat Black Bolt. Guess Black Bolt is pretty tuff.

That's what I said when I said Thor using his God Blast is a viable option. He would need to create a vortex for a powerful God Blast like the one he used against the Celestial Brain Dome.

Throw in the fact that he can create vortex's that are intangible or invisible, and he has all the time in the world plus that surprise factor.

He doesn't need the God Blast, to win. He can certainly win, without it and would win without using it.

Originally posted by Mekrob
Right... anyway, CIS is on.

With CIS on, Black Bolt using his scream etc. isn't going to happen very likely.

Originally posted by Mekrob
Before it gets said, there's a difference between attacks that Thor has to concentrate on and never creates, and BB simply opening his mouth more of an attack he uses regularly.

More of an attack that he uses regularly?

I don't think Black Bolt has ever screamed in his entire career (A whisper, a word or two spoken is the most, even when pissed off.).

Thor on the other hand, has used the God Blast, on at least 3 occasions, and he has created vortex's multiple times on multiple occasions. He doesn't have to concentrate to create them.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
With CIS on, Black Bolt using his scream etc. isn't going to happen very likely.

He probably will speak.

It'll still be faster and a more immediate option than Thor choosing to do something that he hasn't displayed the will to do since his resurrection.

Even prior to that, what you're suggesting wasn't often used. Now Thor has a brand new attitude and is evidently even less likely to go that route.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
He probably won't scream.

He probably will speak.

It'll still be faster and a more immediate option than Thor choosing to do something that he hasn't displayed the will to do since his resurrection.

Even prior to that, what you're suggesting wasn't often used. Now Thor has a brand new attitude and is evidently even less likely to go that route.

Speak? That is a possibility.

Are you suggesting that Thor cannot do the God Blast or something along those lines?

I highly doubt that. Classic Thor rarely used it, and Current Thor had only one challenge, and that was Bor, since his resurrection.

Thor's brand new attitude shows that he is wiser, and less arrogant, but more willing to do what is necessary. In my opinion it is more likely he will utilize his exotic power set, and use the power at his disposal such as the Odin Force more so than before.

Thor using the God Blast, is a valid option.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Speak? That is a possibility.

Are you suggesting that Thor cannot do the God Blast or something along those lines?

I highly doubt that. Classic Thor rarely used it, and Current Thor had only one challenge, and that was Bor, since his resurrection.

I don't think he will, and I know he won't in a faster span of time than Black Bolt can speak.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor's brand new attitude shows that he is wiser, and less arrogant, but more willing to do what is necessary. In my opinion it is more likely he will utilize his exotic power set, and use the power at his disposal such as the Odin Force more so than before.

Thor using the God Blast, is a valid option.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
I never said "couldn't".

I was asking to clarify.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
I don't think he will, and I know he won't in a faster span of time than Black Bolt can speak.

Who ever said that?

If Thor put his power in his hammer, and whips it at Black Bolt at faster than light speeds(Desak the Destroyer style.), it would be a quick win but that isn't likely. Probably not before Black Bolt can speak.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
In my opinion it is more likely that Superman will spontaneously explode with pink flames than defeat his enemies.

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I was asking to clarify.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Who ever said that?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
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Just baseless supposition.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Good think I clarified then, eh?

One could say that.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
One would think that if the godblast is suggested as a tactic, then the suggester would believe that Thor is capable of pulling it off in time, yes?

Hence the vortex. It would give him more than ample time to utilize the God Blast.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
The point is that "In my opinion" isn't really relevant when the comics don't back you up.

Just baseless supposition.

It's not baseless. Thor has gone through a great deal, since his classic incarnation, and has shown that if pushed he is willing to use the Odin Force even against a fellow Asgardian.

Thor is not the same Thor. He has the memories of King Thor, he was directly responsible in breaking the cycle by causing Ragnarok and the people he loved and as he stated, he isn't one to hold back like he did.

It's not baseless at all.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Hence the vortex. It would give him more than ample time to utilize the God Blast.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor is not the same Thor.

Until you have proof that his first choice would be to use a vortex/god blast/whatever, then anything else is simply supposition.

Hmmm. How would you all rate these attacks:

1) Black Bolt's whisper.
2) Black Bolt's spoken word.
3) Destroyer's disintegration beam.
4) Bor's unleashed godpower.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Hmmm. How would you all rate these attacks:

1) Black Bolt's whisper.
2) Black Bolt's spoken word.
3) Destroyer's disintegration beam.
4) Bor's unleashed godpower.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
I'd point out that even that could take more time than Black Bolt speaking, but current Thor has shown no indication that he'd even consider that as a tactic.

Thor knows what Black Bolt can do, and seeing as how Thor know has all the memories of his past lives (Thousands and thousands of years of experience added to his own long live.), that is a tactically sound move.

He has shown using it as a defense in the past as it is a logical option.

Thor is much more likely to use vortex to defend himself, to channel his God Blast than Black Bolt is screaming.

Thor is a master tactician etc. If I can think of it as a sound option, then Thor has considered before.

Thor can do it, and has done it, so hence it's a viable option. To say that he won't is more speculative than saying he will.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Exactly.

Until you have proof that his first choice would be to use a vortex/god blast/whatever, then anything else is simply supposition.

God....

I never said that the first move Thor will use is his God Blast, but I did say that it's a valid option that should still be considered.

If Thor is blood lusted or is out for the kill from the start, then a God Blast will be a valid choice as the first form of attack he will use though.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Hmmm. How would you all rate these attacks:

1) Black Bolt's whisper.
2) Black Bolt's spoken word.
3) Destroyer's disintegration beam.
4) Bor's unleashed godpower.

1) Bor's unleashed God Power
2) Destroyer's disintegration beam
3) Black Bolt's spoken word
4) Black Bolt's whisper

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Thor can do it, and has done it, so hence it's a viable option. To say that he won't is more speculative than saying he will.

iirc, his only instances of godblast were against generally stationary targets