Originally posted by HewhoknowsallThe U.S. Last I read in the paper, the American stockpile is over 5,000, outnumbering all the others combined. The next big one is Russia at 3,700, and after that it's the U.K. at like 200.
4. And about the conquer 1 nuclear nation and you'll win idea, does having the nuclear arsenal of ONE nation somehow make you able to "out-nuclear" ALL of the other nuclear nations? Sure you could threaten them, but they could threaten you too, with much more nukes.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
[B]OK then 🙂@Nai:
1. Snow speeders =/= bombers. The speeders were right in front of the AT-AT and only moved at around mach 1. Bombers are way high up in the air (the AT-AT's turret probably can't even aim at it!) and move faster than mach 1.
The snow speeders move with an attack speed (modified T-47 if you want to check) of Mach 1. A B-2 Spirit has a max. speed of Mach 0.95. And actually, such a B2 Spirit is roughly 4 times longer and 10 times wider than a snowspeeder, making it a better target.
2. Read the jedi mind trick thingy.
Vader is a Sith Lord. They use invasive techniques like dominate mind, control mind or similar stuff. They don't care about mind tricks (which are the nice thing to do). And the former, as already pointed out, even works on Jedi...
3. If they burn down SOME of the cities, that means that those that they DON'T burn down they'll have to keep troops in.
Why would they? You're operating under the idea, that the population will still stay in the cities. Which wouldn't happen. If you hear that the Imperials have glassed another city, will you stay at home when hearing in the news that they are now coming to your hometown? Most certainly not. Hence they don't have to leave troops anywhere.
4. And about the conquer 1 nuclear nation and you'll win idea, does having the nuclear arsenal of ONE nation somehow make you able to "out-nuclear" ALL of the other nuclear nations? Sure you could threaten them, but they could threaten you too, with much more nukes.
Yes. The point is that Vader doesn't care about killing millions of people, because he is a Sith Lord - and his opponents, according to you, will know that. So they can try to threat him, but Vader can threat them more effectively. It would be like playing poker against somebody who has the better cards, which you know, but you still have to defeat him.
And even if they should use those weapons: Vader can't lose much in such a scenario. He will just deliver the first nuclear strike and whatever might come as an answer (which means: Nuking innocent people in order to hit Vader) could be avoided.
5. You still haven't explained how they get across the sea.
Firstly: The could simply capture ships.
Secondly: They don't exactly need to get across the see because, if they should get access to nuclear weapons, they could just blackmail the rest of the world into submission.
In the end, it's half a million people waging war on 6 billion people. The Empire will certainly do a lot of damage, but eventually they'll get worn down by attrition. Eventually.
Urm. Actually, that is assuming that every human being could come up with defense against him. The US Army features 1 million soldiers - an this is the military force of a country with 300 million inhabitants. Assuming this ratio of 300:1 (population😖oldiers) for all people on earth, they will just face 20 million soldiers - scattered over the entire planet.
And this with far superior technology (armor / weapons / vehicles). So unless many countries team up on them or they simply get nuked, they will still conquer countries one by one. End of story.
Wow Nai! You're being nicer now!
1. They're still up high in the sky, and the AT-ATs can't shoot that high. And what about jet fighters? They travel much faster.
2. So that's a paradox: it didn't work on a guard but DID work on a Jedi...I'm not sure which example is correct...
4. If the population went into the countryside like what you said, then all they'd have to do is to nuke the bases that the Empire set up.
5. The countries could bring all military ships into the ocean, and then the Empire would have to capture regular civilian ships, which couldn't hold AT-ATs and would get blasted apart by the world's navies.
6. So they win? Because no offense, but I remember you (and others) claimed that this is a spite thread against the Empire because I twisted it.
But, to be honest, I'm getting less and less sure about my opinion...but I still think that Earth will win.
Imps win... lasers travel at the speed of light right? that was what I believed. anyways.. nuke the imps, vader grabs them, throws them back, uses some epic force push and blows all low flying planes, tanks, and other vehicles back, maybe destroying them. Atsts and atats are immune to bullets but probably not bombs (speculating here). Their lasers can demolish any tank or car. I don't see how the Empire looses.
What else do they have? TIEs? TIES are awesome. u just have to know how to use them. The reason the imps missed Han, Luke, Leia etc was because Lucas made them miss. If they actually got them, there would be no story. In reality, they would be alot more accurate, and the armor actually helps. see 501st working with Luke Skywalker in the thrawn triology, or was it the Cboath crisis? i forgot but the armor had dents and stuff in them, but the stormtroopers were still alive.
OK sry if this post looked like a mess.. lol
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallThe "coulda, shoulda, woulda" approach is very hard to use accurately. For example: Earth COULD evacuate all it's citizens out of nuke's way. Earth SHOULD sacrifice a small portion of their population in order to save the planet. Earth's countries WOULD all work together and cooperate nicely... I'll let that one speak for itself.
Wow Nai! You're being nicer now!1. They're still up high in the sky, and the AT-ATs can't shoot that high. And what about jet fighters? They travel much faster.
2. So that's a paradox: it didn't work on a guard but DID work on a Jedi...I'm not sure which example is correct...
4. If the population went into the countryside like what you said, then all they'd have to do is to nuke the bases that the Empire set up.
5. The countries could bring all military ships into the ocean, and then the Empire would have to capture regular civilian ships, which couldn't hold AT-ATs and would get blasted apart by the world's navies.
6. So they win? Because no offense, but I remember you (and others) claimed that this is a spite thread against the Empire because I twisted it.
But, to be honest, I'm getting less and less sure about my opinion...but I still think that Earth will win.
And do stop victimizing yourself.
Originally posted by kotorfan
Imps win... lasers travel at the speed of light right? that was what I believed. anyways.. nuke the imps, vader grabs them, throws them back, uses some epic force push and blows all low flying planes, tanks, and other vehicles back, maybe destroying them. Atsts and atats are immune to bullets but probably not bombs (speculating here). Their lasers can demolish any tank or car. I don't see how the Empire looses.What else do they have? TIEs? TIES are awesome. u just have to know how to use them. The reason the imps missed Han, Luke, Leia etc was because Lucas made them miss. If they actually got them, there would be no story. In reality, they would be alot more accurate, and the armor actually helps. see 501st working with Luke Skywalker in the thrawn triology, or was it the Cboath crisis? i forgot but the armor had dents and stuff in them, but the stormtroopers were still alive.
OK sry if this post looked like a mess.. lol
I don't think that the SW blasters move at the speed of light...watch them in the movies and you'll see them traveling slowly. And there's a lot of Vader fanboyism there.
Ties are starfighters, and in the opening post I stated no air/space support for the empire. Lucas made them miss? So then it shouldn't be factored in? Fine then: Lucas only made them have guns cause otherwise it would be boring. So Earth wins because we shouldn't factor in the fact that the imperials had guns. In reality, the force wouldn't exist, nor would SW itself. SW isn't 100% scientific fact (sound in space???)
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The "coulda, shoulda, woulda" approach is very hard to use accurately. For example: Earth COULD evacuate all it's citizens out of nuke's way. Earth SHOULD sacrifice a small portion of their population in order to save the planet. Earth's countries WOULD all work together and cooperate nicely... I'll let that one speak for itself.And do stop victimizing yourself.
You didn't even read what I was responding to. Nai said that the imperials wouldn't have to leave behind troops because the civilians would've fled. So there's 2 possibilities:
The civilians stay, forcing the imperials to divert their limited troops into a garrison for each/most cities, thus reducing their numbers.
The civilians flee, denying Vader the ability to use them as hostages.
Either way, Earth gets an advantage.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallOr the Imperials kill them.
You didn't even read what I was responding to. Nai said that the imperials wouldn't have to leave behind troops because the civilians would've fled. So there's 2 possibilities:The civilians stay, forcing the imperials to divert their limited troops into a garrison for each/most cities, thus reducing their numbers.
The civilians flee, denying Vader the ability to use them as hostages.
Either way, Earth gets an advantage.
Or the civilians bow to down to space invaders with lasers and ethereal powers. I know what I'd be doing.
Why would the Empire even WANT to invade Earth? Our technology is ancient by their standards (even though this is in the past) and we don't offer that many resources. Also, pulling all of their forces to attack Earth would leave them exposed to a rebel uprising, so they must gather their fleet in order to retain a grip on the galaxy.
Originally posted by The GroundFor something to do?
Why would the Empire even WANT to invade Earth? Our technology is ancient by their standards (even though this is in the past) and we don't offer that many resources. Also, pulling all of their forces to attack Earth would leave them exposed to a rebel uprising, so they must gather their fleet in order to retain a grip on the galaxy.
And 500,000 soldiers isn't much for the Empire. Every time a Star Destroyer is destroyed with all hands, they lose 37,000.
Of course the Empire would win, Darth Vader is basically an anti air unit also. As long as the Empire worked progressively they would eliminate ground forces, as long as it was early enough in the reign of the Empire. Plus our ground forces are not trained by the iron will of the Emperor, they are well disciplined.
Originally posted by Higilo
Of course the Empire would win, Darth Vader is basically an anti air unit also. As long as the Empire worked progressively they would eliminate ground forces, as long as it was early enough in the reign of the Empire. Plus our ground forces are not trained by the iron will of the Emperor, they are well disciplined.
Originally posted by Higilo
ICBMs would not be used to wipe out Darth Vader, they are only used to destroy large forces and settlements, not Darth Vader and however many stormtroopers he has with him. And yes Darth Vaders force reserves could easily destroy fighters, and he could easily deflect the missiles